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Mojolim · 06-05-2007, 06:28 AM

I have been feeding Jin-Ju Royal Canin puppy food that was given to her from the breeder. I recently went into Bark n' Fitz and noticed a food called Orijen. So I did some research and saw some great reviews about it. But when I looked closely, I saw that the protein was 42%. Is that too high to be feeding such a small puppy? Or even a toy breed? I would like to switch her to an all natural food without any by products. I live in Canada, so some of the ones in the US are not available here. Any suggestions? How much protein should a puppy be getting anyhow?

Mojolim · 06-05-2007, 06:52 AM

Anyone???

ARCHIE · 06-05-2007, 06:57 AM

I would definately say that is way too much protein for a toydog.
Try Canidae or Natural Balance Organic if you can locate them where
you live. Their both natural orgainc ingrediants. My dog is on Natural
Balance and has been for 2 1/2 yrs. He loves it and I know it's good for
him. The protein in the one you are questioning is double the protein
in either of these. That's trouble waiting to happen if fed to a small
yorkie.

Mojolim · 06-05-2007, 07:01 AM

Thanks for your response. I'll try to locate these foods.

ARCHIE · 06-05-2007, 07:08 AM

Ok there are others also. I believe Merricks and Chicken Soup are also
rated very good from the Yt'ers. Also Wellness too.

Wylie's Mom · 06-05-2007, 08:00 AM

You know what is SO confusing about this? Most raw or near-raw diets are practically 100% protein - and are viewed as the healthiest diet of all for our carnivores. SO, I'm always utterly confused as to why we aim for ~25-30% protein in our kibble vs. a higher %. Why would this be bad?

chickendido · 06-05-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

You know what is SO confusing about this? Most raw or near-raw diets are practically 100% protein - and are viewed as the healthiest diet of all for our carnivores. SO, I'm always utterly confused as to why we aim for ~25-30% protein in our kibble vs. a higher %. Why would this be bad?

That is very true!!!! Dogs, especially puppies need lots of protein. Meat, bones and organs are a canine's natural diet. Excess protein will get flushed out with the urine. What dogs don't need are carbs (grain of any kind that includes brown rice). If dogs need veggies is being debated to death. I personally feed Orijen and Evenger whenever I have to board my dogs as the facility unfortunatly does not allow raw or cooked. NO KIBBLE is perfect or even the best way to feed our dogs but if you must, choose one that has NO GRAIN in it. Innova and Orijen have no grain. I prefer Orijen over Innova.
For people in the USA you can go to k9kitchen (dot net) and if your order totals 50 buck then it ships free!

Mojolim · 06-05-2007, 10:14 AM

There is so many different opinions on this whole protein thing. As a first time Yorkie owner, there is just so much info you need to digest, especially when it comes to feeding. So...is a high protein diet okay or nay?

chickendido · 06-05-2007, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojolim

I have been feeding Jin-Ju Royal Canin puppy food that was given to her from the breeder. I recently went into Bark n' Fitz and noticed a food called Orijen. So I did some research and saw some great reviews about it. But when I looked closely, I saw that the protein was 42%. Is that too high to be feeding such a small puppy? Or even a toy breed? I would like to switch her to an all natural food without any by products. I live in Canada, so some of the ones in the US are not available here. Any suggestions? How much protein should a puppy be getting anyhow?

You are so lucky, since Orijen is made in Canada thus you can buy it from the local store!
One thing that I can tell you with the upmost certainty; Don't let anybody ever tell you that because your dog is small he somehow needs more of a human diet! A Yorkshire Terrier might look cute and all but he is still a DOG with true Canine nutrional needs! Even a cute, sweet, furry little Yorkie baby is a CARNIVOIRE!!!!

Catrina · 06-05-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojolim

There is so many different opinions on this whole protein thing. As a first time Yorkie owner, there is just so much info you need to digest, especially when it comes to feeding. So...is a high protein diet okay or nay?

