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Old 12-09-2010, 09:45 AM   #1
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Default Progress against Oklahoma puppy mills?

I just read this article on a local news station's website. It sounds promising if things keep trending the way they have been in preparation for new January 1 regulations. I'm interested in your opinions.....


Breeders dump dogs before new laws begin in 2011

TULSA, Okla - Strict new regulations for breeders are about to take effect in Oklahoma. That has many breeders handing their dogs over to rescue groups.
23 dogs were recently handed over to the Animal Rescue Foundation in Tulsa, also known as ARF.
Six dogs remain at an animal hospital, because they are in poor health. Dr. Kimberly Huckaby of the Bent Arrow Veterinary Hospital is working to nurse this latest group of new arrivals back to health.
Their physical challenges are obvious, things like the mange, eye problems and dental issues.
Huckaby says they face other challenges as well. "It's emotional because they've lived their whole lives in a cage. When you touch them, you'll see them jump. Because they are not used to being loved. They're not used to being cuddled."
Jaynie Ozment with the Animal Rescue Foundation believes she will see a lot more of these dogs before new regulations take effect on January 1.
She says many commercial breeders don't believe they will be able comply with the regulations that have been proposed at part of the Commercial Breeders Act.
Some of the proposed rules include: Passing inspections, having larger cages, hiring one full time employee per every 25 dogs, and forcing breeders to be bonded.
Ozment says, "We're going to have an influx of dogs for a little while. But hopefully it will slow down and eventually we won't have dogs that are in this kind of shape ever again."
The rules are not set in stone. A public hearing will be held in Oklahoma City Thursday at 4 pm. The committee will likely vote to approve the rules later the same evening.
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Old 12-09-2010, 10:07 AM   #2
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It's sad...a situation that will get worse in order for things to get better. I'm afraid the big "dump" will be right after Christmas. The greeders will have pups that didn't sell plus old breeders they will have to get rid of within a weeks time, to be in compliance.

Rescues should be ready for this and then the annual after the first of the year surrenders...."we didn't realize a puppy would take so much time"....those that get puppies for Christmas presents without thinking about the commitment it takes to raise a pup.
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this is going to happen in MO now that HSUS got their way with that puppy mill prevention act. i can bet that lots of dog breeders are going to start the big dump in MO to get their numbers under 50...i really wish/hope they come up with a way to make this easier than the mass euthanasias and rescue dumps that will prob. be enevitable now. it's too bad that they didn't think this through with more detail before passing this law. there are so many things in the bill that weren't done well.
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Sounds really sad, but I have my baby 3rd week and i'm not surrending we both are adjusting. However, not everyone has strong character to go over time when u may have to wake up in the middle of the night to let your beloved potty.
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It's sad...a situation that will get worse in order for things to get better. I'm afraid the big "dump" will be right after Christmas. The greeders will have pups that didn't sell plus old breeders they will have to get rid of within a weeks time, to be in compliance.

Rescues should be ready for this and then the annual after the first of the year surrenders...."we didn't realize a puppy would take so much time"....those that get puppies for Christmas presents without thinking about the commitment it takes to raise a pup.
Do you think these new regulations will be any help in the long run? I've been wondering how all the new rules will be enforced. Who's going to enforce them, and where's the money going to come from? Is it really going to have an impact on mills at all?
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Do you think these new regulations will be any help in the long run? I've been wondering how all the new rules will be enforced. Who's going to enforce them, and where's the money going to come from? Is it really going to have an impact on mills at all?


My question with nearly any new law is "where's the loop hole"? Because you know people who are getting rich off puppy mills are going to find those holes. I'm not sure about all the stipulations, but the one regarding hiring one full time employee per 25 dogs seems really easy to get around. Seems like puppy millers are just going to hire their spouse, kids, cousin, etc on paperwork. And like you mentioned, BonBon...where's the enforcement? Even with the inspections, unless they are some kind of surprise inspection, what's to keep dogs from just being hidden away?

Another thing about the 25 dog limit...does this include puppies? Because puppies come and go so even say a greeder just has 20 dogs but ten of those dogs have five puppies each.* Do they have to hire two more employees for the weeks they are caring for those 50 puppies? Just seems like a lot of important details are getting overlooked. Politicians just want to get the legislation passed so they can point and say "hey, look what a good thing I did!" But implementation is a whole 'nother ball game.

*Keep in mind, I'm just pulling numbers out of a hat here in order to make a point!
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My question with nearly any new law is "where's the loop hole"? Because you know people who are getting rich off puppy mills are going to find those holes. I'm not sure about all the stipulations, but the one regarding hiring one full time employee per 25 dogs seems really easy to get around. Seems like puppy millers are just going to hire their spouse, kids, cousin, etc on paperwork. And like you mentioned, BonBon...where's the enforcement? Even with the inspections, unless they are some kind of surprise inspection, what's to keep dogs from just being hidden away?

