[News] Loose Pit Bulls Kill yorkie

[JustaLilBitLuck]

First off, an introduction. I’ve been working in all-breed animal (dog and cat) rescue for years, in all aspects: training, grooming, temperament testing, fostering. I’ve dealt with almost every breed of dog at least once. And, I’m here to defend the dogs you seem to love to hate…so here goes.

Originally Posted by cooperk

totally agree. they'll attack a child next...then they'll take it seriously.

Prey drive, dog aggression, and human aggression are three COMPLETELY different things. Not all dogs that will aggressively go after small animals will go after dogs it’s own size, and not all dogs that are aggressive towards other dogs are aggressive towards people. Not even remotely close.

Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze

I just don't want to hear how sweet Pits can be "if only" they were raised right. That is pure BS!!! Having Pits is like having Wolves. They are unpredictable and you never know if or when they will go into prey drive.

Any dog that isn’t socialized, trained, and treated right has the potential to become aggressive, be it APBT, German Shepherd, Golden Retriever, or, yes, even your precious little Yorkies. And Wolves? Please. Wolves are WILD animals, undomesticated. APBTs have been living with humans for GENERATIONS, they are domesticated.

Originally Posted by crystalsmom

Many misunderstand the strength these dogs have when they lock their jaws on a child, adult or another dog.

APBT’s jaws do not lock, nor do any other breed of dog. There is nothing structurally different about their jaws from any other breed of dogs.

Originally Posted by teffiemoore

Honestly and without judgement, help me understand why you feel this way...does this breed not kill more domestic animals and bite and kill small children more than any other breed???

Ummm…actually no. I don’t have the statistics for domestic animal attacks, as those are very hard to obtain, but as for biting people…they aren’t even in the top ten. Top three would be the German Shepherd Dog, the Chow Chow, and the Poodle.

Originally Posted by SunnyDaze

Any large animal can be vicious,German Shepards,Rotties ect.

Any large animal? Any large animal? Try any animal. My girlfriend (who works in all-breed animal rescue with me) has three inch-long gashes on her wrist currently. She needed, I believe, 30-some stitches. And this is a girl who knows what to do when a dog bites you, and how to minimize the damage. Would you like to know what caused them? A Yorkshire Terrier. My point? ANY animal can cause damage. ANY animal.

Originally Posted by Lou

Pit Bulls have the most bites and kills of ALL breeds. Doesn't that tell you something? No one on this thread made up the figures.

Actually, no, they don’t. And, actually, yes, they did.

Now, for the large picture? Any dog can be aggressive. ANY dog, yes, even your “precious little babies” (hear my sarcasm here). You know, I always had a dislike for small dog owners. I thought that they were fruitcakes, over-the-top, irrational, and were attempting to turn their dogs into furry children, complete with clothing and shoes. And you know, I was getting better, after meeting many well-adjusted small dogs with well-adjusted owners. But you know, you guys just kind of blew that all to h*ll for me. So thanks. Thank you for distilling the faith I was beginning to have in small dog owners. But most of all, thank you for trying to condemn the breed that I love, the breed that I will die trying to protect. Again, cue sarcasm.

And to AmStaffer: You’re amazing. Took some of my words right out of my mouth.

-JustaLilBitaLuck

[tatorsmommie]

PLEASE CHECK OUT MY PIC OF OUR PITBULL AND MY YORKIE!!! http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x...07cdd52ff3.jpg
I am here to stand up for the pitbull breed and my heart truely goes out to those who have lost a pet to a pitbull because my poor pomeranian i had for 9 long years was attacked and kill my a pitbull that my brother kept for a friend while he went to IRAQ...BUT We breed pitbulls and people let me tell you it has to do with the owners we have 15 pitbulls and they all run and play with my yorkie and i have never had ANY problems....i truely understand being a breeder of this kind and also one that suffered a loss from this kind but, you have got to start pointingf fingers at the owners first then at the animal itself...you can't blame an animal if it was trained to do what it was tought...thats like teaching your dog to sit and one day you have a treat or something in your hands and he sits on his water dish and flings water everywhere you trained them to sit and they were only following commands? If an owner doesn't socialize that dog like it should be they're the idiots....i know there's exceptions but, this breed is the first one to get euthinized because their owners are MORONS! i stand behind what i say and I wish the owner of the pitbull that took the life of your sweet baby the worst punishment imaginable!

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by JustaLilBitLuck

ANY dog, yes, even your “precious little babies” (hear my sarcasm here). You know, I always had a dislike for small dog owners. I thought that they were fruitcakes, over-the-top, irrational, and were attempting to turn their dogs into furry children, complete with clothing and shoes. And you know, I was getting better, after meeting many well-adjusted small dogs with well-adjusted owners. But you know, you guys just kind of blew that all to h*ll for me. So thanks. Thank you for distilling the faith I was beginning to have in small dog owners. But most of all, thank you for trying to condemn the breed that I love, the breed that I will die trying to protect. Again, cue sarcasm.

JustaLilBitLuck -

I was in support of your arguments and glad to see you stand against discrimination of a breed - and then my heart fell to see you close with THIS. Any folks you just won over to your side with your arguments above - you just proceeded to insult. I don't need to be called a fruitcake - nor I do need to be cued as to when I should insert your sarcasm; I'm well aware as to when sarcasm wants to play.

I don't discriminate against white people, black people, little dogs, big dogs, pit bulls, yorkies, people who dress their dogs, or people who live in Minnesota who make sweeping judgments about others.

I support the Best Friends Society who took in Michael Vick's dogs and is re-habbing them, with beautiful results. I don't think folks necessarily always understand the full story behind what has made some PBs act unpredictably - and other dogs act unpredictably. It isn't necessarily breed related, as you point out - but the media isn't telling that story, is it?

