YTCA Dissolving???

[yipyap]

Sigh, I read the article which Magicgenie posted. Yes, a Very similar problem happened with our local 'club'; the old president set up our first 'website', and when she could not get a group of new officers to do what she wanted, she refused to turn over the website for the new president to use! The poor new 2nd president (who was our first 'newly elected president' in 6 years) had been 'fully endorsed' by this old president. However, when all the new officers did not agree with the old president at board meetings, she acted as if everyone was "turning against traditional ideas". Finally, the top state organization had to step in and tell our 1st president that her old website HAD to be closed. The new officers had given up and had written to State Office asking permission to begin a 'new website', just so they could conduct business! Now, the club is rolling along just fine, but the old president stopped coming to the meetings. It was a rough first year for the 2nd president to go through, but with the support of other officers, things are going smoothly now. It seems like some people who start organizations just cannot step down and let others take over. Hope things will finally be reorganized smoothly for the future YTCA.-- Yipyap

[TxVicki]

I heard about this a few day's ago from someone who used to be a YTCA Member. Yes I agree with Yorkiemom1 not everything is as people state it is. Lot's of stuff goes on behind scenes that people don't know about.

[theporkieyorkie]

It sounds like some house cleaning needs to be done. Politics and egos are getting in the way.

[Bumpy]

Was this the original president involved with Judy Marksbury nighmare, and the changing of the format of yorkiefourm.com.
I felt so sorry for Judy, she did everything in the contract to satisfy Yorkieville200. I hope that chapter in their lives are over,

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Bumpy

Was this the original president involved with Judy Marksbury nighmare, and the changing of the format of yorkiefourm.com.
I felt so sorry for Judy, she did everything in the contract to satisfy Yorkieville200. I hope that chapter in their lives are over,

What does this have to do w/ anything in this thread, and why are you bringing it up again if it was such a nightmare? If someone is asking you post this for them, I wish you'd said no. And btw, this was equally a nightmare for the BUYERS in this situation. They lost a small fortune as the breeder wouldn't refund the deposit even though Max had an eye issue that needed surgery - surgery that the breeder publicly disclosed here, to all. Instead, the buyers were given a partial refund and they suffered the monetary loss, even though they were sold a sick dog. The breeders I've spoken with would've offered a full refund to these buyers, without question.

[David j Edwards]

Thanks for the update.
I am new here. I think that people are getting to self centered. Stop and think why they started this web site in the place and what is for???

[Nancy1999]

I'm just seeing this now, but I want to point out that in any organization there are people that do things wrong and that many can find fault with. There are no organizations filled with people who are perfect. Pointing out that some members of an organization are flawed and coming to the conclusion that the organization is flawed is so illogical, that it screams of jealousy. Not everyone can belong to the YTCA, they try hard to filter people, but people join for the wrong reasons, and the ones who can't get in are often jealous and decide like the fox, that the grapes were sour.

The YTCA is similar to Yorkietalk in that it's a group of people who have one thing in common a love for Yorkies, but look how much we disagree on, does that mean Yorkietalk should disband? Both organizations go through hiccups and the sum of the whole is greater than the parts.

[magicgenie]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I'm just seeing this now, but I want to point out that in any organization there are people that do things wrong and that many can find fault with. There are no organizations filled with people who are perfect. Pointing out that some members of an organization are flawed and coming to the conclusion that the organization is flawed is so illogical, that it screams of jealousy. Not everyone can belong to the YTCA, they try hard to filter people, but people join for the wrong reasons, and the ones who can't get in are often jealous and decide like the fox, that the grapes were sour.

The YTCA is similar to Yorkietalk in that it's a group of people who have one thing in common a love for Yorkies, but look how much we disagree on, does that mean Yorkietalk should disband? Both organizations go through hiccups and the sum of the whole is greater than the parts.

Nancy, this thread is a bit old, but from what I hear from people on the inside, the YTCA is still a pretty unhappy outfit. They're so very political that I'm not convinced it's passion for the breed that's driving them. Some seem much more interested in stroking their own egos, or get a directory listing.
I know some members very well though we have few in my region. I withdrew my application some time back when the membership committee expressed concern that I associate with some breeders of Parti color Yorkhsire Terriers, and that I sometimes don't dock tails. These seemed such trivial things over which to discard a potential member who was actually willing and eager to substantively contribute to the club's objectives.
I don't understand their hatred of Parti breeders. As far as I can tell the Parti cloloring is a natural phenomenon within the breed. Some of my friends breed for Parti color and I'm not willing to disown my friends for sake of a club membership. As for the tail docking, that's just pitiful.
In any case, objections to a membership application are supposed to be made in writing and forwarded to the applicant so that he/she can face their accuser, so to speak. These objections were made on the sly and I gather I wasn't supposed to know about them. Presumably it was an attempt to intimidate my sponsors into withdrawing their support. I chose to withdraw instead, feeling this was kind of creepy.
My thoughts about YTCA members: Some are very upstanding and will knock themselves out to do right by the breed. Several have admitted to me they don't participate in anything the club does and only belong for the directory listing. I know at least one who capitalizes big time on that listing to charge premium prices for mediocre dogs. She has no champions, nobody who would sell her a decent dog, participates in nothing, just pays her $25 member dues every year so that people can find her listing and feel they're getting the best.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

