Dying Yorkies

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by Yelena

Thank you!
But I'm still confused...
Isn't it being "light steel" is NOT the reason to be SUCM?
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"Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan "
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Just because it's light steel doesn't mean the dog should be disqualified...it's still steel! (Although dark steel is preferable)

"Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above."

The "described above" mentioned is:

"BLUE: Is a dark steel blue, not a silver blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. "

On this basis with some judges anything "light steel" would be cause for DQ.

[Yelena]

Originally Posted by jencar98

"...On this basis with some judges anything "light steel" would be cause for DQ.

Geeez....
now I understand!
I'll take back my words about not thinking about dying the coat!!

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by bjh

This post is not about bad toplines, bad knees, bad rears, etc. The point of starting this post was to find out if it is ethical to dye your dog so it can become a champion and be a good representative of the breed. We should all be breeding for sound dogs. It is very difficult to get everything in one package.
I guess what bothers me is that the YT standard does focus too much on color. I see some beautiful silver blue Yorkies and to me they are perfectly acceptable but not according to the standard. I did not start this post to get anyone upset but just to find out what the general opinion is among show breeders about dying dogs. I guess it is o.k. if you think you have a sound dog. LOL

I understand what you were asking Dying a dog is wrong but the fact is it's done and will be done. But again that's very minor compared to what else is brought in the ring aka bad structure, bad toplines, bad rears ect....the point I tried to make is dying is not as deterimental to the breed as what I've brought to this thread. Dying will be done as it has been for a long time not only in yorkies but other breeds. If dying a dog was the worse thing being brought in the ring then we'd have a good topic persay....Health and other major faults should be addressed more so than dying the coat.
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[Yelena]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Dying a dog is wrong

From the beginning I thought so too, I thought the ppl who is dying coat is changing tricolor or so, not light to dark...
I think DQ for colour shade is unheard-of and awful!

[Yelena]

Originally Posted by Yelena

I think DQ for colour shade is unheard-of and awful!

I'm talking about that to the breeders & judges all over the world...
Oh well...
DQ 4colour shade!?...

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Yelena

I'm talking about that to the breeders & judges all over the world...
Oh well...
DQ 4colour shade!?...

We are just going to have to live with the DQ for another 5 years and deal with it the best way we can. Our standard does say a "dark" steel blue I don't have a problem with a judge DQ'ing a almost silver white yorkie at all but to DQ a puppy or young adult that is where my problem lies with the DQ. But I'll live with it for as long as I have too and concentrate on breeding to the breed standard as best as one can. But dying a coat is minimual to the other issues facing our breed.
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

We are just going to have to live with the DQ for another 5 years and deal with it the best way we can. Our standard does say a "dark" steel blue I don't have a problem with a judge DQ'ing a almost silver white yorkie at all but to DQ a puppy or young adult that is where my problem lies with the DQ. But I'll live with it for as long as I have too and concentrate on breeding to the breed standard as best as one can. But dying a coat is minimual to the other issues facing our breed.
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

That is also where my problem lies. Didn't I read something on the YTCA site that dogs younger than three should not be Dq'd due to the way it takes so long for some coats to change?

[yorkiekist]

I think its up to the judges interpretation of the new Dq. Mr Usherwood considers any dog over 12 months to be an adult and therefore will DQ color based on that alone. IMO, I think he has gone waaaaaay to the extreme on this DQ thing. He has DQ'd more dogs than any other judge since Oct and has DQ'd more dogs in one show than any other judge. He also will DQ one dog and not another and they are the exact same color and approx age.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

I think its up to the judges interpretation of the new Dq. Mr Usherwood considers any dog over 12 months to be an adult and therefore will DQ color based on that alone. IMO, I think he has gone waaaaaay to the extreme on this DQ thing. He has DQ'd more dogs than any other judge since Oct and has DQ'd more dogs in one show than any other judge. He also will DQ one dog and not another and they are the exact same color and approx age.

It's not only a judges interpretation of color and to DQ but exhibitors also interpute differently so color can be very subjective. So that is why I feel when a judge DQ's I will take it upon a case by case as to if I will show to that particular judge. If a judge DQ's a puppy or young adult then I can tell you now I won't enter under that judge but if a judge DQ's a very light silver dog and doesn't look to be at breed standard and I'm talking structuraly I would probably show to that judge but if that judge DQ's a light silver yorkie and puts up a yorkie that is not sound then I won't show to that judge because I don't do it now!

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[yorkiekist]

Some of these judges are putting waaaaaaaay too much emphasis on color shades and dont even look at structure and conformation. This is a toy terrier first and foremost, not a rag doll that can grow gorgeous silk hair. Some of these judges are forgetting the history and developement of this breed. Did all their knowledge of this breed suddenly fly out the window because of this new DQ in the standard? I think some are forgetting how long it takes to grow a beautiful adult coat by DQing at only 12 months of age. Give me great movement, dead level toplines and then top it off with gorgeous shaded blue and tan silk.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Some of these judges are putting waaaaaaaay too much emphasis on color shades and dont even look at structure and conformation. This is a toy terrier first and foremost, not a rag doll that can grow gorgeous silk hair. Some of these judges are forgetting the history and developement of this breed. Did all their knowledge of this breed suddenly fly out the window because of this new DQ in the standard? I think some are forgetting how long it takes to grow a beautiful adult coat by DQing at only 12 months of age. Give me great movement, dead level toplines and then top it off with gorgeous shaded blue and tan silk.

I think most judges that have judged a long time and with the standard clarification judging will go as it has before in the past. Of course you'll have those judges that will not take the clarification into consideration. But again as I've stated many many times in this thread LOL....health, structure/movement, level top lines, good ear sets and good bites are more important to me than color but let me clarify myself I do try and obtain that dark steel blue but a medium blue is ok with me...
Donna Bird

[BellieBoo]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

i don't feel it's fair to do this and it is strictly against the AKC and UKC show rules. In fact, UKC, you aren't even supposed to use hair gel or hairspray. These people that are dying the coats better make sure AKc doesn't catch them. They are really cracking down on it now that the color standard has changed.

just out of curiosity..what is the new color standard?, i just went on the AKC website it still says blue and tan, steel blue, not silver, etc...

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by BellieBoo

just out of curiosity..what is the new color standard?, i just went on the AKC website it still says blue and tan, steel blue, not silver, etc...

The standard hasn't changed on the color. It just added a DQ for what is considered not standard color in the show ring.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers