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10-10-2017, 04:49 AM | #1 |
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| No Anesthesia Teeth Cleaning Has anyone ever tried a non anesthesia teeth cleaning done by a vet/doggie dental hygienist? I've seen this advertisement floating in our area and its half the cost of the dental completed by our vet. I was just curious to know has anyone ever tried it and what the results could be like. Emma is 3.5 and due for a dental but our vet charges quite a bit and I'm a bit nervous about putting her to sleep so this may be an option.
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10-10-2017, 08:01 AM | #2 |
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| It’s not safe. Water is used when cleaning the teeth the right way and if not intubated water goes down into the lungs and then there is possible pneumonia. To properly clean the teeth you have to go under the gum line and that is uncomfortable. Scaling the teeth and polishing the teeth also can’t be done unless the dog is under anesthesia. If they scrape the teeth it leaves groves and if they do not polish those they are going to be breeding grounds for bacteria. I also think it could be traumatizing for a dog. Anesthesia is perfectly safe when blood work is done before hand. I wouldn’t waste my money on the non anesthesia cleaning because pretty soon after you will probably end up having to do one at the vets office under anesthesia anyway.
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10-10-2017, 09:22 AM | #3 |
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| This does not sound good: What is an Anesthesia Free Pet Dental Cleaning? You might have heard about anesthesia free dental cleanings from a local groomer, pet store, word of mouth or even some veterinary providers. Commonly known as anesthesia free dental cleanings, the practice involves scaling (scraping with an instrument) of a dog or cat’s teeth without putting the pet under anesthesia. Veterinarians often refer to the practice of scaling the teeth without anesthesia as non-anesthesia dental scaling (NAD or NADS), as the term “cleaning” is misleading to pet owners who have the impression that after one of these procedures, their pet’s mouth is clean and healthy. It may sound like a great option, but what exactly does this procedure involve? Nobody could expect a dog or cat to patiently sit like this through exam, cleaning, cleaning below gumline and radiographs. First, the title of the procedure is accurate in that there is no anesthesia involved. This means your pet must be physically restrained, some at higher levels than others, in order for the provider to access the animal’s teeth. A provider will often tell a pet owner it is just like a human going to the dentist, which is absolutely not the case. While some pets may appear to tolerate this restraint better than others, your pet is still being restrained for a lengthy period of time with no ability to understand why or what is happening to them. How many people actually enjoy sitting in the dental chair, holding their mouth open while a dental hygienist scrapes mineralized tartar from their teeth? Imagine how a pet, who can’t communicate, feels when the NAD provider holds open their mouth and attempts to do the same. We can understand what the dentist or hygienist is doing and can be asked to hold still and relax, but the pet does not understand and thus will frequently require a traumatic restraint process. The next step is using a sharp instrument to remove plaque from the visible part of the tooth, or scaling the crown of the tooth. The discoloration of your pet’s teeth is essentially layers of plaque and bacteria that have built up over time, which is only eliminated from the visible portion of the tooth by using a sharp hand instrument called a scaler. Consider your visits to the dentist and the minor scaling that sometimes has to be done to remove some of the tiny spots of plaque build-up. Now, take a look at your pet’s teeth and think about how it might feel to have that amount of build-up scraped from your teeth. It certainly could cause a great deal of discomfort and pain to your pet. At the end of the anesthesia free dental procedure, the outside surfaces or your pet’s teeth may appear visibly whiter. However, there is much more than meets the eye. Because your pet wasn’t under anesthesia, there was no ability to clean beneath the gumline where the bacteria that causes periodontal disease occurs and causes bad breath and extensive damage to tooth roots and supporting bone structure. White teeth do not mean a clean and healthy mouth. This is the most unfortunate misconception by many loving pet owners, who don’t realize the potential oral health problems that sit beneath their pet’s gums.
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10-10-2017, 09:28 AM | #5 |
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10-10-2017, 10:11 AM | #6 |
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| OMG I recently saw a horror story on Facebook about one of these dentals. I spoke in the past with the vet dentist I have used on occasion and she said these are bad, bad, BAD!! First of all, most dental issues are under the gum line.....a really GOOD dental includes dental xrays. I have been told that vets really should not do dentals without doing dental xrays....BUT, it is still safer to do that than to do an anesthesia free dental. I have had pups lose teeth due to stuff seen under the gum line where their teeth didn't look so bad to me. I saw the xrays and knew it was necessary. I am going to search on FB to see if I can find that story about that poor dog. It was horrifying. I HATE that people are pushing these dentals....they do this by using the fears of people of anesthesia when in fact anesthesia done properly is perfectly safe.
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10-10-2017, 10:14 AM | #7 |
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| Here is a website for you to peruse....note that they do have an entire section about anesthesia free dentals. These are the experts on dental health in our pets: https://www.avdc.org/ Yes, dentals are pricey but a necessary part of caring for a yorkie. I go over this with everyone I adopt to.....not something you want to short cut on if you want a healthy pup.