Im not expert either but from what i read too high in protein is bad for the stomach... so id stick to something else like what people said.. chicken soup, merricks, canidae.. etc

Wylie's Mom · 06-05-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by chickendido

That is very true!!!! Dogs, especially puppies need lots of protein. Meat, bones and organs are a canine's natural diet. Excess protein will get flushed out with the urine. What dogs don't need are carbs (grain of any kind that includes brown rice). If dogs need veggies is being debated to death.

This is EXACTLY what confounds me lately! I'm reading 2 very good homecooking books - one recommends almost no grain and the other recommends almost no veggies. I don't know what to do with my homecooking, but it makes me very insecure about it.

Do you homecook any sort of grain? Or, are you straight meat only?

chickendido · 06-05-2007, 11:46 AM

I feed a combination of things as my 2 Yorkies don't agree to like the same stuff. When I need to board them, then I feed Orijen and Avenger, but I put their Enzymes, Missing Link, Multi Vitamin and Bone Meal in with their pre meassured baggies. Most of the time I feed raw now. Only some things though. I don't toss them a whole rabbit carcass, lol. When they eat raw, then no veggies and no supplements of any kind. When I cook for them, then I mix in RAW pulverized veggies, an egg (protein!!!) and their supplements. When you cook the meat, then the nutrients that are found in raw meat get lost. That's why the veggies. But I don't feed grains! The dogs like it, but it's just a filler. The dog's digestive tract is short, made for raw meat. Food doesn't and shouldn't stay in their body long. Grains are carbs. Dogs can't digest carbs, so it turns into sugar thus getting fat. It's a myth that high protein is bad for dogs with kidney problems. Canine was designed by nature to deal with high proteins! As to fruits; As a treat I provide them with organic (live cultures!) non flavor yoghurt and some unsweetened apple sauce. I have a raspberry bush in my back yard and they pick off the fruits, so my guess was that dogs will eat fruits if available by nature. I hope to switch to raw completly one day, but I'm still dealing with the "icky" factor on my part! I don't care how cute my dogs are but when they're covered in raw meat/bone matter then I can't cuddle and kiss them, lol. So they either get a bath or I wipe them down with a white vinegar/water solution after a raw feeding. To conclude my findings; what I can tell you is that my older dog has dental problems and since he's 11 years old now I refuse any more anesthesia for him and RAW meaty bones have cleaned his teeth up! That's got to be healthy in my book!

Yorkieluv · 06-05-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by chickendido

I feed a combination of things as my 2 Yorkies don't agree to like the same stuff. When I need to board them, then I feed Orijen and Avenger, but I put their Enzymes, Missing Link, Multi Vitamin and Bone Meal in with their pre meassured baggies. Most of the time I feed raw now. Only some things though. I don't toss them a whole rabbit carcass, lol. When they eat raw, then no veggies and no supplements of any kind. When I cook for them, then I mix in RAW pulverized veggies, an egg (protein!!!) and their supplements. When you cook the meat, then the nutrients that are found in raw meat get lost. That's why the veggies. But I don't feed grains! The dogs like it, but it's just a filler. The dog's digestive tract is short, made for raw meat. Food doesn't and shouldn't stay in their body long. Grains are carbs. Dogs can't digest carbs, so it turns into sugar thus getting fat. It's a myth that high protein is bad for dogs with kidney problems. Canine was designed by nature to deal with high proteins! As to fruits; As a treat I provide them with organic (live cultures!) non flavor yoghurt and some unsweetened apple sauce. I have a raspberry bush in my back yard and they pick off the fruits, so my guess was that dogs will eat fruits if available by nature. I hope to switch to raw completly one day, but I'm still dealing with the "icky" factor on my part! I don't care how cute my dogs are but when they're covered in raw meat/bone matter then I can't cuddle and kiss them, lol. So they either get a bath or I wipe them down with a white vinegar/water solution after a raw feeding. To conclude my findings; what I can tell you is that my older dog has dental problems and since he's 11 years old now I refuse any more anesthesia for him and RAW meaty bones have cleaned his teeth up! That's got to be healthy in my book!

