Royal Canin or Wellness?

[4OC]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

That's a bit rude. Do you think I just put fake pictures up lol. I have three and I have put a lot of research in. You wouldn't eat raw chicken though just think about it. They also shed it in their feces. It's the whole vet association that's against it and think it's a bad idea and I personally agree with them. I don't force opinions on others I give my opinion but just because I disagree with you and want others who read these post to look at other opinions dosent mean I forcing it. The issue is if you never open up your mind to look at all the information you never learn. Not that I have to defend myself to you but there is a member who lives near me from this forum who has actually met me and my dogs. There are also several people on this forum who are my friends on fb and see me post pictures or videos daily of my dogs. You need to settle down a bit and not get so angry and acuse people of things when you get mad because they have a different opinion then you. It's possible to share an opinion with out attacking.

You said it to me. That you don't know if I have yorkies or if I am just here to push my business. So if the shoe fits. You seem to be able to dish it out but not take it in return. If you don't like what I say so what. Again I posted a different opinion. You can say you are doing this but I cannot. I also have pictures of my Prince Charming on this site. You seem to think no one has the right to disagree with your opinion. You have been very rude to me.
I do not push my school. I do not have a website for this very reason. I do not make people raise 5-25,000 dollars before they can get a dog. I do not charge a penny for their dog. I don't need to. I know you most likely think I don't know what I am doing. You have implied it Every time you have replied to one of my posts. I have been training dogs for over 50 years. I'm now doing what I grew up loving to do and love it even more because I am able to help others live a more normal life.

I'm a bit rude?? Go read your posts back to me and you will find you have contradicted everything I have posted. You are the one that is being rude. Like you just said other people have different opinions.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by 4OC

You said it to me. That you don't know if I have yorkies or if I am just here to push my business. So if the shoe fits. You seem to be able to dish it out but not take it in return. If you don't like what I say so what. Again I posted a different opinion. You can say you are doing this but I cannot. I also have pictures of my Prince Charming on this site. You seem to think no one has the right to disagree with your opinion. You have been very rude to me.
I do not push my school. I do not have a website for this very reason. I do not make people raise 5-25,000 dollars before they can get a dog. I do not charge a penny for their dog. I don't need to. I know you most likely think I don't know what I am doing. You have implied it Every time you have replied to one of my posts. I have been training dogs for over 50 years. I'm now doing what I grew up loving to do and love it even more because I am able to help others live a more normal life.

I'm a bit rude?? Go read your posts back to me and you will find you have contradicted everything I have posted. You are the one that is being rude. Like you just said other people have different opinions.

I think your the one who needs to reread the post. I never said you didn't have yorkies I said one of your post sounded like you were pushing your business because it sounded like an advertisement at the end I'm not sure why that would be a negative thing but it wasn't meant as rude at all. And maybe being a vet assistant is what I have always wanted to do and a big part of that is educating others. You I think are taking my words to makeing them seem like something they are not meant to be or possibly in a tone they are not meant to be in. I am VERY passionate about this forum and animal health. Dogs have done a lot for me and I'm actually pretty smart when it comes that. I had the highest grade in my classes and try to do research on things I don't fully understand or know through reputable sources. Heck I learn new stuff on here. Everyone has differing opinions you can't take other opinions as an attack just because they are different.

[sandy simpson]

Love to dream you have been so faithful helping answer my dog food concerns. Im always looking for advice from all of you who take time to share on this site. It's all about our precious dogs. If you own a Yorkie you are blessed with a lot of love.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by sandy simpson

Love to dream you have been so faithful helping answer my dog food concerns. Im always looking for advice from all of you who take time to share on this site. It's all about our precious dogs. If you own a Yorkie you are blessed with a lot of love.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by 4OC

