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Old 03-27-2010, 05:24 PM   #16
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Nancy, IDK about all commercial breeders but the ones I've dealt with through rescue all microchip and have for some time. I don't think commercial breeders are too worried about dogs being traced back to them.

The microchip study summary you quoted was done by "Destron-Fearing........the maker of microchips. Call me cynical because, I just don't trust those that profit from a product to do the research. I would much prefer an unbiased opinion or scientific study.

It's odd you want an independent study before you believe the most recent case of cancer in a dog at the site of the microchip, but believe a corporation with a vested interest in the outcome of these studies.
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Recent Industry Misstatements about Implant-Cancer Research
Misstatement:
"The majority of tumors [in the 1997 Tillmann study] were benign fibrosarcomas..."
- Destron Fearing, makers of the HomeAgain pet implant
Source: "Tissue Reactions to Microchip Implantation in Laboratory Animals
and Pets," page 2, column 2, paragraph 2.
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There is no such thing as a "benign fibrosarcoma." All of the tumors found in the 1997 Tillmann study were malignant cancers. A fibrosarcoma is a type of sarcoma, a malignant tumor of soft tissue that connects, supports or surrounds other structures and organs of the body. Dr. Timothy Jennings, an expert on implant-induced cancers in humans, said he was "not aware of any nosology incorporating an entity of 'benign fibrosarcoma'" and agreed that "any tumor classified as sarcoma should be viewed as malignant."


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Time Magazine writes: "In an exclusive interview with TIME, [Scott] Silverman [VeriChip CEO] provided [one of the studies] mentioned in the AP article, which showed that less than 1% of 4,279 chipped mice developed tumors "clearly due to the implanted microchips" but were otherwise healthy, and that "no clinical symptoms except the nodule on their backs were shown."
- Time Magazine, "Are Microchip Tags Safe?" by Siobhan Morrissey
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Are Microchip Tags Safe? - TIME
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The 1997 Tillmann study, to which this passage refers, reported that laboratory mice developed malignant cancers around the microchips that involved "extensive local invasion of the surrounding tissues" and "zones of necrosis and high mitotic activity." (p. 198) These mice can hardly be referred to as "healthy."


Misstatement:
Time Magazine goes on to say, "The second study, conducted in France in 2006, two years after VeriChip's FDA application was approved, found that while 4% of the 1,260 mice in the study developed tumors, none of them were malignant."

Fact:
The 2006 Le Calvez study, to which this passage refers, found that 4% of mice developed tumors surrounding or adjacent to the microchip implants. All tumors found were classified as sarcomas-- a malignant form of cancer. Not only were the tumors malignant, but the often infiltrated nearby muscle tissue, and several metastasized (spread) to the lungs, liver, stomach, or pancreas. Even more disturbingly, many of the implants migrated from the original implantation site on the backs of the mice to cause cancer at other locations in the body. Nineteen percent of the cancers found involved microchips that had migrated from the back to the limbs, abdomen, or head of the mice.


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Time Magazine also writes: "As for the third study, Silverman says it was conducted in mice specifically bred to produce tumors, and was therefore omitted from the sheaf of studies included in the FDA application."

Fact:
This statement was referring to genetically modified mice used in the 1999 Blanchard study. The p53+/- mouse is genetically modified to have an increased susceptibility to cancer only when exposed to genotoxins, or substances that damage genetic material. It is not known to develop spontaneous tumors in the absence of genotoxins within the first six months of life, when the microchip-induced tumors in this study arose.

The high rate of cancer development in these mice (10.2%) in just six months suggests that implanted microchips may have genotoxic attributes or give rise to the production of genotoxins in the host. The researchers stated that, "the presence of the foreign body [microchip implant] may elicit tissue reactions capable of generating genotoxic byproducts." This raises a serious red flag about the microchip. The data from this study should have been carefully considered by the FDA during its evaluation of the microchip. It was inappropriate and negligent to omit this information from the FDA application.
For jencar98 and Dvlshamgel985, publicly-published research on microchips. Some of these, unfortunately you might not be able to access without membership.

Fibrosarcoma with Typical Features of Postinjection Sarcoma At site of Microimplant in Dog: Histologic and Immunohistochemical Study

Biological and migrational characteristics of transponders implanted into beagle dogs

Transponder-Induced Sarcoma in the Heterozygous p53+/- Mouse

Tumors in long-term rat studies associated with microchip animal identification devices.

Histological Reactions to Microchip Implants in Dogs


Liposarcoma at the site of an implantedmicrochip in a dog


Subcutaneous soft tissue tumours at the site of implanted microchips in mice

Fibrosarcoma adjacent to the site of microchip implantation in a cat


Can Microchips Stop Dogfighting?


For those of you who might question the reality of "human-implantation", or insinuate that it is sheer folly perpetrated by rag-mags; these are for you.


Proposal to Implant Tracking Chips in Immigrants


Bill to Ban Microchip Implants Fails in House Panel


Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip?

By pure coincidence (ahem) IBM, the company behind Verichip, the major retailer of implantable chips, also ran the cataloging system used by the Nazis to store information on Jews in Hitler Germany.
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For jencar98 and Dvlshamgel985, publicly-published research on microchips. Some of these, unfortunately you might not be able to access without membership.

Fibrosarcoma with Typical Features of Postinjection Sarcoma At site of Microimplant in Dog: Histologic and Immunohistochemical Study

Biological and migrational characteristics of transponders implanted into beagle dogs

Transponder-Induced Sarcoma in the Heterozygous p53+/- Mouse

Tumors in long-term rat studies associated with microchip animal identification devices.

