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Princessyorkies · 01-24-2006, 06:19 AM

I think if you reread the article it is not Danvill, IL.......but Danville, Ohio.
See how things get misunderstood. Facts first........
By the way Jake I think you did a good thing on here and hats off to you......

StewiesMom · 01-24-2006, 06:22 AM

I guess I was right about the small town thing regardless as FireFish pointed out, but Mount Vernon (the newspaper) and Danville are both close cities in Southern IL as well.

Either way I think it was rude for JAKE to attack me for saying the town is small and ESPECIALLY Bettyeanne because she is one of the nicest people on this site (I'm not). She obviously does think that the dogs look not taken care of or she wouldn't have stated it.
I'm done defending myself!

BamaFan121s · 01-24-2006, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Princessyorkies

Well you tell me where the standards are that you should only breed 5 pound and up yorkies...... I know several breeders and they see no problem with breeding under 5 pounds, so where do you draw the line? ...I do plan on sticking around here because there is some good topics on here but it's people like those downing this lady that shows stupidity. Sometimes opinions should be kept to yourself or even talked about with others like you all have done here but do you need to go to the extremes of calling her unrepitable? And a bad breeder.....no you do not. And this is my opinion.

I am not sure what 'standard' you are talking about for appropriate 'breeding weight'....common sense and ethics maybe? As for the breeders you know that see no problem on breeding this size as a standard practice, God have mercy on their soul and the dogs they do this to.
Please do stick around and you will quickly learn why so many feel so strongly against breeding smaller dogs. And just a hint, you may want to reconsider your wording next time and refrain from telling members here that we show stupidity or I'm afraid your stay may end up being a short one. Talk about being to quick to judge...

Princessyorkies · 01-24-2006, 06:45 AM

When I talked about stupidity........Here is what I am saying in my opinion......It is not right to down anyone on any topic if you do not know them and know what they stand for..How can anyone using common sence judge someone for something they know nothing about?
I guess if my stay is or could be a short one then so be it. I would venture to say then that this is a yorkie chat room that would be bias and I don't think that is the case. As I say everyone has their own opinion and this is mine.
You say this Jake was rude for attaching you....well what about all you guys attaching that lady Renotta who you know nothing about...was that also rude?
I am not trying to actually down anyone here I just think you all should think about what your saying and doing to a lady you have no clue about. I can not and will not defend anyone so to speak since I don't know anyone of these people but I just think everyone should have a loving and caring heart and think about how they would feel in a situation like this if they were being attached..
Yorkie people either being breeders or just lovers of the bred should all try and unite and help each other out not attach each other. Everyone seems to have their own standards and some may think it is wrong while others think it is right. Is there one breeding standard? No...I think it is up to what that individual thinks since they are the only ones who actually really know their own dogs.
Can't all yorkie owners help each other.........I would hope and pray they could and would.

BamaFan121s · 01-24-2006, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Princessyorkies

When I talked about stupidity........Here is what I am saying in my opinion......It is not right to down anyone on any topic if you do not know them and know what they stand for..How can anyone using common sence judge someone for something they know nothing about?
...You say this Jake was rude for attaching you....well what about all you guys attaching that lady Renotta who you know nothing about...was that also rude?

I can only speak for myself, not others here, but no, you are correct, I don't know this lady and I honestly don't know what type of person she is or what she stands for. But to say that people are judging something they know nothing about is ridiculous. Do you know how many breeders, well seasoned and very respected breeders, are members here? Maybe you should ask them for their opinion on breeding 4 pound females. I know nothing of this lady's politics or grooming practices at all, but I know that the health risk involved in breeding such a small size female are great and should not be taken lightly and avoided at all costs--I know that many, if not most, here agree. I realize there are some breeders that don't feel this way...I think you have gotten a good taste of how many here feel about that now. I realize that there are also some members here who would argue your point with you...trust me, I'm sure that will be evident soon.
I can't change your mind anymore than I can hers about this, and honestly, it's really not my place to, nor do I have the energy or desire to try. I hate to start off on the wrong foot with you, but I am being honest.
And BTW, I have not yet made a comment about Jake attacking me...I think you have me confused with someone else.

txshopper73 · 01-24-2006, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Princessyorkies

I am not trying to actually down anyone here I just think you all should think about what your saying and doing to a lady you have no clue about.

WOW! Wasn't this thread buried some pages back??? Shocked to see it resurface again.

What I have seen on this thread is people giving their opinions on what they saw. This has been done many times in good and bad.