This is all very good advice

The raw pulverized veggies are a much better concept than cooking away the nutrients! I usually juice a celery stalk or half a zucchini and give it to them in the mornings, but for the recipes, I lightly steam them, but even then you run the risk of losing the nutrients...So, no more cooking the veggies, just juicing and pulverizing

Thanks for the tips, I always forget about pulverizing the veggies!

But I do want to mention that many dogs with kidney problems really can NOT have meat...It's not a myth. Dog with ammonium urate stones cannot have anything that's high in purines(ie. organ meats, red meat, chicken, fish), I know this from experience. And it's not good for a dog with liver shunt/mvd or other liver diseases.

eaglez28 · 06-05-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojolim

I have been feeding Jin-Ju Royal Canin puppy food that was given to her from the breeder. I recently went into Bark n' Fitz and noticed a food called Orijen. So I did some research and saw some great reviews about it. But when I looked closely, I saw that the protein was 42%. Is that too high to be feeding such a small puppy? Or even a toy breed? I would like to switch her to an all natural food without any by products. I live in Canada, so some of the ones in the US are not available here. Any suggestions? How much protein should a puppy be getting anyhow?

I have 4 Yorkies & my male Scruffy has had 2 Pancreatitis Attacks lately.
I was feeding Puppy Food with high protein & fat (Even though I have 2 Adults, 1 teen & 1 puppy).
I am now feeding them Natural Balance Potatoe & Duck dry food & Canidae Lamb & Rice Dry food. Both are for ALL Life Stages & High Quality Dog Food.
Here is the link to Dog Food Ratings:
http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_f...iews/index.php

chickendido · 06-05-2007, 12:37 PM

But I do want to mention that many dogs with kidney problems really can NOT have meat...It's not a myth. Dog with ammonium urate stones cannot have anything that's high in purines(ie. organ meats, red meat, chicken, fish), I know this from experience. And it's not good for a dog with liver shunt/mvd or other liver diseases.[/QUOTE]

I am a member of a RAW feeding chat group on yahoo. There is a major difference between BARF and RAW. I too have a dog with "Off" BUN levels. Since feeding mostly raw, it has actually stabilized! There are many scientific articles relating to this subject, so it's not MY opinion that I gave here. For legal reason I cannot post any links or quotes, but I suggest to anyone to research! We have many pet owners on my chat group who have older dogs, dogs with all sorts of ailments including kidney issues. They all feed raw with incredible success and actually turned their dog's health around! The difference lies with what kind of proteins! There's a wealth of information out there and there's much to learn! I don't want to dissagree with anyone on anything on here and we all have to figure out what works for them and their dogs.!

06-05-2007, 06:28 AM	#1
Mojolim Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mississauga Posts: 75	High Protein Dog Food I have been feeding Jin-Ju Royal Canin puppy food that was given to her from the breeder. I recently went into Bark n' Fitz and noticed a food called Orijen. So I did some research and saw some great reviews about it. But when I looked closely, I saw that the protein was 42%. Is that too high to be feeding such a small puppy? Or even a toy breed? I would like to switch her to an all natural food without any by products. I live in Canada, so some of the ones in the US are not available here. Any suggestions? How much protein should a puppy be getting anyhow?

06-05-2007, 07:01 AM	#4
Mojolim Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mississauga Posts: 75	Thanks! Thanks for your response. I'll try to locate these foods.

06-05-2007, 08:00 AM	#6
Wylie's Mom Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 35,889 Blog Entries: 2	You know what is SO confusing about this? Most raw or near-raw diets are practically 100% protein - and are viewed as the healthiest diet of all for our carnivores. SO, I'm always utterly confused as to why we aim for ~25-30% protein in our kibble vs. a higher %. Why would this be bad? __________________ ~ A friend told me I was delusional. I nearly fell off my unicorn. ~ °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° Ann \| Pfeiffer \| Marcel Verdel Purcell \| Wylie \| Artie °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨°

06-05-2007, 10:14 AM	#8
Mojolim Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mississauga Posts: 75	Oh my! There is so many different opinions on this whole protein thing. As a first time Yorkie owner, there is just so much info you need to digest, especially when it comes to feeding. So...is a high protein diet okay or nay?