Another thing about the 25 dog limit...does this include puppies? Because puppies come and go so even say a greeder just has 20 dogs but ten of those dogs have five puppies each.* Do they have to hire two more employees for the weeks they are caring for those 50 puppies? Just seems like a lot of important details are getting overlooked. Politicians just want to get the legislation passed so they can point and say "hey, look what a good thing I did!" But implementation is a whole 'nother ball game.

*Keep in mind, I'm just pulling numbers out of a hat here in order to make a point!
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Good points. I hadn't thought about it this way.

My first impression when I read the article was that it was a step in the right direction. Maybe it is, but like you said there seem to be so big loopholes that need to be closed before this can actually begin to make a difference.
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My question with nearly any new law is "where's the loop hole"? Because you know people who are getting rich off puppy mills are going to find those holes. I'm not sure about all the stipulations, but the one regarding hiring one full time employee per 25 dogs seems really easy to get around. Seems like puppy millers are just going to hire their spouse, kids, cousin, etc on paperwork. And like you mentioned, BonBon...where's the enforcement? Even with the inspections, unless they are some kind of surprise inspection, what's to keep dogs from just being hidden away?

Another thing about the 25 dog limit...does this include puppies? Because puppies come and go so even say a greeder just has 20 dogs but ten of those dogs have five puppies each.* Do they have to hire two more employees for the weeks they are caring for those 50 puppies? Just seems like a lot of important details are getting overlooked. Politicians just want to get the legislation passed so they can point and say "hey, look what a good thing I did!" But implementation is a whole 'nother ball game.

*Keep in mind, I'm just pulling numbers out of a hat here in order to make a point!
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where is the loop hole---your exactly correct !! There is always a loop hole. If the law would inforce the existing laws all would be fine---it's the inforcement---everyone winks and lets it go !! Some animal groups are nuts ! Some are lax--some have no moral compus ! Laws don't tend to business. Some breeders stink and are horrible. Some truly love and care for their dogs. I don't care what law they pass---it's the inforcement. And each little community has it's good old boy network that doesn't do anything---what's it to them !! They are waiting for pay day ! I've reported a horrible abuse and the cops wouldn't even show their face !! Law --- What Law !!!! We would be better off with out it !!
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yes what a great start to stopping something so bad as a puppy mill. thank god i think if they need help enforcing the rules i will volunteer to help as much as i can. think of all the dogs that will finally get a chance to have a human to sit with and watch t.v. with. i'am thrilled it passed.
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I'm so pleased to see this taken place. I'm from Texas and I bought a yorkie from a breeder in Oklahoma last year. She was born 11-17-09 and we had to have her put to sleep this year one day before she was 1 years old.
The breeder gave me a contract with a 2 year guarantee and I have been trying go reach her ever since I bought the yorkie.
She has blocked my # and I found her kennel name on eBay and reported her.
I have also gotten a hold of the state attorney they are helping me.
It was said and I miss her so very much her name was Kloe. My 5 year old grandson was and is so sad.
We will buy anther but I sure will do more research first.
If yaking I just really happy.
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I'm so pleased to see this taken place. I'm from Texas and I bought a yorkie from a breeder in Oklahoma last year. She was born 11-17-09 and we had to have her put to sleep this year one day before she was 1 years old.
The breeder gave me a contract with a 2 year guarantee and I have been trying go reach her ever since I bought the yorkie.
She has blocked my # and I found her kennel name on eBay and reported her.
I have also gotten a hold of the state attorney they are helping me.
It was said and I miss her so very much her name was Kloe. My 5 year old grandson was and is so sad.
We will buy anther but I sure will do more research first.
If yaking I just really happy.
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I'm so sorry to hear about your baby Kloe. I hope you find a resolution with this 'breeder' soon.

YT is a great place to research what to look for in a reputable breeder, so you can make sure you're not supporting one of our awful puppy mills.
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yes what a great start to stopping something so bad as a puppy mill. thank god i think if they need help enforcing the rules i will volunteer to help as much as i can. think of all the dogs that will finally get a chance to have a human to sit with and watch t.v. with. i'am thrilled it passed.
I agree !!!!! We have to start somewhere, It's a beginning. Nothing is ever perfect, but we may save some lives.
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I'm so pleased to see this taken place. I'm from Texas and I bought a yorkie from a breeder in Oklahoma last year. She was born 11-17-09 and we had to have her put to sleep this year one day before she was 1 years old.
The breeder gave me a contract with a 2 year guarantee and I have been trying go reach her ever since I bought the yorkie.
She has blocked my # and I found her kennel name on eBay and reported her.
I have also gotten a hold of the state attorney they are helping me.
It was said and I miss her so very much her name was Kloe. My 5 year old grandson was and is so sad.
We will buy anther but I sure will do more research first.
If yaking I just really happy.
Yorkie mom and Brie.
I am so sorry that you lost your beloved Kloe! I cannot begin to imagine your heartache! I hope that the state attorney can help you in putting this woman out of business forever.
I agree with the sentiments of all the other posters as well. This is a great start, but questions still remain surrounding enforcement. I am happy though that it is at least starting to be addressed. This is an issue that we cannot allow to continue in our society today.
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