[News] Should you vaccinate your pet?

[yorkiesmiles]

The Today Show this morning did a story examining if pets are being over-vaccinated - they presented folks on both sides.

Should you vaccinate your pet? - MSN Video

[scrapindee]

I always wondered if re-vaccinations was necessary with such small dogs. If titers weren't so expensive, I would check out and see if they still had the immunities.

[yorkiesmiles]

my vet has strong opinions on the fact that pets are over-vaccinated and does as much as he can to avoid too many shots. He has written articles about this. I have posted one here before.

I know it's been discussed before on YT - I was just thrilled to see the national media pick up on the issue and really present some strong opinions about over-vaccinating

[tjdmom]

Thanks for the link. My girlfriend told me about this earlier today but I missed it. We just had a conversation the other day and I was telling her that I think our pets a frequently over vaccinated. Glad to see more info coming to light about it.

[Lisa and Pic]

Thanks for sharing the Today Show video about vaccines. I appreciate hearing both sides. I have really been thinking a lot about vaccines after Piccolo had a bad reaction to this last year. It was very scary and she will probably always have to have blood tests instead, in the future.

[yorkiesmiles]

This is one thing my vet has written on the subject - hope you all don't mind me including it here Iowa Veterinary Acupuncture Clinic - Helping cats and dogs live better lives through acupuncture in Des Moines

VACCINES
Too Many Shots!!!
By Gary VanEngelenburg DVM,CVA

A practice that was started many years ago and that lacks scientific validity or verification is annual revaccination. Almost without exception there is no immunologic requirement for annual revaccination. Immunity to viruses persists for years or for the life of the animal. Successful vaccination to most bacterial pathogens produces an immunologic memory that remains for years, allowing an animal to develop a protective anamnestic (secondary) response when exposed to virulent organisms. Only the immune response to toxins requires boosters (e.g. tetanus toxin booster, in humans, is recommended once every 7-10 years), and no toxin vaccines are currently used for dogs or cats. Furthermore, revaccination with most viral vaccines fails to stimulate an anamnestic (secondary) response as a result of interference by existing antibody (similar to maternal antibody interference). The practice of annual vaccination in our opinion should be considered of questionable efficacy unless it is used as a mechanism to provide an annual physical examination or is required by law (i.e., certain states require annual revaccination for rabies).(1)

The above paragraph was taken from Kirk’s Current Veterinary Therapy XI published nine years ago. This publication is found in almost every small animal vet’s office. So, what has happened? Does your veterinarian still recommend annual vaccinations? The reasoning often is that we give them simply because of habit. Some hint that they are aware of some controversy but are “playing it safe”. The sad truth is more one of economics to most practices as annual vaccinations makes up a large portion of the income for many practices. I really think many veterinarians don’t want to hear the truth about the hazards of giving annual modified live virus (MLV) vaccines.

Fortunately, for our pets’ sake, public awareness and medical awareness are starting to surface and change is starting. Last year the National Association of Feline Practitioners started recommending it’s members limit booster vaccines to no more than once every 3 years. Colorado State has a website up and running (2) detailing which vaccines to use and NOT to use and recommends a schedule of no more than once every three years for boosters. They go on to recommend using only “core” vaccines in both cats and dogs. This includes canine distemper, parvo, and adenovirus type 2(for hepatitis protection) and parainfluenza. Feline vaccines include rhinotracheitis and panleukopenia only. Rabies for both species varies some from state to state so may be annual or once every 3 years.

The annual vaccine habit wouldn’t be so bad if it was as simple as not being necessary. The truth is that there are harmful side effects to giving MLV vaccines every year. More and more research in this area is coming up with the vaccines causing autoimmune antibody production to many organs and body tissues. (3) When you consider that immune titer studies indicate a minimum of 7 years protection after a single dose(4) where do we get the annual booster idea anyway? I think we, as veterinarians, are obligated to do what is best for the pet. Giving unnecessary vaccines , in my opinion, is unethical and, in some instances, bordering on malpractice.

Another factor to consider is safety when giving MLV vaccines, especially when giving multiple antigens at the same time. Most of our continuing education on new vaccines and vaccine combinations comes from representatives of the companies selling the product. I can’t help but think there may be a bit of bias involved here. Anyway, we are constantly told that the multiple antigen products are safe, convenient and effective. I remember two cases in the past year with perfectly normal, happy, apparently healthy cats being presented in complete total flaccid paralysis within 72 hours after getting “all their shots”. Extensive diagnostics had been done on both animals by their regular vet before being presented to me and in both cases the owner’s were told that nothing was apparently wrong with their pet and that the vaccines couldn’t be at fault!!! Many times every month I hear new clients complain about their pet being sick for up to 2 weeks after receiving multiple vaccines at once. I think our own pets are telling us something and maybe we should listen to them.

The American Veterinary Medical Association now recommends all veterinarians develop a core of only necessary vaccines for their area and not to give all available vaccines. They also recommend that multiple vaccines not be given at the same time. The American Animal Hospital Association is now saying all dogs need only a core of rabies, distemper, parvovirus and adenovirus type 2 and that they only need to be given once every three years. Other vaccines are considered optional according to circumstances. Vaccines such as giardia and coronovirus are recommended not to be used at all.