It's nice that some people have come here to clarify what they saw or know of this breeder. However, since it is just an opinion and everyone is entitled to that and according to some, if it is an opinion, it's not defamation so can't everyone just move on???

yorkiemom1970 · 01-24-2006, 10:41 AM

Oh Wow, how did I miss this?

I am not going to judge the lady concerning this thread. I am only going to voice my opinion as a breeder for many years of this lovely breed. Intentionallly breeding any female whose weight is below 5 lbs is unethical. The reason being is you must put yourself in that tiny female's position. The strain it takes on their little body. I've never said it like this before but to get a point across, imagine forcing a small woman who weighs about 90 lbs to carry and deliver triplets over and over. Can you imagine the strain on her back? The wear and pressure on her knees and ankles? The constant c-secs she probably will have due to not having a large enough pelvic area. Not to mention the fact that she was forced to do it. I just don't get it and I never will. I like small yorkies. But I do not agree with others intentional breeding of small females. You can easily get small yorkies from a nice 5-7 lb dam paired with a smaller sire. This has been my experience anyway. But the sad reality is that money talks and as long as their are people that this doesn't bother, then there are always going to be small females being bred.

I think alot of you know that I had an accidental breeding of my small girl who was not in my program many yrs ago. The look on her face when she could not have those babies was devastating. She was rushed in for a c-sec and she was in terrible pain afterwards while trying to nurse the babies she should have never had.
She became pregnant through the opening for the tail in her fancy pants which are protective panties for females in heat. They are no more "protective" than not having them on at all. Having been through this I can speak for myself and my own experience when I say that it really isn't ethical to breed a tiny female. When this happened to my girl, I must say, that I did not feel ethical at all. I felt ashamed for what I had allowed to happen. I'm older and wiser now and I learned this valuable lesson the hard way.

BamaFan121s · 01-24-2006, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by fasteddie

June Bug is the small “tea cup” Yorkie purchased from Renotta and Kevin Oliver, Rabbit Ridge Road, by Ms. “Jake” Dennis this past weekend for the occasion. Dennis flew in from California to make the purchase and spent the night with the Olivers.

To sum up where everyone is getting this indication...please see the first post. Please do not insult the intelligence of the members of this board.

Carters Mom · 01-24-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

To sum up where everyone is getting this indication...please see the first post. Please do not insult the intelligence of the members of this board.

Ditto on everything you've said today.

jdynnis · 01-24-2006, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by StewiesMom

I guess I was right about the small town thing regardless as FireFish pointed out, but Mount Vernon (the newspaper) and Danville are both close cities in Southern IL as well.

Either way I think it was rude for JAKE to attack me for saying the town is small and ESPECIALLY Bettyeanne because she is one of the nicest people on this site (I'm not). She obviously does think that the dogs look not taken care of or she wouldn't have stated it.
I'm done defending myself!

I NEVER said any town was small.I am from a small town. I think You are confusing me with the the ohio reporter?? (whom I never spoke with. ) or confusing me with one of these yorkie veterans ? I had nothing to do with that article. Go back to the first page and see. THIS IS HOW PROBLEMS ARE STARTED - I came here only to defend Renotta. And hats off to a small town getting recognition! It's about time! Isn't life about making good in this world? I think too many of you here are really focused on the negatives... 4lbs 5 lbs? cmon GET OVER IT. Renotta does put ANY dogs in danger - and Doesn't every breeder play a role as G-d here? You all take risks. Some of you are awesome at what you do. It amazes me how many are on here just stirring the pot. Aren't you embarrassed? And you do not even bother to get your info straight. Like this very comment you left of accusing me of saying something that is NOT quoted by me.

In closing thank you to everyone who took the time to email me to send Kudos. Thank you!! be well and good luck.

StewiesMom · 01-24-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jdynnis

I NEVER said any town was small.I am from a small town. I think You are confusing me with the the ohio reporter?? (whom I never spoke with. ) or confusing me with one of these yorkie veterans ? I had nothing to do with that article. Go back to the first page and see. THIS IS HOW PROBLEMS ARE STARTED - I came here only to defend Renotta. And hats off to a small town getting recognition! It's about time! Isn't life about making good in this world? I think too many of you here are really focused on the negatives... 4lbs 5 lbs? cmon GET OVER IT. Renotta does put ANY dogs in danger - and Doesn't every breeder play a role as G-d here? You all take risks. Some of you are awesome at what you do. It amazes me how many are on here just stirring the pot. Aren't you embarrassed? And you do not even bother to get your info straight. Like this very comment you left of accusing me of saying something that is NOT quoted by me.

