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06-28-2017, 02:58 AM | #16 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | I honestly do think, with all due respect to EVERYone, that people really get excessively overwrought about "germs, germs, omg, GERMS!". 12,410 = the number of raw meals I've fed over the last 8 years. 0 = the number of issues I've had with these "rampant and dangerous germs" from raw food Just sayin'. The fear surrounding raw food does not correlate to the REALITY of actually feeding it. I don't know a single, solitary other raw feeder who has had problems with germs either. Sometimes what one learns in classes or online is not actually what one experiences in reality. I learned that firsthand after getting my bachelors degree in nursing too, btw. The texts and classes say one thing, reality is another. Save Save
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06-28-2017, 03:25 AM | #17 | |
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My biggest pet peeve is with people who promote misinformation. (I'm not talking about you, Ann.) It makes me a little leery about whether they can handle the added responsibilities of raw feeding. But if someone has done their due diligence and is not endangering anyone else, it can work. | |
06-28-2017, 03:55 AM | #18 | |
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I don't want to imply there *can't* be an issue...I'm sure a possibility / potential is there. But I haven't experienced any issues at all with germs, and I'm not especially careful of them at all. Yup - misinformation is often an uphill battle!
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06-28-2017, 07:36 AM | #19 | |
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__________________ Taylor My babies Joey, Penny ,Ollie & Dixie Callie Mae, you will forever be in my heart! | |
06-28-2017, 07:37 AM | #20 | |
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__________________ Taylor My babies Joey, Penny ,Ollie & Dixie Callie Mae, you will forever be in my heart! | |
06-28-2017, 02:39 PM | #21 |
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| About the freezing & killing of parasites in raw meat...I think it works for mainly fish & wild hunted animals. Most raw feeders are very careful in resourcing their raw meats, most come from local butchers & suppliers of human grade fresh meats. I would be more concerned about the 4D meats (dead, diseased, dying & disabled animals) that go into making kibble. Just sayin. Myths About Raw: Will my dog aquire parasites from raw meat? Freezing meat can help kill many parasites (such as the parasite present in salmon that CAN cause a deadly disease in dogs; freezing fresh raw salmon, steelhead, trout, and other salmonids for at least 24 hours before feeding effectively disposes of the parasite. Cooked salmon does not carry the parasite.). As long as one exercises caution in obtaining their meat, parasites are a non-issue. If feeding fresh salmonids or wild game, it is recommended that the meat be deep frozen for at least 24 hours before feeding for salmonids and one month for wild game.
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06-28-2017, 02:54 PM | #22 |
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| Look @ it this way...when it comes to germs/ bacteria, etc... When you handle & cook raw chicken or a steak, did you ever get sick? Not really, bc you make sure you're handling the raw meats safely, clean the prep area. Same w/ their raw food. Do you disinfect the sponge? Not really right? You just use it on all the other dishes...nobody got sick right? I personally have a separate sponge just for their glass bowls. But I have used their sponge by mistake to clean human dishes! gasp LOL but I knew it was cleaner than our sponge bc I use hot water on theirs' & not really on ours'.
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06-28-2017, 03:50 PM | #23 | |
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06-28-2017, 03:56 PM | #24 | |
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06-28-2017, 05:12 PM | #26 |
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| One last article, with quotes. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2684052/ "This study explored the impact of feeding raw meat to dogs on the fecal prevalence of several enteric bacterial zoonotic pathogens. Campylobacter jejuni was isolated from 1/42 (2.6%) raw meat-fed dogs. Salmonella enterica was isolated from 2/40 (5%) of the raw meat feeds, 6/42 (14%) raw meat-fed dog feces, none of the dogs that did not receive raw meat (P = 0.001), 4/38 (10.5%) of the vacuum cleaner waste samples from households where raw meat was fed, and 2/44 (4.5%) of vacuum cleaner waste samples from households where raw meat was not fed to dogs (P = 0.41). Responses to a questionnaire probing practices and beliefs regarding raw meat feeding that was administered to dog owners demonstrated that dog owners may either not be aware or refuse to acknowledge the risks associated with raw meat-feeding; thus, they may neglect to conduct adequate intervention strategies to prevent zoonoses among themselves and their families." |
06-28-2017, 05:43 PM | #27 | |
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06-28-2017, 05:45 PM | #28 | |
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__________________ Taylor My babies Joey, Penny ,Ollie & Dixie Callie Mae, you will forever be in my heart! | |
06-28-2017, 06:22 PM | #29 |
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| Since we're all here to learn...I was NOT talking about bacteria like salmonella or listeria, etc. I did not respond to anyone's post, just showing what can be killed by freezing.
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06-28-2017, 06:30 PM | #30 | |
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I get pissed off when some people around my neighborhood don't pick up after their dog...there's children walking to & from school. I always pick up other dog's poop when walking my own dogs...come home w/ a bag full of s*#! LOL. I was just trying to say, practice safe raw meat handling & you should be fine.
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