For those who want to read a more unbiased position, NOT media related - PLEASE read PB info at the Best Friends Society:

Pit Bulls

The Viktory Dogs

Pit Bulls and Media Myths

Breed Spec. Legislation

More

I don't have the answer - but before anyone goes too far with discrimination against anything - a dog, or a person, or anything - just please remember that discrimination of any kind, when allowed to happen anywhere - can then happen everywhere. So, tread carefully.

[Lou]

Quote: Originally Posted by Lou http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ima...s/viewpost.gif Pit Bulls have the most bites and kills of ALL breeds. Doesn't that tell you something? No one on this thread made up the figures. "Actually, no, they don’t. And, actually, yes, they did."


I beg to differ with you on this point as pointed out in the link I supplied earlier. Those stats were not written by anyone her. But you make good points that I agree with (except for slamming the rest of us - cue sarcasm.)
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[Lou]

I would like to propose that we drop this thread. It isn't productive and it may just end up with YT loosing a couple of new members before they really appreciate this great group of people.

There should be no disrespect for other people on here and we should all value others' opinion for what they are. OPINIONS. When they are that strong you are not going to change their minds and no one can win this argument.

I hope to become and remain friends with you all.

[crystalsmom]

wylies's mom are you just trying to keep this thing going I was so proud of people not taking the bait (including me) I was mentioned. I don't get it? With only 1 or two posts are these friends of yours

[crystalsmom]

We posted at the same time Lou, that is a great idea to close this thread.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by crystalsmom

wylies's mom are you just trying to keep this thing going I was so proud of people not taking the bait (including me) I was mentioned. I don't get it? With only 1 or two posts are these friends of yours

NO. They are not "friends of mine".

I think this is an important discussion and will leave it open with the hope that it can stay civil. If it cannot, then we'll close it. Thank you.

[SunnyDaze]

Hi CrystalsMom
You are right. Let this thread end. Enough discrimination without
Having it here.

[Rae Rae]

Originally Posted by JustaLilBitLuck

First off, an introduction. I’ve been working in all-breed animal (dog and cat) rescue for years, in all aspects: training, grooming, temperament testing, fostering. I’ve dealt with almost every breed of dog at least once. And, I’m here to defend the dogs you seem to love to hate…so here goes.



Prey drive, dog aggression, and human aggression are three COMPLETELY different things. Not all dogs that will aggressively go after small animals will go after dogs it’s own size, and not all dogs that are aggressive towards other dogs are aggressive towards people. Not even remotely close.



Any dog that isn’t socialized, trained, and treated right has the potential to become aggressive, be it APBT, German Shepherd, Golden Retriever, or, yes, even your precious little Yorkies. And Wolves? Please. Wolves are WILD animals, undomesticated. APBTs have been living with humans for GENERATIONS, they are domesticated.



APBT’s jaws do not lock, nor do any other breed of dog. There is nothing structurally different about their jaws from any other breed of dogs.



Ummm…actually no. I don’t have the statistics for domestic animal attacks, as those are very hard to obtain, but as for biting people…they aren’t even in the top ten. Top three would be the German Shepherd Dog, the Chow Chow, and the Poodle.



Any large animal? Any large animal? Try any animal. My girlfriend (who works in all-breed animal rescue with me) has three inch-long gashes on her wrist currently. She needed, I believe, 30-some stitches. And this is a girl who knows what to do when a dog bites you, and how to minimize the damage. Would you like to know what caused them? A Yorkshire Terrier. My point? ANY animal can cause damage. ANY animal.



Actually, no, they don’t. And, actually, yes, they did.

Now, for the large picture? Any dog can be aggressive. ANY dog, yes, even your “precious little babies” (hear my sarcasm here). You know, I always had a dislike for small dog owners. I thought that they were fruitcakes, over-the-top, irrational, and were attempting to turn their dogs into furry children, complete with clothing and shoes. And you know, I was getting better, after meeting many well-adjusted small dogs with well-adjusted owners. But you know, you guys just kind of blew that all to h*ll for me. So thanks. Thank you for distilling the faith I was beginning to have in small dog owners. But most of all, thank you for trying to condemn the breed that I love, the breed that I will die trying to protect. Again, cue sarcasm.

And to AmStaffer: You’re amazing. Took some of my words right out of my mouth.

-JustaLilBitaLuck

Your probably not even going to come back on this forum, I'm sure you feel your "ahead' because you insulted everyone on here, but why would you even join a forum of a group of people that you don't like? This forum is for people who love yorkies, not for people who want to cause drama

Another thing, why is it o.k for you to have something against small dog owners, but people can't have something against pitbulls? "Pot, meet Mr. Kettle"

[Amstaffer]

Still no one has answered my questions about about dog shows or temperament tests....thats ok because no rational person ever can.

I have spoke to many pit bull haters and no one can explain those arguements.


On "Pit Bulls" have the most bites. Even if that was true, "Pit Bull" is a type of dog that many dogs get thrown into. American Staffordshire Terriers, Staffordshire Bull Terriers, American Pit Bull Terriers, Bull Terriers, Dogo Argentios, Presa Canarios, etc.... Also in the areas when "pit bulls" have a major of the bites they are usually the most common breed, so logically they would have the most bites. I you live in a city with 100 Labs and 5 collies, logic would lead one to believe that Labs should record a lot more bites.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Amstaffer

Still no one has answered my questions about about dog shows or temperament tests....thats ok because no rational person ever can.

I said I'd keep this thread open if people could remain CIVIL. When you use language such as that above - you do NOTHING to win people over to your side - in fact, all you do is alienate people further and further. Feel free to argue to your point at any time, when you are prepared to use less inflammatory language. I'm now going to close this thread - as I previously warned in my last comment. Which is exactly what I did NOT want to do.