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07-23-2012, 05:06 AM | #1 |
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| Harness Equivalent to Pinch Collar The only "restraint" I've had great success with for training dogs is the pinch collar. With it I've trained a 10-year-old Yorkie, who barked and pulled her whole life, to walk perfectly along your side. I also trained a toy poodle with a pinch collar from the start. I realize that collars of any kind when used with a leash are strongly discouraged with Yorkies because of the risk of tracheal collapse. It is also nice to be able to pull your dog to safety if you have to. When I used to use a harness on the 10-year-old Yorkie, I once lifted her into my arms to save her from a silent attack from a large dog in someone's front yard. It is my opinion that the pinch collar works much like a bridle does for a horse. It helps give the dog direction unlike just a regular collar or harness. Is there a harness that is safe that works in the same (or similar) way to the pinch collar? I am interested in the Halti Dog Harness, but they don't make one small enough for me to use on my Yorkie. She starts obedience school next weekend. I want to choose and start using the "walking and training setup" I intend to use for her whole life. I'd like to avoid starting her training with a pinch collar, only to switch to a harness when she is big enough. I want to be consistent in her training. Mishka is just short of 10 inches around her girth. Can anyone suggest a harness that will fit her? |
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07-23-2012, 05:45 AM | #2 |
My furkids Donating Member | welcome to YT! I wouldn't be using a pinch collar on a small dog. I know people use them on large breeds ie: boxers, rotties, pits, etc....but NEVER a small breed. I brought my girls for training and they wanted me to use a training collar, aka choke collar...I told her I was uncomfortable with that and used their harness...
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07-23-2012, 05:53 AM | #3 |
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| I think any harness that attaches at the center of the chest would work in the way I want. But I have yet to find one small enough |
07-23-2012, 05:55 AM | #4 |
My furkids Donating Member | Chattiesmom (yt member) makes front lead harnesses...I bought 2 of them from her...only thing with them..the leash is always getting under their front legs.
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07-23-2012, 06:00 AM | #5 |
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| I think the thing to constantly remember is that a Yorkie is NOT like other dogs...I feel safe saying this here...they are WAY smarter... Someone once told me that the main objective in a Yorkies life is to 'train' their owner- That said, I think making clear what you want is all thats needed to train- A couple years ago, I was annoyed that Chance wasn't 'listening' as he did when he was younger- I took him to a local Petco to sign him up for a refresher obedience course... The girl assessed him with commands- Which he followed perfectly- in military fashion- As if to say to me...HA!! |
07-23-2012, 06:03 AM | #6 |
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| YT member Chattiesmom makes custom harnesses.
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07-23-2012, 06:48 AM | #7 |
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| Well I went ahead and ordered this: Walk Your Dog With Love No-Pull Front Attachment Harness I'm not bad at sewing myself. I'll just fold down the extra material and put in some stitches. When she gets bigger I'll undo the stitches so the harness returns to "factory settings." |
07-30-2012, 12:17 PM | #8 |
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| I am assuming you mean a "choke" collar when you say pinch collar? I have trained larger dogs with a choke collar. The collar was always loose except when a quick correction was needed to be made. I have found that the harnesses that have the D ring further down the back are far less effective than a harness that has the D ring further up the back of the neck. I used the Puppia step in vest harness when Gracie was a puppy. The D ring was up high and a quick pull would get her attention enough to get her back in a sit if she started pulling during training. She was so small as a puppy that she could easily get out of any kind of strap harness. The concept of a quick pull on the harness is the same as with the collar and is pretty effective. I would never put any kind of collar on a Yorkie for training. Gracie now uses Chattiesmom's silk step in harness. She is very good on a walk and I rarely need to get her attention anymore. |
07-31-2012, 02:02 PM | #9 | |
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I like pinch collars better than choke collars, for a few reasons, but still would never use either. Especially on a small dog. Here is a pinch collar:
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07-31-2012, 02:45 PM | #10 |
Donating YT 500 Club Member | OMG...I can't even imagine using that collar on a yorkie...looks like some sort of medieval torture device.
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07-31-2012, 03:25 PM | #11 |
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| I have seen them used on some extremely difficult cases with very big dogs. Never in ordinary training. |
07-31-2012, 03:36 PM | #12 |
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| Its a herm spince collar aka pibch collar...abd its extremely unwise to use with a yorkie. I made the mistake of using one from the advise of a trainer with my schnorkie who screamed and was then terrified of collars period. Try a front lead "collar" which you can use with a harbess. ATTACH THE leasg to the harness and have a separate leasg for the front lead collar gentle direct with both. Eventually you only need yhe harbess.harness To be honesy I found the use of effort was much more effective than varying pain causing "training" devices.
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07-31-2012, 06:03 PM | #13 |
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07-31-2012, 09:53 PM | #14 |
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| I did find a front leading harness and tried to use it at puppy classes. It was quickly rejected by my trainer. She made a good point. The one I had chosen didn't fit her well and that type puts pressure on their sensitive underarms. I'm going to try just a regular collar and leash to start. My trainer says she has trained Yorkies before and knows about the trachea issues, but has never had any of them collapse. She says that if you train your Yorkie to walk and respond to you, it won't pull and do other behaviors on leash that would hurt its trachea. As far as needing a harness to save your Yorkie from a dangerous situation--you could argue that you just shouldn't walk in areas where you have to worry about that. After training with this woman and using her methods on our ten year old female Yorkie (Penny) for years, I trust her opinion. Penny used to be a puller and barker but now she walks perfectly on a leash and collar. We took Mishka on her first walk today and you would have thought she had been going on walks for years! She wasn't phased by pedestrians, motorcycles, bicycles, etc. She walked perfectly by my side and carried a stick she found with her most of the way. She didn't bark once, just made happy panting/talking noises. She peed in the grass the instant I stopped walking and said "go peepee." She also obeyed "sit" and "down," which are new tricks for her. I'm so proud of her! I think she'll do fine on a plain collar and leash. Every dog has different needs and harnesses certainly have their benefits. I think a collar and leash will work best for my situation, but I have nothing against the use of harnesses. |
08-01-2012, 12:08 AM | #15 |
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| You should never use a collar to walk a yorkie. Try adding some paddibg to the harness or having one custom fitted. Some trainers aren't truely qualified.
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