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08-08-2015, 06:55 PM | #1 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Akron,Ohio,USA
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| yorkie mom feaking out about possible incomplete vaccines I am mom of Izzy my almost 9 month old teacup yorkie. She was born at the end of November and weighs 6.7 pounds. I am feeling like a POS puppy mom because I think I haven't gotten her vaccines correctly. I got her in mid February from a breeder when she was almost 12 weeks old. They recommended not getting her vaccines until her second vet visit. Her first vet visit was 2 days after she came home. They checked her stool for worms which was negative. About a week later I brought her to the vet because she was sick. She had an upper respiratory infection and was put on antibiotics. Shortly after this I separated from my husband of 10 years and my youngest (of 2) sons was diagnosed with severe autism, he is 3. I was in a very difficult place financially and was left with no vehicle. For this reason I have been unable to take her to the vet to get the rest of her shots. I was under the impression by the vet that she needed one more shot to complete a series and then would need a rabies vaccine and then she would be done. Last week I took her to a local vaccine clinic that is run by rescue organization. All of the proceeds go to the rescue center so the vaccines were very affordable. I brought all of Izzy's paperwork from the breeder and all of the papers from her vet visits. It was a crowded somewhat unorganized clinic. The tech said she just needed the rabies vaccine so that is the only vaccine Izzy received. She was tested for heartworms and tested negative. We also received a flea/tick/heartworm topical treatment to administer after her next bath and grooming session. Now that I am looking online I am freaking and panicking that Izzy doesn't have everything she needs. She did get some vaccines at the breeder but I don't think her series are complete. Izzy does not go on walks or out of the house. She pees and poops on puppy pads. I had read that you aren't supposed to let them out of the house until 2 weeks after vaccines are completed. She doesn't go to the groomer. I bathe, groom and trim her nails. I am going to try to post a picture of her papers from the breeder. Can someone please help me figure out what my vaccines my sweet baby is missing? I feel so horrible thinking I put her at risk for illnesses by taking her to that clinic. I thought I was getting her what she needed. I am so confused! I just can't figure out what the recommended vaccines are for teacup yorkies and what she is missing. I am going to try and take a picture of her breeder papers and vaccines right now and try to post that. Thank you for allowing me to join this community. I would really appreciate any help in figuring this out!!!!!!! |
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08-09-2015, 05:24 AM | #2 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | Hi and welcome to YT ! So to me, it sounds like she had *no* vaccines since being with you at all, is that correct? If so, then yes -- you do need to get distemper and parvo, and they will need to be boosted in a year, as will the rabies you got.
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08-09-2015, 09:05 AM | #3 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Akron,Ohio,USA
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| Yes she only got the rabies vaccine here with me. I am posting a pic of her papers from the breeders. Will she need a single dose of distemper parvo or a series? Are these 2 separate vaccinations or is distemper parvo a 2 in 1? Will she need a booster of distemper parvo and rabies at 1 year of age or 1year from when she gets the vaccine? I have seen that it is possible to purchase dog vaccines online. Is it possible to purchase the 1 or 2 that she is missing and administer at home? I am confused by the vaccination names on her papers. Are neo par and galaxy 2 different vaccine for different diseases or for the same diseases just different brand names? Sorry for all the questions and I appreciate all the info and advice and the welcome! |
08-09-2015, 09:25 AM | #4 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Lancaster, ca
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| I think you need to take this pup to the vet and find out what vaccines they recommend. Most vets offices also have vaccine clinics on certain days where you can just gets the shots without a exam if that what you want and the prices are usually reasonable. Just give the vet tech your pups records and they will tell you everything you need to know. Depending on where you live the vet will also tell you what vaccines are needed for your specific area. Some diseases are more common than others in certain areas. I would not order vaccines online as you cant be sure that the freshness/temperature was maintained and this is important in maintaining the effectiveness of the vaccine. |
08-09-2015, 09:34 AM | #5 |
Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas
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| Please do not panic....reputable breeders that actually do give their own vaccinations, usually start at 8 weeks of age, give a series of 3-4 shots (depending on the brand of vaccine used) spaced every 3-4 weeks apart, until the pup is 14-17weeks old. If your breeder used Vanguard Plus 5, all you need are three shots to complete the series. Now, this is why you need to take some deep breaths and calm down. Mothers natural immunity given to her pups starts to disappear from the puppies at 6-8 weeks of age, usually closer to the 8 weeks of age. Studies are being conducted, have BEEN conducted over the last 10-15+ years, which has shown immunity against core diseases can be obtained with just a single shot....the reason we give the series, at 3-4 week intervals, is we are "shotgunning" vaccines at this baby, hoping to hit the minute that baby's natural immunity from mom, drops off to a level where the pup's system will soak up the immunity from the vaccinations we are giving. We know if we "scatter" the vaccines every 3 weeks, for 3-4 weeks, we are going to hit that opening door, and the baby will be protected. Chances are great, your baby is indeed effectively vaccinated, and if you do not take your baby out into the public where he is exposed to all the diseases and unvaccinated dogs running around out there, you are going to be especially safe. For your own peace of mind, when the pup is a year old, I would go ahead and take baby in for his booster shots and then you can rest easy! He will actually be finished with his shots for AT LEAST 3 years, more than likely 7 years, probably for his lifetime. Valid research has shown and is proven, and is being disseminated to the public, slowly over several years so it is easier to swallow, these initial core vaccines given, provide at least 5-7 years protection, possibly a lifetime of protection in the case of some diseases.....your progressive vets are slowly acknowledging the validity of this research.....but vaccines/worming is the bread and butter of vets and they are VERY reluctant to get behind this proven research....if they agree that dogs only need to be re-vaccinated every 3, or 5, or 7 years, that is taking a huge amount of money right out of their pockets.....and they look at it from the angle that dogs/cats have been vaccinated yearly for many, many years with "no adverse effects".....