Raw Diet for Yorkies?

[mimimomo]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Not all dog food has that in them and sometimes kibble is the only option. Germs is what I would be worried about not parasites.

We don't really know 100% what type of meat goes into making any kind of kibble...whether it be high end premium from a specialty store or store bought. Especially if the company does not have their own food processing/ manufacturing plant.

Good example is the whole Diamond pet food fiasco...w/ Blue Buffalo & the recent scandal w/ Evanger's pet food. They tout it's 'human grade' when they recently found pentobarbital in some of their canned food.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

I'm not disagreeing w/ you nor am I dismissing scientific research, I know about the salmonella raw fed dogs shed in their feces. Kibble fed dogs also shed some amount of salmonella.

I get pissed off when some people around my neighborhood don't pick up after their dog...there's children walking to & from school. I always pick up other dog's poop when walking my own dogs...come home w/ a bag full of s*#! LOL.

I was just trying to say, practice safe raw meat handling & you should be fine.

Agreed. And if you have elderly or immune compromised people in the household, be extra cautious.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

We don't really know 100% what type of meat goes into making any kind of kibble...whether it be high end premium from a specialty store or store bought. Especially if the company does not have their own food processing/ manufacturing plant.

Good example is the whole Diamond pet food fiasco...w/ Blue Buffalo & the recent scandal w/ Evanger's pet food. They tout it's 'human grade' when they recently found pentobarbital in some of their canned food.

Sadly, this is generally true. The company might have high standards, but sometimes they get a bad supplier. Pentobarbitol might be coming from euthanized horses. Probably not in a large enough quantity to harm the dog, but it's a sign of sloppy ingredient sourcing. I'm glad that regulatory agencies are testing for things like this. We need more of this (testing).

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

Since we're all here to learn...I was NOT talking about bacteria like salmonella or listeria, etc.
I did not respond to anyone's post, just showing what can be killed by freezing.

I honestly didn't even think about parasites just bacteria.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

I'm not disagreeing w/ you nor am I dismissing scientific research, I know about the salmonella raw fed dogs shed in their feces. Kibble fed dogs also shed some amount of salmonella.

I get pissed off when some people around my neighborhood don't pick up after their dog...there's children walking to & from school. I always pick up other dog's poop when walking my own dogs...come home w/ a bag full of s*#! LOL.

I was just trying to say, practice safe raw meat handling & you should be fine.

In our old neighborhood I was tempted to sit outside with poo bags and say hey need a poo bag for that I have some! It was awful. Unless you have an low immune system then you might not be fine.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

We don't really know 100% what type of meat goes into making any kind of kibble...whether it be high end premium from a specialty store or store bought. Especially if the company does not have their own food processing/ manufacturing plant.

Good example is the whole Diamond pet food fiasco...w/ Blue Buffalo & the recent scandal w/ Evanger's pet food. They tout it's 'human grade' when they recently found pentobarbital in some of their canned food.

Evangers has an FDA warning out against them for years. The meat in the prescription food I feed is man made so I feel pretty good about it. I don't know what I will do when I don't have Callie anymore although I hate to think about not having her. Joey will only eat kibble I'm not joking he will eat a few bites of chicken and some veggies and fruit but he prefers the kibble. Penny will eat any and everything lol. It was so funny with Penny because after her spay and baby teeth being pulled they recommended wet food fo a few days and I thought it was a good way to spoil her a bit. Well when I went to get it I bought several different kinds because Callie was very picky and after her surgerys I tried a million different kinda and she didn't eat much and with Joey I tried a million different puppy foods when we got him but he wanted Callie's dry food so I wasn't sure how Penny was going to be. She loved all of them and ate them all well and no tummy issues. She is a tank lol.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by pstinard

Sadly, this is generally true. The company might have high standards, but sometimes they get a bad supplier. Pentobarbitol might be coming from euthanized horses. Probably not in a large enough quantity to harm the dog, but it's a sign of sloppy ingredient sourcing. I'm glad that regulatory agencies are testing for things like this. We need more of this (testing).

I was wondering if it had come from euthanized animals.

[JennaPenny]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Vets and certified vet techs are required to have a certain amount of continuing education every certain amount of years. I think saying they push certain foods just because of what they are taught to a certain extend is correct because they learn the why and how those foods are good for dogs and they know there is science behind it and stuff that can be proven.You got lucky with your labs because feeding an unbalanced meal like that can cause bone loss and other serious issues. It says a lot to me that therapy dogs are not allowed to be fed raw food. I just don't think it is safe but I think homecooking is awesome and a much better and safer alternative for those against kibble.

They might be required-but few do very little beyond the cursory courses. Chewie's vet for instance, she didn't HAVE to continue to take courses that made her surgeries amazing. Nor did the man that I'm speaking of have to do what he did, because no one else did in that clinic. Not as much as he does.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I was wondering if it had come from euthanized animals.

Here is the FDA warning about pentobarbital in Evanger's dog food: https://www.fda.gov/animalveterinary.../ucm542265.htm . The details are rather yucky, and apparently some dogs did get sick from eating it. Evidently, their beef was poorly sourced from non-USDA facilities. Here is what it said about the beef: "Testing by USDA-FSIS of Evanger’s Hunk of Beef confirmed that the meat used in the product was bovine (beef). Trace amounts of pork and equine were also found, but both were less than 2% and therefore considered by FSIS as ‘not reportable.’" Only small amounts of horse meat. So the pentobarbital must have come from euthanized cows. Of course, Evanger's blames the FDA for pentobarbital being in their meat source, but Evanger's has a basic misunderstanding of the meat inspection process, and the buck ultimately stops with them. They knew their meat source was not "human grade." More details in a fairly balanced article here: Evanger?s blames supplier, FDA, for Pentobarbital in dog food | Food Safety News

(Sorry for veering off topic.)

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by JennaPenny

They might be required-but few do very little beyond the cursory courses. Chewie's vet for instance, she didn't HAVE to continue to take courses that made her surgeries amazing. Nor did the man that I'm speaking of have to do what he did, because no one else did in that clinic. Not as much as he does.

I don't know that that is true my instructor talked to me about some of the continuing ed things she goes to and the ones that the vets at her practice go to. Just because he was very informed more so then other people in that clinic dosent mean others don't do the same thing in other clinics. Most vets will choose continuing ed in things that interest them unless for some reason they wait until the last minute.