It was my vet that gave me the raw diet. 3 of my animals are on raw and are also therapy animals. My animals Never get food that is not human quality. This is where most problems come from. Rule to live by is IF it is not good enough for me, it is not good enough for my furbabies. Most people who have problems with the raw diet think their animals are trash cans.
Also all you have to do is change the water bowl. Not brain surgeon skills. When have seen or heard of wild dogs or cats making a kill and then stopping to cook their food. These animals are some of the healthiest on the planet. No I am not talking about the wolves or big cats. I'm talking about regular dogs and cats surviving on the streets. Every city has many of them. They always eat raw. Dog/cat food is just a money grabber. BTW, my Yorkie died because of vet recommended food she told me Prince Charming had to have. It killed him in a matter of days. All that was wrong with him was ibd. She did lots of tests, xrays, ekg, and a $5,000 bill of many tests I had never heard of.
I am a Certified Medical Assistant. Have worked 30+ years in the medical field. I stand by the raw diet. I've also researched it and I love feeding it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it but people do have to use common sense.

Two points: (1) Dogs and cats living in the street and eating raw food only live a few years at most. Not to say that raw diets can't work, but please don't try to justify it by pointing to street animals. (2) Human grade chicken is supposed to be cooked before being eaten by humans. I don't know anyone who has intentionally eaten raw chicken. It's an invalid to compare humans eating sushi to dogs eating raw chicken. It's apples and oranges, really. By the way, I got horribly sick eating raw oysters once.

Bottom line, if you want to feed your dog raw food, go ahead. Many have done so successfully. Just be aware that therapy dog organizations and some veterinary organizations are opposed, and have good science to back them up.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by pstinard

Two points: (1) Dogs and cats living in the street and eating raw food only live a few years at most. Not to say that raw diets can't work, but please don't try to justify it by pointing to street animals. (2) Human grade chicken is supposed to be cooked before being eaten by humans. I don't know anyone who has intentionally eaten raw chicken. It's an invalid to compare humans eating sushi to dogs eating raw chicken. It's apples and oranges, really. By the way, I got horribly sick eating raw oysters once.

Bottom line, if you want to feed your dog raw food, go ahead. Many have done so successfully. Just be aware that therapy dog organizations and some veterinary organizations are opposed, and have good science to back them up.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by pstinard

Two points: (1) Dogs and cats living in the street and eating raw food only live a few years at most. Not to say that raw diets can't work, but please don't try to justify it by pointing to street animals. (2) Human grade chicken is supposed to be cooked before being eaten by humans. I don't know anyone who has intentionally eaten raw chicken. It's an invalid to compare humans eating sushi to dogs eating raw chicken. It's apples and oranges, really. By the way, I got horribly sick eating raw oysters once.

Bottom line, if you want to feed your dog raw food, go ahead. Many have done so successfully. Just be aware that therapy dog organizations and some veterinary organizations are opposed, and have good science to back them up.

[2018YorkieMama]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I would go with Wellness, hands down!

Allergies are not only rampant to canines in general - but especially in yorkies - just ask any Vet Derm.

Royal Canin has so many potential allergens in it - I'd avoid it. If a dog is predisposed for allergies - there is really no sense in giving them a red carpet by feeding such common food allergens..whether or not food allergies are present in the dog.

Wellness Core is an excellent food.

Since you're clearly well informed and you are respected in this forum, I'm going to choose Wellness for my puppy when we get her. Thanks so much for your help.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by 2018YorkieMama

Since you're clearly well informed and you are respected in this forum, I'm going to choose Wellness for my puppy when we get her. Thanks so much for your help.

There are many of us on here that are very educated. Like I went to school to be a certified vet assistant. You should keep your pup on the same food the breeder has them on for a few months before switching.

[Britster]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

That's a bit rude. Do you think I just put fake pictures up lol. I have three and I have put a lot of research in. You wouldn't eat raw chicken though just think about it. They also shed it in their feces. It's the whole vet association that's against it and think it's a bad idea and I personally agree with them. I don't force opinions on others I give my opinion but just because I disagree with you and want others who read these post to look at other opinions dosent mean I forcing it. The issue is if you never open up your mind to look at all the information you never learn. Not that I have to defend myself to you but there is a member who lives near me from this forum who has actually met me and my dogs. There are also several people on this forum who are my friends on fb and see me post pictures or videos daily of my dogs. You need to settle down a bit and not get so angry and acuse people of things when you get mad because they have a different opinion then you. It's possible to share an opinion with out attacking.