Nancy, this thread is a bit old, but from what I hear from people on the inside, the YTCA is still a pretty unhappy outfit. They're so very political that I'm not convinced it's passion for the breed that's driving them. Some seem much more interested in stroking their own egos, or get a directory listing.
I know some members very well though we have few in my region. I withdrew my application some time back when the membership committee expressed concern that I associate with some breeders of Parti color Yorkhsire Terriers, and that I sometimes don't dock tails. These seemed such trivial things over which to discard a potential member who was actually willing and eager to substantively contribute to the club's objectives.
I don't understand their hatred of Parti breeders. As far as I can tell the Parti cloloring is a natural phenomenon within the breed. Some of my friends breed for Parti color and I'm not willing to disown my friends for sake of a club membership. As for the tail docking, that's just pitiful.
In any case, objections to a membership application are supposed to be made in writing and forwarded to the applicant so that he/she can face their accuser, so to speak. These objections were made on the sly and I gather I wasn't supposed to know about them. Presumably it was an attempt to intimidate my sponsors into withdrawing their support. I chose to withdraw instead, feeling this was kind of creepy.
My thoughts about YTCA members: Some are very upstanding and will knock themselves out to do right by the breed. Several have admitted to me they don't participate in anything the club does and only belong for the directory listing. I know at least one who capitalizes big time on that listing to charge premium prices for mediocre dogs. She has no champions, nobody who would sell her a decent dog, participates in nothing, just pays her $25 member dues every year so that people can find her listing and feel they're getting the best.

Obviously, you don't care that much about standard, you feel like a breeder can pick and choose what traits they like and what they don't like. I believe quite the opposite, if you decide to breed, you should pick a breed where you like the standard and will defend it. Once you start breeding anything you want, you may have a purebred on paper, but you really don't have a purebred. A purebred is more than just a bloodline, in my opinion. How many threads here have we seen, "Is my dog a Yorkie?" I see some countries such as Canada that are so against this indiscriminate breeding, that they don't even want to register dogs who don't look like standard. I'd hate to see that happen here, but I really believe in the standard and understand it's importance.

As I said before not every breeder in the YTCA is a good one and it's hard to get a bad one out of the group, a actual buyer has to do the complaining, not just other members. Look at the AKC, not every breeder with the AKC is a good one, some are there, just to sell puppies, but it's still the best registry there is. I recommend the YTCA to members here because you can usually find one in every state, and you can visit the home and see the breeding dogs in person. I know you've said before you don't like this idea either, but I really think it's important that people see the breeding conditions for themselves before they buy a dog. It's the very least we can do.

[magicgenie]

Nancy, why do you think I don't breed to the standard? I do, 100% breed to the standard. What are you talking about?
People come to my home to see my puppies and their parents. I do limit visitors to those who are actively looking for a puppy, however. There have been times people wanted to visit to prepare for a possible purchase at some undetermined future time. I can't entertain that. This is my home, after all, and I can't open it up for window shopping. Really, be fair.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

Nancy, why do you think I don't breed to the standard? I do, 100% breed to the standard. What are you talking about?
People come to my home to see my puppies and their parents. I do limit visitors to those who are actively looking for a puppy, however. There have been times people wanted to visit to prepare for a possible purchase at some undetermined future time. I can't entertain that. This is my home, after all, and I can't open it up for window shopping. Really, be fair.

I didn't say, that you don't breed to standard, I have no idea about your breeding program or your dogs, I said you don't care for standard, because you seem to be in favor of breeders breeding for the Parti color. I disagree that the parti color is a natural phenomenon of the breed, since they can all be traced to one kennel, but even if it were, breeding to standard is all about breeding out what is considered a flaw, not breeding for that flaw. Also, breeding to standard does involve docking the tail and I think that it's still much safer to dock then not dock, especially on those dogs with finer bone structure.

I'm sorry if I was wrong about you not allowing people to come to your home and visit your breeding dogs, I could have sworn that you said would not allow this and stood up for breeders who said that they wouldn't do it. I can't tell you how relieved I am to hear you say this, and I totally agree, that when and or even if you see someone is entirely up to you. I just think it's important that a breeder allow it, if a relationship has been established and the breeder is trusting enough to place a puppy in someone's hands, they should be trusting enough to allow them in their house. I'm am genuinely sorry for that mistake.

[107barney]

I'm chiming in here to say that actual buyers cannot complain to the YTCA. According to the bylaws I reviewed, the process is brought by one board member complaining to the club about a particular breeder. It's not an effective process for buyers in my view.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by 107barney

I'm chiming in here to say that actual buyers cannot complain to the YTCA. According to the bylaws I reviewed, the process is brought by one board member complaining to the club about a particular breeder. It's not an effective process for buyers in my view.

[magicgenie]

Thanks for clarifying, Nancy. I do care a great deal for the standard but I'm not convinced the Partis have no place in the breed. Enough people like them that maybe a small space should be set aside for them. I don't want to argue for or against. I want to be neutral and not have to throw away some friends I really like a lot because I don't understand their choice of Yorkie color. Heck, I don't even like Partis myself, never saw one I would say is pretty, but to each his own.
As for the tail docking, you do understand that's not a breeding issue but rather a matter of surgically lopping off a puppy's tail. Over the years I've imported many fine European bred Yorkies and become accustomed to seeing the full tail. Whimsically, and not always wisely as an exhibitor, I sometimes choose to leave the full tail on a puppy.
I do have show dogs and do dock the tails of any dogs being shown in the US, as per the custom in this country.
Cathy, I didn't know breeder complaints did not go directly to someone in the club.
I wonder how helpful it would be to go to the AKC with things we think the YTCA could be doing better.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by 107barney

I'm chiming in here to say that actual buyers cannot complain to the YTCA. According to the bylaws I reviewed, the process is brought by one board member complaining to the club about a particular breeder. It's not an effective process for buyers in my view.

Don't know how much of all of this you want to make public, so I'm not sure how to answer this. Lets's just say, the members have strict rules on gossiping and needed a pet buyers sworn affidavit on certain facts. If the pet buyer refuses to do this, nothing can be done. It could have been effective.