06-05-2007, 11:46 AM	#12
chickendido Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2007 Location: In the Real World Posts: 47	Grain/veggies, or not???? I feed a combination of things as my 2 Yorkies don't agree to like the same stuff. When I need to board them, then I feed Orijen and Avenger, but I put their Enzymes, Missing Link, Multi Vitamin and Bone Meal in with their pre meassured baggies. Most of the time I feed raw now. Only some things though. I don't toss them a whole rabbit carcass, lol. When they eat raw, then no veggies and no supplements of any kind. When I cook for them, then I mix in RAW pulverized veggies, an egg (protein!!!) and their supplements. When you cook the meat, then the nutrients that are found in raw meat get lost. That's why the veggies. But I don't feed grains! The dogs like it, but it's just a filler. The dog's digestive tract is short, made for raw meat. Food doesn't and shouldn't stay in their body long. Grains are carbs. Dogs can't digest carbs, so it turns into sugar thus getting fat. It's a myth that high protein is bad for dogs with kidney problems. Canine was designed by nature to deal with high proteins! As to fruits; As a treat I provide them with organic (live cultures!) non flavor yoghurt and some unsweetened apple sauce. I have a raspberry bush in my back yard and they pick off the fruits, so my guess was that dogs will eat fruits if available by nature. I hope to switch to raw completly one day, but I'm still dealing with the "icky" factor on my part! I don't care how cute my dogs are but when they're covered in raw meat/bone matter then I can't cuddle and kiss them, lol. So they either get a bath or I wipe them down with a white vinegar/water solution after a raw feeding. To conclude my findings; what I can tell you is that my older dog has dental problems and since he's 11 years old now I refuse any more anesthesia for him and RAW meaty bones have cleaned his teeth up! That's got to be healthy in my book!

06-05-2007, 06:52 AM	#2
Mojolim Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mississauga Posts: 75	Anyone???

06-05-2007, 06:57 AM	#3
ARCHIE No Longer A Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: NEW YORK Posts: 16,218	I would definately say that is way too much protein for a toydog. Try Canidae or Natural Balance Organic if you can locate them where you live. Their both natural orgainc ingrediants. My dog is on Natural Balance and has been for 2 1/2 yrs. He loves it and I know it's good for him. The protein in the one you are questioning is double the protein in either of these. That's trouble waiting to happen if fed to a small yorkie.

06-05-2007, 07:08 AM	#5
ARCHIE No Longer A Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: NEW YORK Posts: 16,218	Ok there are others also. I believe Merricks and Chicken Soup are also rated very good from the Yt'ers. Also Wellness too.

06-05-2007, 12:37 PM	#15
chickendido Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2007 Location: In the Real World Posts: 47	Protein But I do want to mention that many dogs with kidney problems really can NOT have meat...It's not a myth. Dog with ammonium urate stones cannot have anything that's high in purines(ie. organ meats, red meat, chicken, fish), I know this from experience. And it's not good for a dog with liver shunt/mvd or other liver diseases.[/QUOTE] I am a member of a RAW feeding chat group on yahoo. There is a major difference between BARF and RAW. I too have a dog with "Off" BUN levels. Since feeding mostly raw, it has actually stabilized! There are many scientific articles relating to this subject, so it's not MY opinion that I gave here. For legal reason I cannot post any links or quotes, but I suggest to anyone to research! We have many pet owners on my chat group who have older dogs, dogs with all sorts of ailments including kidney issues. They all feed raw with incredible success and actually turned their dog's health around! The difference lies with what kind of proteins! There's a wealth of information out there and there's much to learn! I don't want to dissagree with anyone on anything on here and we all have to figure out what works for them and their dogs.!