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bjh · 01-13-2008, 08:03 AM

Since I am fairly new to the show scene I would like some honest input about show breeders that dye their dogs. The YTCA code of ethics says:

7) An exhibitor-member shall not alter a dog’s natural appearance except as provided in the Yorkshire Terrier Standard.

With the YCTA making a change to the standard about color, some of the lighter Yorkies are being disqualified. I know of some Yorkies that are being dyed to hide their ligher silver. I also know that most of the handlers and a lot of the exibitors use a lot of gold/tan caulk to enhance the gold and cover black hairs in the gold. Are these practices common and accepted by all exhibitors? Are there exhibitors that dye the dark (black Yorkies) to make them steel blue. I am just curious because it seems that all is enhancement is detrimental to the breed. I wish everyone could just show their Yorkie 'natural' without all the enhancements.

Sugar's Mom · 01-13-2008, 09:04 AM

i don't feel it's fair to do this and it is strictly against the AKC and UKC show rules. In fact, UKC, you aren't even supposed to use hair gel or hairspray. These people that are dying the coats better make sure AKc doesn't catch them. They are really cracking down on it now that the color standard has changed.

Ladyhawk · 01-13-2008, 03:19 PM

As a sylist I know that if you try to lift pigment to bring a black coat to a steel blue you may very well run into trouble. This is not human hair and the ph is different. You also have to deal with the color of the underlying pigment. Danali is very dark and if she doesn't break in time than I will stop showing her for a while and breed her. I'll put her back in the ring when and if she breaks to a dark steel blue but I wouldn't try to bleach her. As far as dying a lighter dog, I'ver heard it goes on quite a bit.

domesticated08 · 01-13-2008, 03:24 PM

I learn something new everyday here..

yorkiekist · 01-13-2008, 03:28 PM

Dying coat is very common in alot of breeds, not just the Yorkie. Handlers have become experts in this and most judges cant tell.

gypsyqueen · 01-13-2008, 03:29 PM

bio silk carried it before cant even tell if it is used Ive seen dogs that get there teeth straightend people will do anything to win it can get nasty.

yorkiekist · 01-13-2008, 04:35 PM

Funny, I heard of one breeder that had an artificial testicle implanted because the dog only had one. What a huge surprise when the judge felt three testicles!!! Evidentally, the 2nd one dropped and no one noticed. the dog was DQ'd.

Juliet · 01-13-2008, 04:39 PM

I had heard of many handlers or exhibitors in Europe dying their dog coat, it seem like people will go for anything just to win and forgot the sportmanship of a dog shows...sad isn't it... What the point when u do not win in a honest way, u can lie to the world but u can never lie to yourself. When u win in a dishonest way, u will have to ask yourself if u deserve the winning.. and the poor dog being put with the "Chemicals"...

Ines3185lyorkie · 01-13-2008, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

i don't feel it's fair to do this and it is strictly against the AKC and UKC show rules. In fact, UKC, you aren't even supposed to use hair gel or hairspray. These people that are dying the coats better make sure AKc doesn't catch them. They are really cracking down on it now that the color standard has changed.

I find the showing of dogs and all aspects fascinating. I am not planning on showing just like to learn. Can you tell me what the new color standard for yorkies is? I wasn't aware it had changed. Thanks.

yorkiekist · 01-13-2008, 04:46 PM

The new color standard states that all colors like chocolate, parti , blond, white, etc will be DQ'd in the show ring. The standard for the Yorkie is a dark steel blue saddle and shaded tan head and legs. The tail should be a little darker blue than the body.

yoyo27 · 01-13-2008, 04:48 PM

Not sure how they can live with themselves when they do that to the dog. Its not because the dog has won by the real coat. So wouldn't that be cheating?

JeanieK · 01-13-2008, 04:48 PM

And they call that breeding to better the breed? If you have to cheat to win, what is the point of it all.

But then when you consider that judges can be bought, judges will choose a friends lesser dog over a stangers better dog. It all seems pointless to me.

Brooklynn · 01-13-2008, 05:07 PM

I wasn't going to comment on this thread but have to put my 2 cents in....I breed to better the breed as everyone else should. Yes it's wrong to dye a coat but it's done ALOT in all breeds not just yorkies....to me why worry about dying a coat when there are more serious threats to the yorkie breed such as LP and shunts and other health issues with the yorkie being bred "knowingly"!!! To me health, structure and movement are the most important to me and the coat is just icing on the cake! Show exhibitors/breeders need to worry more about health issues than coat JMHO

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Brooklynn · 01-13-2008, 05:43 PM

One more thing....if a show dog was to go all natural then you wouldn't need a top knot, all the coat products as in shampoo, conditionars, combs brushes, flat irons (to staighten the coat when it's in wrappers because it does curl when it's been in wrappers) ect.... So when you prep a show dog that is sort of what you would call enhancements.

kathylynch · 01-13-2008, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I wasn't going to comment on this thread but have to put my 2 cents in....I breed to better the breed as everyone else should. Yes it's wrong to dye a coat but it's done ALOT in all breeds not just yorkies....to me why worry about dying a coat when there are more serious threats to the yorkie breed such as LP and shunts and other health issues with the yorkie being bred "knowingly"!!! To me health, structure and movement are the most important to me and the coat is just icing on the cake! Show exhibitors/breeders need to worry more about health issues than coat JMHO

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Hi Donna,
I agree with you all the way. HEALTH structure movement all should be in the top ranking not the color of the coat. Without health we will loose
our breed. And breeders need to start caring for the health of the yorkies
first and foremost!!!! the color is just the icing on the cake!!!