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10-10-2017, 05:28 PM | #8 |
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| Never! The trauma of it could affect your dear baby for a long, long time. It terrifies many dogs to be restrained against their will, unknowing what's about to happen, and then awful things stuck in their mouths and the seemingly unending scaling about the tender gums, then unremitting gum pain they can't stop as the instrument is slid between the oh-so-tender, too-often swollen, red and irritated, gum tissue where it meets the surface of each tooth, throughout the mouth. Never subject your baby to that while awake!
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10-11-2017, 05:12 AM | #9 |
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| Oh wow, thanks guys! I can see the perspective and you're right you get what you pay for.
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10-11-2017, 05:22 AM | #10 |
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| Rachel, I also share your concerns about the anesthesia. With the dental options currently available, I would definitely go with the dental under anesthesia. Doing the pre-anesthesia blood work rules out many of the health concerns and makes the procedure relatively safe. I am one who always has phone in hand waiting for the "all ok" call from the vet any time my girls "go under". |
10-11-2017, 06:08 AM | #11 |
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| I looked for that story on Facebook, but cannot find it. It was really horrifying...the woman spent a ton of money on her pup after that "dental".....the jaw was fractured and the pup was horribly traumatized. Made me sick reading it...thankfully all ended up ok but what the pup and the owner went through was awful.
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10-11-2017, 06:16 AM | #12 |
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| There are statements about general anesthesia in dogs. If a vet is accredited and following proper protocols the risk of death is almost nil in a healthy pet. Of course it is also very important that all lab studies be done prior to the dental. My vet has a release you must sign if you refuse blood work saying you understand the risks. Here are a couple of links on the topic: https://www.aaha.org/pet_owner/about...rocedures.aspx This link is posted above...reposting it along with a quote from the site regarding anesthesia. The one major thing that you should ALWAYS ask is who is monitoring your pet during the procedure. It should be a person who is there to ONLY monitor how the pet is doing...vital signs and all. That is one very important thing...and sadly some vets short cut on this to save money. Pet Dental Cleaning Questions for Your Veterinarian "Questions about Anesthesia: Proper equipment and monitoring ensures your pet's safety during the anesthetic procedure. Proper equipment and monitoring ensures your pet’s safety during the anesthetic procedure. Do you perform laboratory work for my pet prior to anesthesia? Laboratory work will be recommended by your veterinarian to evaluate your pet’s internal organ function prior to anesthesia. Who performs and monitors the anesthesia process? You should confirm that your pet is monitored under anesthesia by a trained veterinary technician who monitors blood pressure, blood oxygen saturation, end tidal carbon dioxide, electrocardiogram, respiratory rate and body temperature. Intravenous fluids should be administered throughout the procedure to help maintain your pet’s blood pressure and provide intravenous access for additional drugs if they are needed. Your pet should be kept warm with warming blankets during the procedure. Your veterinarian should be happy to discuss every step of the process with you. What is your full anesthesia protocol? You should confirm your pet’s blood pressure and blood oxygen are constantly monitored by a trained veterinary technician, that IV fluids are administered throughout the procedure and pets are kept warm with warming blankets during the procedure. Your veterinarian should be happy to discuss every step of the process with you. Ask for the practice’s anesthetic safety record. AAHA certified veterinary practices are required to keep anesthesia safety records. You can ask about this record and a practice should be more than happy to share this information with you."
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10-11-2017, 06:21 AM | #13 |
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| Let me add this: I have had a lot of dogs over the years...mine and my fosters. They all have had multiple procedures under anesthesia. They all have mostly yearly dentals...some more frequently. I have one foster who had back to back surgeries in about 6 months. 4 to be exact and he was fine. I have never lost a pup during anesthesia and I honestly don't think about it. Could it happen? Yes, but likely to happen ? No. I could get hit by a meteor today but I don't think about that....I suppose that risk is higher...but, I simply don't go crazy over anesthesia. I have full trust in my vet. I know what they do...I have spoken with them at length about their protocols. Would I be devastated? Yes, but I cannot put myself through torture every time one of my pets is being anesthetized.
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10-13-2017, 10:33 AM | #15 |
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| OMG another one.....the last one was done by a groomer (the one where the jaw was fractured). This one was done by a vet (who knows what kind of vet would do that ) .... the poor little yorkie's hip was dislocated during this anesthesia free dental. I wish people could see what these poor dogs are being put through during this awful procedure. It was another person who is afraid of anesthesia...well, guess what...now the pup had to have anesthesia to have the hip placed back....and if it doesn't work (which it usually does not) she will need surgery (FHO) .... and more anesthesia. I was going to copy/paste it but I dont want to upset this owner. She is already very upset. I wish I could help people understand that anesthesia is safe if done correctly.
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