In closing thank you to everyone who took the time to email me to send Kudos. Thank you!! be well and good luck.

You're right. You didn't call any town small. I did. and so did Firefish (like I indicated in my post). maybe you're the one who is confused. I'm not confusing anyone with anyone; the only thing I confused is danville ohio with danville illinois and mt. vernon ohio with mt. vernon illinois.

Princessyorkies · 01-24-2006, 11:44 AM

I can only imagine since the reporter for that news paper got other things wrong then he must have gotten that wrong also. I emailed from her web site she does not even live in Danville, Ohio, and he spelled Dennis instead of Dynnis. So if people are so concerned and want to know the facts why dont they email Renotta at Yorkie City and find out the truth???
If we would all do this maybe none of this would have ever got spoken bad about.

alaskayorkie · 01-24-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Princessyorkies

There is noting in there that says this Jake purchased this June Bug ( yorkie) for this occasion, so where did that come from?.

From the second paragraph of the article. Jake has since said that she'd been looking for a blonde Yorkie for years, but my comment was based on the article. That's where it came from.

DANVILLE — A Knox County-bred Yorkshire Terrier made its appearance on the red carpet Monday night at the Golden Globe Awards.

June Bug is the small “tea cup” Yorkie PURCHASED from Renotta and Kevin Oliver, Rabbit Ridge Road, by Ms. “Jake” Dennis this past weekend FOR THE OCCASION. Dennis flew in from California to make the purchase and spent the night with the Olivers.

Princessyorkies · 01-24-2006, 04:45 PM

I would like to ask for my own information if someone can tell me why this news article was posted on here in ther first place.....
Can someone give me an answer???
This would help me understand the purpose and all possibly.
Thanks

yorkiedreamer · 01-24-2006, 05:04 PM

I wonder how anyone could read a newspaper article, look at a website & conclude such negatives about a person they have never met, been a customer of, spoken to or even been an aquaintance to?? Is it fair or ethical to make hurtful & damaging statements about a person & her business without any firsthand knowlege?
This is what some have done in this situation and I believe it is not only wrong but also ridiculous! To look at a newspaper story that was meant to celebrate something wonderful for the Oliver's and their town & choose to pick apart the article, pick apart her website/dogs, & then finishing the job by picking apart Renotta & her integrity on an open forum IS defamation...IMO!
I actually do know Renotta, and know that her dogs are healthy, well cared for & beautiful too! She takes pride in her yorkies & it shows......she should be happy about the recognition she's gotten!
My reason for writing this is only in hopes that some of you would think before you decide to drag someone thru the mud......I am sure you would expect the same consideration were the tables turned. And I agree with Princessyorkies....different breeders have different opinions,different practices,different experiences......if you have questions, why dont you talk with Renotta directly to get some facts. As far as opinions go, I think that Yorkiemom1970 shared her opinion & experience in a helpful way....which is what I thought Yorkietalk is supposed to be! Of course people will have different thoughts & opinions & certainly not always agree with one another but this can't this be done in a grown-up way?

01-24-2006, 06:19 AM	#31
Princessyorkies Owned by my Furbabies Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,481	Read the article I think if you reread the article it is not Danvill, IL.......but Danville, Ohio. See how things get misunderstood. Facts first........ By the way Jake I think you did a good thing on here and hats off to you......

01-24-2006, 06:22 AM	#32
StewiesMom Stewie Rox the Sox Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago (Bridgeport) Posts: 6,290	I guess I was right about the small town thing regardless as FireFish pointed out, but Mount Vernon (the newspaper) and Danville are both close cities in Southern IL as well. Either way I think it was rude for JAKE to attack me for saying the town is small and ESPECIALLY Bettyeanne because she is one of the nicest people on this site (I'm not). She obviously does think that the dogs look not taken care of or she wouldn't have stated it. I'm done defending myself! __________________ Kristy & Stewie

