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09-26-2007, 09:06 AM | #1 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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| Food Ingredient Allergy Help These are the ingredients in Ellie's food. Any idea what ingredients in here could cause allergies if any at all? I know corn can but she hasen eaten it before with no problems. She is also not allergic to chicken. Ingredients: ROYAL CANIN Veterinary Diet™ canine HEPATIC LS 14 Rice, ground corn, chicken fat, soy protein isolate, natural flavors, dried beet pulp, calcium carbonate, potassium chloride, inulin, vegetable oil, dicalcium phosphate, fish oil, DL-methionine, choline chloride, L-lysine, taurine, monosodium phosphate, vitamins [DL-alpha-tocopherol acetate (source of vitamin E), L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), biotin, D-calcium pantothenate, niacin, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin (vitamin B2), vitamin K supplement, folic acid], L-carnitine, marigold extract, trace minerals [ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, manganous oxide, sodium selenite, calcium iodate], preserved with natural mixed tocopherols, rosemary extract, and citric acid.
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09-26-2007, 09:10 AM | #2 |
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| Corn can cause allergies in dogs and that's the second ingredient. I would definitely find a new food that doesn't contain corn, wheat or fillers. |
09-26-2007, 09:10 AM | #3 |
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| To me, the ones that DEFINITELY stand out as big no-no's are: Ground Corn and Dried Beet Pulp Someone people believe dried beet pulp is ok to give to their pet but after some research, I found that it can cause allergies. The biggest concern on that list is the CORN. Corn is directly linked to allergy problems in canines. I'd definitely switch to a different food.
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09-26-2007, 09:12 AM | #4 |
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09-26-2007, 09:14 AM | #5 |
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| I really wish I could switch but this is a veterinary diet. If I don't go with this I have to go with Science Diet. I will homecook after talking to a nutritionist but I don't have Ellie's diagnosis yet, so that has to wait. She can't have over about 18% protein a day.
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09-26-2007, 09:15 AM | #6 |
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| I am wondering since she has eaten corn and chicken, if it is the beet pulp.
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09-26-2007, 09:22 AM | #8 |
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| Allergies don't start right away. They start after repeated exposure to a particular ingredient. Ellie may have recently developed an allergy to corn or chicken or both. Corn, soy and wheat are the three top allergy causing ingredients in dog foods. Why, oh why, would they put corn in a prescription diet? BTW, Science Diet uses corn, too. My Lady has food allergies and I have to use "odd" protein sources like venison or duck. I also have to rotate through foods regularly to avoid her developing sensitivities to those, too. |
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09-26-2007, 09:25 AM | #10 |
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| I was skimming over the list so fast that I didn't even see soy! Soy is also on the no-no list!
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09-26-2007, 09:30 AM | #11 |
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| IF MISS ELLIE DEVELOPS FOOD ALLERGIES ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE, I AM GOING TO BE LESS THAN HAPPY!!! Sorry about the all caps. I am just upset today. I have no idea why they would put corn in dog food. I am guessing it is because they are...not thinking. Soy needs to be in there because it is a nonmeat protein. After all this I might end up switching to SD. Ellie's poor vet has to put up with me. I just told her I wouldn't consider SD. Wylie's Mom, the vitamin K does concern me too. The problem is this food and SD have it in. I am thinking it is menadione and I hate the stuff.
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09-26-2007, 09:35 AM | #13 |
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| Ellie's bile acids are high and she might have a little bit of a liver issue. Her food needs to be less than 18% a day. If you went by grams it is 2-3 grams of protein a day for every kilogram of body weight. So about 7 grams a day for Ellie. I am considering breaking the 18% rule and putting her on Avoderm vegetarian. I wish I was comfortable enough to homecook without a nutritionist for a medical problem but I'm not. I guess if Ellie scratches her ears off on this food (if that's even doing it) I will suddenly become comfortable with no nutritionist.
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09-26-2007, 09:37 AM | #14 |
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| Corn is a cheap filler which is why these companies use it. With what we pay for prescription food, you'd think they would use better ingredients. My Lady is diabetic and I refuse to feed her the prescription diets because they are full of corn and peanut hulls. Yup, ground up peanut hulls which have no nutritional value! What symptoms does Ellie have? Inhaled allergies are actually more common than food allergies. If you suspect food allergies, it's usually recommended that you try an elimination diet. Stick to one protein and one carb, nothing else (even in treats). Gradually add things back until you find out what she is sensitive to. |
09-26-2007, 09:42 AM | #15 |
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| Well, I didn't think Ellie had food allergies. She just had some sensitivity to lamb. She is on this food for her liver. I can't eliminate anything because there are about five choices for liver compromised dog food. There is Science Diet, Royal Canin, Purina (NOT A CHANCE), Avoderm Vegetarian (slightly higher in protein but it is good protein), and Natural Balance. I am not convinced that Natural Balance has their recalls under control so I didn't want to go with them. I hate Science Diet. I was just wondering what everyone thought the itching could be from if it isn't corn. I guess she could have acquired a corn allergy though. If it is an allergy to the soy, that would be very bad for us because that is a very acceptable protein for the liver.
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