01-13-2008, 08:03 AM	#1
bjh Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Warren, Texas Posts: 2,602	Dying Yorkies Since I am fairly new to the show scene I would like some honest input about show breeders that dye their dogs. The YTCA code of ethics says: 7) An exhibitor-member shall not alter a dog’s natural appearance except as provided in the Yorkshire Terrier Standard. With the YCTA making a change to the standard about color, some of the lighter Yorkies are being disqualified. I know of some Yorkies that are being dyed to hide their ligher silver. I also know that most of the handlers and a lot of the exibitors use a lot of gold/tan caulk to enhance the gold and cover black hairs in the gold. Are these practices common and accepted by all exhibitors? Are there exhibitors that dye the dark (black Yorkies) to make them steel blue. I am just curious because it seems that all is enhancement is detrimental to the breed. I wish everyone could just show their Yorkie 'natural' without all the enhancements.

01-13-2008, 09:04 AM	#2
Sugar's Mom Donating YT 7000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 7,383	i don't feel it's fair to do this and it is strictly against the AKC and UKC show rules. In fact, UKC, you aren't even supposed to use hair gel or hairspray. These people that are dying the coats better make sure AKc doesn't catch them. They are really cracking down on it now that the color standard has changed. __________________ Dee and all the Pretty Babies!!!!!!!! at deeslilyorkshireterriers

01-13-2008, 03:19 PM	#3
Ladyhawk YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,305	As a sylist I know that if you try to lift pigment to bring a black coat to a steel blue you may very well run into trouble. This is not human hair and the ph is different. You also have to deal with the color of the underlying pigment. Danali is very dark and if she doesn't break in time than I will stop showing her for a while and breed her. I'll put her back in the ring when and if she breaks to a dark steel blue but I wouldn't try to bleach her. As far as dying a lighter dog, I'ver heard it goes on quite a bit. __________________ Tami ladyhawkyorkies.com

01-13-2008, 03:29 PM	#6
gypsyqueen Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: las vegas Posts: 647	color enhancing shampoo bio silk carried it before cant even tell if it is used Ive seen dogs that get there teeth straightend people will do anything to win it can get nasty.

01-13-2008, 04:48 PM	#11
yoyo27 Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,636	Not sure how they can live with themselves when they do that to the dog. Its not because the dog has won by the real coat. So wouldn't that be cheating? __________________ Zoie, Calie & Cinnamon :I love: my little ones http://www.dogster.com/dogs/657546

01-13-2008, 03:24 PM	#4
domesticated08 Lovin' every minute Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,132	I learn something new everyday here..

01-13-2008, 03:28 PM	#5
yorkiekist YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,995	Dying coat is very common in alot of breeds, not just the Yorkie. Handlers have become experts in this and most judges cant tell.

01-13-2008, 04:35 PM	#7
yorkiekist YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,995	Funny, I heard of one breeder that had an artificial testicle implanted because the dog only had one. What a huge surprise when the judge felt three testicles!!! Evidentally, the 2nd one dropped and no one noticed. the dog was DQ'd.

01-13-2008, 04:39 PM	#8
Juliet Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 45	I had heard of many handlers or exhibitors in Europe dying their dog coat, it seem like people will go for anything just to win and forgot the sportmanship of a dog shows...sad isn't it... What the point when u do not win in a honest way, u can lie to the world but u can never lie to yourself. When u win in a dishonest way, u will have to ask yourself if u deserve the winning.. and the poor dog being put with the "Chemicals"...

01-13-2008, 04:46 PM	#10
yorkiekist YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,995	The new color standard states that all colors like chocolate, parti , blond, white, etc will be DQ'd in the show ring. The standard for the Yorkie is a dark steel blue saddle and shaded tan head and legs. The tail should be a little darker blue than the body.

01-13-2008, 04:48 PM	#12
JeanieK Donating YT 6000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa Posts: 7,660	And they call that breeding to better the breed? If you have to cheat to win, what is the point of it all. But then when you consider that judges can be bought, judges will choose a friends lesser dog over a stangers better dog. It all seems pointless to me. __________________ Ollie Chachi Hallie Harlie & Me CircleKRanchYorkies.com]

01-13-2008, 05:07 PM	#13
Brooklynn YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,455	I wasn't going to comment on this thread but have to put my 2 cents in....I breed to better the breed as everyone else should. Yes it's wrong to dye a coat but it's done ALOT in all breeds not just yorkies....to me why worry about dying a coat when there are more serious threats to the yorkie breed such as LP and shunts and other health issues with the yorkie being bred "knowingly"!!! To me health, structure and movement are the most important to me and the coat is just icing on the cake! Show exhibitors/breeders need to worry more about health issues than coat JMHO Donna Bird Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

01-13-2008, 05:43 PM	#14
Brooklynn YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,455	One more thing....if a show dog was to go all natural then you wouldn't need a top knot, all the coat products as in shampoo, conditionars, combs brushes, flat irons (to staighten the coat when it's in wrappers because it does curl when it's been in wrappers) ect.... So when you prep a show dog that is sort of what you would call enhancements.