01-24-2006, 06:45 AM	#34
Princessyorkies Owned by my Furbabies Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,481	Here's the thing When I talked about stupidity........Here is what I am saying in my opinion......It is not right to down anyone on any topic if you do not know them and know what they stand for..How can anyone using common sence judge someone for something they know nothing about? I guess if my stay is or could be a short one then so be it. I would venture to say then that this is a yorkie chat room that would be bias and I don't think that is the case. As I say everyone has their own opinion and this is mine. You say this Jake was rude for attaching you....well what about all you guys attaching that lady Renotta who you know nothing about...was that also rude? I am not trying to actually down anyone here I just think you all should think about what your saying and doing to a lady you have no clue about. I can not and will not defend anyone so to speak since I don't know anyone of these people but I just think everyone should have a loving and caring heart and think about how they would feel in a situation like this if they were being attached.. Yorkie people either being breeders or just lovers of the bred should all try and unite and help each other out not attach each other. Everyone seems to have their own standards and some may think it is wrong while others think it is right. Is there one breeding standard? No...I think it is up to what that individual thinks since they are the only ones who actually really know their own dogs. Can't all yorkie owners help each other.........I would hope and pray they could and would.

01-24-2006, 11:44 AM	#42
Princessyorkies Owned by my Furbabies Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,481	Only Imagine I can only imagine since the reporter for that news paper got other things wrong then he must have gotten that wrong also. I emailed from her web site she does not even live in Danville, Ohio, and he spelled Dennis instead of Dynnis. So if people are so concerned and want to know the facts why dont they email Renotta at Yorkie City and find out the truth??? If we would all do this maybe none of this would have ever got spoken bad about.

01-24-2006, 04:45 PM	#44
Princessyorkies Owned by my Furbabies Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,481	Question?????? I would like to ask for my own information if someone can tell me why this news article was posted on here in ther first place..... Can someone give me an answer??? This would help me understand the purpose and all possibly. Thanks

01-24-2006, 10:41 AM	#37
yorkiemom1970 No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,947	Oh Wow, how did I miss this? I am not going to judge the lady concerning this thread. I am only going to voice my opinion as a breeder for many years of this lovely breed. Intentionallly breeding any female whose weight is below 5 lbs is unethical. The reason being is you must put yourself in that tiny female's position. The strain it takes on their little body. I've never said it like this before but to get a point across, imagine forcing a small woman who weighs about 90 lbs to carry and deliver triplets over and over. Can you imagine the strain on her back? The wear and pressure on her knees and ankles? The constant c-secs she probably will have due to not having a large enough pelvic area. Not to mention the fact that she was forced to do it. I just don't get it and I never will. I like small yorkies. But I do not agree with others intentional breeding of small females. You can easily get small yorkies from a nice 5-7 lb dam paired with a smaller sire. This has been my experience anyway. But the sad reality is that money talks and as long as their are people that this doesn't bother, then there are always going to be small females being bred. I think alot of you know that I had an accidental breeding of my small girl who was not in my program many yrs ago. The look on her face when she could not have those babies was devastating. She was rushed in for a c-sec and she was in terrible pain afterwards while trying to nurse the babies she should have never had. She became pregnant through the opening for the tail in her fancy pants which are protective panties for females in heat. They are no more "protective" than not having them on at all. Having been through this I can speak for myself and my own experience when I say that it really isn't ethical to breed a tiny female. When this happened to my girl, I must say, that I did not feel ethical at all. I felt ashamed for what I had allowed to happen. I'm older and wiser now and I learned this valuable lesson the hard way.

01-24-2006, 05:04 PM	#45
yorkiedreamer Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: ohio Posts: 11	I wonder how anyone could read a newspaper article, look at a website & conclude such negatives about a person they have never met, been a customer of, spoken to or even been an aquaintance to?? Is it fair or ethical to make hurtful & damaging statements about a person & her business without any firsthand knowlege? This is what some have done in this situation and I believe it is not only wrong but also ridiculous! To look at a newspaper story that was meant to celebrate something wonderful for the Oliver's and their town & choose to pick apart the article, pick apart her website/dogs, & then finishing the job by picking apart Renotta & her integrity on an open forum IS defamation...IMO! I actually do know Renotta, and know that her dogs are healthy, well cared for & beautiful too! She takes pride in her yorkies & it shows......she should be happy about the recognition she's gotten! My reason for writing this is only in hopes that some of you would think before you decide to drag someone thru the mud......I am sure you would expect the same consideration were the tables turned. And I agree with Princessyorkies....different breeders have different opinions,different practices,different experiences......if you have questions, why dont you talk with Renotta directly to get some facts. As far as opinions go, I think that Yorkiemom1970 shared her opinion & experience in a helpful way....which is what I thought Yorkietalk is supposed to be! Of course people will have different thoughts & opinions & certainly not always agree with one another but this can't this be done in a grown-up way?