The Iowa Animal Welfare Act as it stands now is grossly out of date. It requires annual vaccines for boarding kennels and grooming facilities. It even lists Corona virus as a required vaccine. Corona is only an infrequent problem in very young puppies. Adult dogs will not even contract the disease in natural exposure and I consider vaccinating adults for it to be malpractice. Contact your representative in the Iowa Legislature and insist on a review on these requirements. I would be more than happy to help present the current research to the lawmakers.

1. Kirk’s Current Veterinary Therapy, Vol. XI, page 205
2. Colorado State University’s Small Animal Vaccination Protocol, http://www.cvmbs.colostate.edu/vth/savp2.html
3. Vaccine-Induced Autoimmunity in the Dog, Harm Hogenesch, Juan Azcona-Olivera, Cathatine Scott-Moncrieff, Paul W. Snyder, and Larry T. Glickman, Departments of Veterinary Pathobiology and Veterinary Clinical Sciences, Purdue University, West Lafayette, Indiana 47907
4. Considerations in Designing Effective and Safe Vaccination Programs for Dogs, R. D. Schultz, Department of Pathobiological Sciences, School of Veterinary Medicine, University of Wisconsin-Madison, Wisconsin.

[MyLadies]

I wonder this too. Esp. here in Texas. When my poor 7 pound Yorkie mix is shaking and freezing cold, and totally immobile for at least 10 hours afterwards, while I hold her in my arms and have her covered with a blanket... and my 15 pound Shih Tzu is crying and wincing in pain for 10 hours afterwards.... I wonder are they overdosing them??? Makes me not want to take them again for their shots next year, but then I feel like a bad mother... either way I feel bad

[lindabjk]

great clip....something that i have been thinking about a lot lately!!! THANK

[tallred63]

My vet at Natural Pet Care advised me last week concerning my new puppy who is now 6 weeks. She said to only give the Distemper/Parvo/Distemper vaccine ONCE at 9-10 weeks. (I won't get her from her furmom until she is 11-12 weeks old)

I mean think about it do WE go back annually for boosters?!?!?!?

I remember with my first two furbabies I was so proud and thought I was being such a good mom taking them annually for their "shots". Now I wonder if I hastened the demise of their health by over vaccinating. I won't make that mistake again. I lost my first two to cancer.

[yorkiesmiles]

my vet does not continue to give the parvo shot either, and when I boarded my dogs one time, I had to provide the doggie care place with a letter from my vet explaining why, apparently that is the one there is some way around. So much has to be given by law

[Yorkiedaze]

I love the questions Jill Rappaport ask and she sure sounds like she has been thru all this before..........maybe with her pets. I get the impression she's against yearly shots. Dr. Marty Goldstien is a wise Vet. and sounds like the Vet. we have.
I'm more than surprised at Dr. Ann Hohenhause with her interpretations and ideas. You can tell she has never attended any of the seminars every major city had and is still having after the 10 year study of annual medications and their findings.

[judyanne]

okay you guys, i have been reading everyone's concerns about the vaccines. i too was worried, sophie turned 1 year old in january and in may she was due for all her shots. well, i found a holistic vet and she doesn't get shots anymore, she is on nosodes. i feel so much better. you can google nosodes and find out more about it, you can also find a holistic vet in your area. i live in jacksonville, fl and drive to ocala, fl for Dr. Wessner. it's about a 2 hr. drive but it's worth it, he'll even send me stuff when i need it like her heartworm nosodes that i give her every month. check it out, its fascinating.

[yorkiesmiles]

Originally Posted by judyanne

okay you guys, i have been reading everyone's concerns about the vaccines. i too was worried, sophie turned 1 year old in january and in may she was due for all her shots. well, i found a holistic vet and she doesn't get shots anymore, she is on nosodes. i feel so much better. you can google nosodes and find out more about it, you can also find a holistic vet in your area. i live in jacksonville, fl and drive to ocala, fl for Dr. Wessner. it's about a 2 hr. drive but it's worth it, he'll even send me stuff when i need it like her heartworm nosodes that i give her every month. check it out, its fascinating.

I do go to a holistic vet, but he has never mentioned these before? I did just google it - very interesting. How do you pronounce nosodes?

I will ask the next time I see him. He doesn't do the parvo - I adopted them when they were 2, so sure they already had enough. He does the 3 yr rabies - because that is required by law - but what I just read is there is a nosodes alternative for the rabies

[miss_marley]

This is an interesting topic. The breeder that I got Marley from has all her dogs on a vaccine that they get every three years, and that's what she recommended I do. I don't think my vet offers it, but the vet my other dog goes to for acupuncture does, so one way or another I think that's the one I'll get for Marley. The law here says that they only need their rabies shot every three years I believe, but for some reason they need to get it a year after their first one, and then start the three years, so she'll need hers again next year.

[judyanne]

glad you guys checked it out. they do have a nosode for rabies too. what i am interested in is how many if any of you guys give your babies raw diets?