Histological Reactions to Microchip Implants in Dogs


Liposarcoma at the site of an implantedmicrochip in a dog


Subcutaneous soft tissue tumours at the site of implanted microchips in mice

Fibrosarcoma adjacent to the site of microchip implantation in a cat


Can Microchips Stop Dogfighting?


For those of you who might question the reality of "human-implantation", or insinuate that it is sheer folly perpetrated by rag-mags; these are for you.


Proposal to Implant Tracking Chips in Immigrants


Bill to Ban Microchip Implants Fails in House Panel


Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip?

By pure coincidence (ahem) IBM, the company behind Verichip, the major retailer of implantable chips, also ran the cataloging system used by the Nazis to store information on Jews in Hitler Germany.

Well, I certainly can't argue with that type of logic!
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For jencar98 and Dvlshamgel985, publicly-published research on microchips. Some of these, unfortunately you might not be able to access without membership.

Fibrosarcoma with Typical Features of Postinjection Sarcoma At site of Microimplant in Dog: Histologic and Immunohistochemical Study

Biological and migrational characteristics of transponders implanted into beagle dogs

Transponder-Induced Sarcoma in the Heterozygous p53+/- Mouse

Tumors in long-term rat studies associated with microchip animal identification devices.

Histological Reactions to Microchip Implants in Dogs


Liposarcoma at the site of an implantedmicrochip in a dog


Subcutaneous soft tissue tumours at the site of implanted microchips in mice

Fibrosarcoma adjacent to the site of microchip implantation in a cat


Can Microchips Stop Dogfighting?


For those of you who might question the reality of "human-implantation", or insinuate that it is sheer folly perpetrated by rag-mags; these are for you.


Proposal to Implant Tracking Chips in Immigrants


Bill to Ban Microchip Implants Fails in House Panel


Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip?

By pure coincidence (ahem) IBM, the company behind Verichip, the major retailer of implantable chips, also ran the cataloging system used by the Nazis to store information on Jews in Hitler Germany.
Thank you! I'll read what I can. I like being informed.
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By pure coincidence (ahem) IBM, the company behind Verichip, the major retailer of implantable chips, also ran the cataloging system used by the Nazis to store information on Jews in Hitler Germany.

???? What's the implication here?
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Well, I certainly can't argue with that type of logic!
What a coincidence!

When I saw that your first post had your primary research information extracted from "Digital Angel" , a wholly owned subsidiary of Applied Digital Solutions........I thought the same thing.


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Thank you for all of the information and I will do some research about microchips on my own to see what they can really do. Bently 1
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Like anything else, to each his own.
No way would I want to be forced to chip my dog if I did not want too and I don't. To me 1 dog out of a million to develop a form of cancer is not worth
the risk. That's me.
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Like anything else, to each his own.
No way would I want to be forced to chip my dog if I did not want too and I don't. To me 1 dog out of a million to develop a form of cancer is not worth
the risk. That's me.
It's more like one out of 10 million and so far they can't say if the chip caused the cancer or it was something else. You also have to look at all the dogs that have been reunited with their owners, and see if that is important to you. I would just like for people do be aware of commercial breeders trying to stop this legislation, do you believe that they are truly concerned for the dog's safety? Everyone says they want to stop dog fighting and puppy mills, but every time a bill comes up that will help do that, this sort of thing happens.
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It's more like one out of 10 million and so far they can't say if the chip caused the cancer or it was something else. You also have to look at all the dogs that have been reunited with their owners, and see if that is important to you. I would just like for people do be aware of commercial breeders trying to stop this legislation, do you believe that they are truly concerned for the dog's safety? Everyone says they want to stop dog fighting and puppy mills, but every time a bill comes up that will help do that, this sort of thing happens.


Bottom line to me is Nancy, if legislation wants to require BYB and puppymillers to chip their dogs fine but don't make me do mine.
I don't believe in this practice. That's just how I feel is all.
I'm not comfortable with it and don't want to be forced to do something
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Bottom line to me is Nancy, if legislation wants to require BYB and puppymillers to chip their dogs fine but don't make me do mine.
I don't believe in this practice. That's just how I feel is all.
I'm not comfortable with it and don't want to be forced to do something
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I don't think it's to force pet owners to do this, I think it's for commercial breeders, right now they are tattooing their dogs, and it's so easy to change the markings. Many small breeders have been choosing to chip their dogs for years, they want to be able to prove a dog is theirs. If I lived in a smaller city, I probably would not have chipped Joey.
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Nancy, I have never heard that commercial breeders tattooed their dogs or even micro-chip them for that matter. Nor do dog fighters then the law could connect the dots.

Back in 2005 or 6 I can't remember exactly they were trying to pass a law but it failed mainly because there is not a universal chip at the moment. Until they can agree (which is doubtful because someone will lose $$$) I don't see this happening.

Now dogs being imported from Germany have to be tattooed or chipped.

Every article I read of the two dogs dying, the issue of vaccination was also implied.
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The next thing that can happen is that not only animals will have a microchip,but that one day humans might be required to have a microchip implanted in them. Thank you for this information. Bently 1
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The next thing that can happen is that not only animals will have a microchip,but that one day humans might be required to have a microchip implanted in them. Thank you for this information. Bently 1
Hate to tell you might want to see what is is written in the new Health Care Program that just got passed. It might scare you.
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