Pshhh, your Yorkies aren't real. I've never met them or pet them. You clearly are just making them up in your head.

... just kidding (for those who can't read sarcasm).

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Look, I've come a long way in the dog food debate. I've done a 360 and then back again. Do I maybe lean a bit more towards the 'holistic' side (I don't even like that word anymore)? Yeah, I do. But do I also think every dog is different? You bet. There are some dogs who DO NOT DO WELL on raw. There are some who do horrible on kibble. Some who do fantastic on homecooked and others who do not. There are some humans who cannot eat dairy or have gluten - doesn't mean there are not others who CAN.

The problem with trying to correlate the lifespan of a canine to their diet is that there are a lot of very profound factors that need to be taken into account. For example, people's attitudes about the value of pets as family members and the amount of money they're willing to spend on medical care, how veterinary medicine (both preventative medicine and diagnostic/treatment options) has progressed, etc. The fact of the matter is, stray dogs out on the street are NOT eating a balanced raw meat diet. They are getting by on whatever they can find. Dogs by nature are scavengers. And there are many dangers that a stray dog will encounter that will likely shorten their life spans.

I've heard from a few sources that prior to 'kibble', farm dogs were basically fed leftovers or scraps (i.e. culled or dead livestock) or in some cases sort of a cheap cornmeal mush. People weren't going to feed dogs any kind of valuable food (aka good meat) when many were struggling to feed themselves. Feral/stray dogs will eat anything they can get their mouths on from garbage to roadkill to raiding people's gardens to whatever they can catch, but they're definitely not eating the equivalent of what most people feed as a raw diet these days.


The fact of the matter is... dogs are some of the most unnatural mammals on the planet. So what is a 'natural' diet for an essentially man made animal? With the YEARS of selective breeding, modern dogs are about the furthest thing from a wolf.

Again, I'm not going to sit here and spout that kibble is the BEST thing for dogs. By any chance. In the grand scheme of time, it's a fairly new idea. Didn't really take off until the 1940's. Check out this history of kibble (I found it very interesting because I'm a dork like that): Kibble Me This: The History of Dog Food - Neatorama

In the early 1950s, Ken-L-Ration made the jump from radio to TV advertising, running commercials on wholesome show like The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet. ("This dog food uses only USDA, government-inspected horse meat!")

In 1964 the Pet Food Institute, a lobbying group for the now-gigantic pet food industry, began a campaign to get people to stop feeding their dogs anything but packaged dog food. They funded "reports" that appeared in magazines, detailing the benefits of processed dog food, and even produced a radio spot about "the dangers of table scraps."

The dog food industry was spending an incredible $50 million a year on advertising. Commercials centered around the "beef wars," with competing companies all claiming to have the most pure beef. (Bonanza star Lorne Greene did a TV commercial for Alpo …holding a sirloin steak.)

so, I mean, really? Did dogs get by prior to kibble? Yeah. And they've managed to survive as a species through the years.

I really believe homecooking is likely the BEST option if we all could have the luxury/time/money for it. But not everyone does.

I think we all need to do what's best for OUR individual dogs. Some are going to do great on PMR, some on pre-made raw, some on wet food, some on dry food, some mixed with both, some homecooked. Some may only be able to eat an RX food. There is no one be-all in dog food, IMO.

ETA: I still don't condone gross foods like Beneful and Moist and Meaty. or anything similar. They just gross me out

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Britster

Pshhh, your Yorkies aren't real. I've never met them or pet them. You clearly are just making them up in your head.

... just kidding (for those who can't read sarcasm).

___


Look, I've come a long way in the dog food debate. I've done a 360 and then back again. Do I maybe lean a bit more towards the 'holistic' side (I don't even like that word anymore)? Yeah, I do. But do I also think every dog is different? You bet. There are some dogs who DO NOT DO WELL on raw. There are some who do horrible on kibble. Some who do fantastic on homecooked and others who do not. There are some humans who cannot eat dairy or have gluten - doesn't mean there are not others who CAN.

