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04-14-2014, 12:48 AM | #1 |
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| People Shampoo on Yorkies? I've been using Frederic Fekkai shampoo/conditioner on Strudel and WOW it's really been amazing. It's the colour treated hair formula (pink) and its really brought out the shine, softness and brightness of his blonde and silver streaks - and the smell! Mommy and strudel smell alike now. I just want to know if its bad to use people shampoo on dogs? I figure what's good for him is good for me but I don't want to irritate his skin or nose not knowingly. Has anyone ever used human hair products on their lil girl/boy?
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04-14-2014, 04:56 AM | #2 |
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| I have heard of people using human conditioner in dogs, but I'd be careful about shampoo. Dogs have a different pH than us, and they need a more moisturizing shampoo.
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04-14-2014, 05:05 AM | #3 |
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| Here is something written by a show breeder of Coton de Tulears. The whole thing about grooming is interesting, but this part addresses the pH issue. "Some people use “people” shampoo for their dogs, and I've even heard of some who use dish washing liquid. Both are much too harsh for your dog's skin and can cause skin and coat problems in the future. While there are some products made for people that are very mild (such as baby shampoos), there is still a difference in the "pH" of the products. The pH is a measure of the acidity or alkalinity of the products. The pH of dog shampoo is two points different than people shampoo, which is a huge difference. Using products made for people can really dry out a dog's coat. In the long-run, it's cheaper to buy a high quality dog shampoo and dilute it according to the label instructions. I recommend the Vellus Show Shampoo and/or the Vellus Clarifying Shampoo, and the Vellus Show Conditioning Concentrate. Alternately I use the All Systems Super Cleaning and Conditioning Shampoo or the Les Poochs Pooch Bright Shampoo. It is best to rotate shampoos occasionally to prevent product buildup. If you are sensitive to fragrance, Les Poochs makes a wonderful fragrance-free shampoo, Botanique Hypoallergenic Shampoo. There are many excellent shampoos/conditioners on the market that are suitable for the Coton coat. I have mentioned just a few of my favorites. I suggest avoiding any product that contains lanolin." Bathing Grooming Coton de Tulear
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04-14-2014, 07:56 AM | #4 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | Similar to what Lisa is saying, I've heard that the different pH's can cause skin imbalances for dogs.
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04-14-2014, 08:09 AM | #5 |
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| I'd be scared to try it myself. I don't know why this worries me but I've always been too scared the large skin surface of the dog would absorb too much of something that their tiny bodies shouldn't have, as I don't know what is in human shampoos in the way of fragrances or alcohol, etc.. And then there is the issue of the pH Lisa and Ann mentioned I didn't even know about. Anything that could start a dog itching or having skin irritation is anathema to me. My Tibbe had horrible itching sessions last year and I never would take a chance any grooming product made for humans might not "agree" with his skin, hair of system.
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04-14-2014, 08:39 AM | #6 |
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| I use people shampoo and conditioner and have used it for years. I occasionally use dog products too. I always use conditioner afterwards and rinse well. I figure the shampoo isn't on them long enough to cause any harm. actually, when I use dog products, I noticed flaking, where with the people products I don't have that problem. I tend to use products that contain coconut oil, and avoid tea tree oil. Dawn dish detergent is used by vets in cleaning up wildfowl that have been coated in oil from oil spills, and is recommended by many for a quick flea knock out for those with flea problems. Baby shampoo is not a mild type of shampoo, it was formulated to remove 'cradle cap' from infant hair/scalp.
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04-14-2014, 04:49 PM | #7 |
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| I use dog shampoo and people conditioner on Lola. I use strawberry vo5 after shampooing her, I don't rinse it all the way out. Then for brushing I use a blob of deep conditioner from Sally's mixed with a lot of water in a spray bottle. I avoid heavy fragrances, silicones, and sulfates. I've seen some people with beautiful dogs say they use pantene. |
04-14-2014, 06:18 PM | #8 |
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| I've used Johnsons Baby for many years on working dogs, no problem, but Yorkies are different, they get more frequent baths so could be affected by the pH factor |
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The acid mantle can also be defined as the relative pH balance of the skin. The pH scale ranges from 0 to 14, with levels less than 6.4 considered high acidity, and levels more than 6.4 considered high alkalinity. The normal range of skin pH levels for humans is 5.2 to 6.2, which means it tends to be on the acidic side, and shampoos and skin products are formulated specifically to maintain this balance. Now consider the relative pH balance for dogs. Depending on breed, gender, climate, and the anatomical size on the dog, the pH levels range from 5.5 to 7.5, tending toward a more alkaline concentration. Therefore, if a shampoo that is formulated for human skin is used on a dog, the dog's acid mantle will be disrupted, creating an environment where bacteria, parasites, and viruses can run rampant. Unknowingly, many pet owners will repeat washings of their dogs because of the smell caused by a proliferation of bacteria, making the problem worse as the skin's acid mantle/pH level becomes more imbalanced. Additionally, if the shampoo makes the skin feel dry, your dog will scratch at its skin, creating abrasions for bacteria to invade. It quickly becomes a vicious cycle. Maintaining Your Dog's Skin pH | petMD
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04-15-2014, 08:32 PM | #10 |
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| Thanks for all the feedback, I will have to hunt down a good doggie shampoo. I haven't noticed any itching,flaking,bad smells and definitely no buggies (eww!) I give him a bath every other week just like I was when using a shampoo for dogs. Don't want to hurt him though!! Nice to see some other people who use people products boy ill miss that grapefruity smell haha! I wish Frederic Fekkai or Kerastasse made pet products!
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