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04-11-2007, 10:47 AM | #1 |
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| Liver Shunt question...... Is liver shunt inherited or can it just happen? I should add that I'm asking out of pure curiosity...not because either of my boyz are having any health issues. Last edited by my2boyz; 04-11-2007 at 10:50 AM. |
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04-11-2007, 10:54 AM | #2 | |
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You might want to do a google search on Dr. Tobias or Dr. Susan Centers, both these vets are at the forefront of LS.....
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04-11-2007, 02:35 PM | #3 |
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| Liver shunts that are common in yorkies are inherited...So they have them from the time they are born, and you may not see symptoms until they are months or maybe even 1 or 2 old or they may not show symptoms at all. Many people have found out their yorkies have liver shunts/mvd simply through a pre-op bloodwork for a teeth cleaning or spay/neuter. There are also acquired shunts which develop later in life...
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04-11-2007, 03:26 PM | #5 |
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| So far any bloodwork I've had done on my boyz has been normal and to be honest...I didn't know that was something to ask about when looking for a puppy. My concern is for the future because I'd love to add a little girl to our family at some point. However, if a LS may not show up until later in life or they can even be aquired...how can I be assured that I wouldn't have to worry about a LS? |
04-11-2007, 03:43 PM | #6 |
Donating YT 30K Club Member | I think the only way to make sure they don't have LS is to ask the Breeder to do a Bile Acid test before buying. Since it is from birth it will show elevated levels if they have it. Cali has a mild internal liver shunt that was diagnosed at 8 months. I didn't know about it until I joined YT.
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04-11-2007, 03:45 PM | #7 |
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| So if they have a normal bile acid test when they're young I wouldn't have to worry about it later? |
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04-12-2007, 07:13 PM | #9 | |
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When I said that a dog can have an acquired shunt, I mean that they can get it when they're 7 or more yrs old...Just like they can get kidney problems or whatever. You can never be positive that your dog is never going to get sick. Just like humans, dogs can get sick. BUT as far as the liver shunts go, it is a genetic disease, and the bile acid tests (where they do pre and post meal tests) is the best way to test for a liver shunt. So please, before you get your next dog, have her bile acid tested...Any reputable breeder should not have a problem with that request Good luck finding your new pup! You may want to google: Dr. Tobias liver shunts Terri Schumsky liver shunts to learn more about liver shunts and the importance of bile acid testing.
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04-12-2007, 07:28 PM | #10 |
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| Thank you Yorkieluv...one more question. If the parents have been tested is it still necessary for the puppy to be tested? |
04-12-2007, 07:37 PM | #11 |
Donating YT 30K Club Member | Fortunatley Cali's is very mild. She has the internal shunt which can't be operated on. She was very sick when she was younger and they diagnosed the liver shunt after Bile Acid tests came back high and then did a Liver biopsy.So far she is doing good.
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04-12-2007, 08:27 PM | #13 |
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| No problem Yes, the pups still need to be tested...Even if the parents are tested, and they don't have a liver shunt, that does not mean that they aren't carriers of the gene. If they are carriers, their pups can have a liver shunt. As far as I know, there is no positive way to test if parents are carriers. So, they may be carriers and not have liver shunts, but may pass the gene down to their pups and they can have liver shunts. Does that make sense? It's kind of confusing the way I wrote that! LOL So anyway, yes, the pups need to be tested as well.
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04-13-2007, 01:54 AM | #14 |
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04-13-2007, 04:51 AM | #15 | |
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