The problem with trying to correlate the lifespan of a canine to their diet is that there are a lot of very profound factors that need to be taken into account. For example, people's attitudes about the value of pets as family members and the amount of money they're willing to spend on medical care, how veterinary medicine (both preventative medicine and diagnostic/treatment options) has progressed, etc. The fact of the matter is, stray dogs out on the street are NOT eating a balanced raw meat diet. They are getting by on whatever they can find. Dogs by nature are scavengers. And there are many dangers that a stray dog will encounter that will likely shorten their life spans.

I've heard from a few sources that prior to 'kibble', farm dogs were basically fed leftovers or scraps (i.e. culled or dead livestock) or in some cases sort of a cheap cornmeal mush. People weren't going to feed dogs any kind of valuable food (aka good meat) when many were struggling to feed themselves. Feral/stray dogs will eat anything they can get their mouths on from garbage to roadkill to raiding people's gardens to whatever they can catch, but they're definitely not eating the equivalent of what most people feed as a raw diet these days.


The fact of the matter is... dogs are some of the most unnatural mammals on the planet. So what is a 'natural' diet for an essentially man made animal? With the YEARS of selective breeding, modern dogs are about the furthest thing from a wolf.

Again, I'm not going to sit here and spout that kibble is the BEST thing for dogs. By any chance. In the grand scheme of time, it's a fairly new idea. Didn't really take off until the 1940's. Check out this history of kibble (I found it very interesting because I'm a dork like that): Kibble Me This: The History of Dog Food - Neatorama



so, I mean, really? Did dogs get by prior to kibble? Yeah. And they've managed to survive as a species through the years.

I really believe homecooking is likely the BEST option if we all could have the luxury/time/money for it. But not everyone does.

I think we all need to do what's best for OUR individual dogs. Some are going to do great on PMR, some on pre-made raw, some on wet food, some on dry food, some mixed with both, some homecooked. Some may only be able to eat an RX food. There is no one be-all in dog food, IMO.

ETA: I still don't condone gross foods like Beneful and Moist and Meaty. or anything similar. They just gross me out

Great post. I loved homecooking but Callie just wouldn't take to it. The biggest issues I have with raw is people ignoring that there could be some health hazards to humans with it. Nothing works for every one or every dog that is for sure.

[Britster]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Great post. I loved homecooking but Callie just wouldn't take to it. The biggest issues I have with raw is people ignoring that there could be some health hazards to humans with it. Nothing works for every one or every dog that is for sure.

My biggest issue is those who want so badly for raw to work that they let their dog suffer through "detox" and are told that diarrhea, blood in stool, hair loss, throwing up, etc, is "normal". No... then it's not working for your dog.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Britster

My biggest issue is those who want so badly for raw to work that they let their dog suffer through "detox" and are told that diarrhea, blood in stool, hair loss, throwing up, etc, is "normal". No... then it's not working for your dog.

Oh yeah yikes I can't believe people would do that. I tried like everything before Callie was diagnosed with IBD and the prescription food is the only thing that fully worked. Its kinda like my dad is doing well on the Keto diet but that dosent work for me so I am doing weight watchers and we are both doing well but one diet doesn't work for all humans so why would it be that way for dogs.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Britster

My biggest issue is those who want so badly for raw to work that they let their dog suffer through "detox" and are told that diarrhea, blood in stool, hair loss, throwing up, etc, is "normal". No... then it's not working for your dog.

Omg, completely agree!!!

If there is vomiting, diarrhea, etc - just STOP. One doesn't "detox" from eating processed food via those symptoms. Such a total myth.

[2018YorkieMama]

Update: I spoke to the breeder whom I want to buy my puppy from.
The breeder feeds her puppies lean cooked meat and eggs. She also free feeds Royal Canin. I think it would be best to keep feeding my future puppy whatever she is used to eating.