(of course, there are questions being bantered around about why we are seeing so much cancer in our pets, as well as other immune and system malfunctions that develop over the early years.....?) so why give that up? I used to work for a vet many years ago, and vaccinations, spaying/neutering, and worming were the "bread and butter" of the practice.....he did those things yearly, without fail, because it kept his practice thriving and caused "no harm" to the pet.....or so the thinking was back then. Vet medicine is changing to be much more health oriented to the well being of the pet, and vets are adjusting schedules and protocols, that deliver what is best for the pet. |
08-09-2015, 10:02 AM | #6 |
Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas
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| Now, I am seeing that "vaccination record" you have posted.....NeoPar has several different vaccines, some are a whole series and some are JUST against the parvo.....you do not know which one your pup received from what is on that paper. I give my breeding mom NeoPar before she is bred, to protect the pups conceived from the breeding. I then give NeoPar when the pups are 4 weeks old and then start my vaccination schedule at 8 weeks. They get the Vanguard-5 at 8, 11, and 14 weeks of age, and they are completely immunized with the core vaccines..... You cant tell if the NeoPar is just the vaccine for parvo, or if it was one of the series of shots....and I am not clear why mixing different brands of vaccinations is being done there....I would have felt much more secure if she had given 2 of the Galaxy vaccines, simply because I do not know if the NeoPar is a shot of the series NeoPar provides or if it is just the vaccine against parvo......your pup is 9 months old....another 3 months she can have her annual shots given..... CALL your breeder. Ask her exactly which NeoPar vaccine baby was given...was it the dose that is strictly against the parvo or is it one of the series of vaccines NeoPar has....I cant help but wonder why in the world she mixes and matches the meds....why did she just give the NeoPar as first in the series of shots, then switch to another brand of vaccine? And if the NeoPar is STRICTLY just for the parvo, pup would do well with another in the series of puppy shots. It is all so confusing, since the baby is indoors and not picking up germs from all over dog parks, strangers yards, puppy trails, etc., I would just wait until baby is a year old, go get his vaccinations, and you will be on track! |
08-09-2015, 10:17 AM | #7 | |
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08-09-2015, 10:22 AM | #8 |
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| Looking at it again, and realizing the second shot was given at 8 weeks, it probably means the Neopar was a par on protection only.
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08-09-2015, 10:48 AM | #9 |
Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas
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| Depends on which NeoPar pup received....was it just the vaccine against parvo, or was it starting the series of combo vaccines NeoPar now offers....and why didnt the breeder continue with the NeoPar if it was indeed the vaccination series? If it was the NeoPar that is strictly for parvo, that was given way too late....which makes me think it is from the series NeoPar offers. (When I started with NeoPar, they did not offer the series of shots, just the vaccine against parvo, which was to be given when babies were 3-4 weeks old, to take up immunity against parvo from mom, protecting baby until shots were started at 8 weeks old.) |
08-09-2015, 12:24 PM | #10 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Akron,Ohio,USA
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| I took her to a vaccination clinic last weekend and gave them the breeder vaccination record. I went there to start getting her caught up on her vaccines. They only administered the rabies vaccination (she did receive that one I just didn't post that record). The vet tech said I only needed to get the booster for the others at a year. This is why I am confused. I know she was supposed to get more when I brought her home. I didn't get them for her, that is wrong, and my fault and I accept full responsibility for it. Now what I am trying to do right now and figure out is what is the vaccination schedule? What is she missing? What does she need and when and how much? I went to the vaccination clinic thinking they could look at the papers, know what she is missing and get her started on that and it didn't happen. They only do the vaccination clinic the first week of the month and I don't have the money to take her to the vet and pay the vet fee and their super high price for vaccinations. Where do I get the information for what the appropriate vaccination list and schedule is? Once I have that I information would I then call the breeder to have them confirm what she actually received? |
08-09-2015, 12:35 PM | #11 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Akron,Ohio,USA
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| Yorkiemom 1, I am sorry to sound ignorant but what is it that you think k Izzy is missing? I should call the breeder and ask specifically what she got? Once I have that information would you be able to tell me what she is missing? The one year booster for the distemper parvo would be enough to get her fully immunized even if she didn't complete the earlier series? Thank you for all the info, I appreciate it. |
08-09-2015, 02:00 PM | #12 | |
Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas
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NEVER be afraid that a question sounds "ignorant".....this is an important thing you are trying to figure out, it involves the health of your baby and even the LAW in some States, so dont worry!! I am confused also by that piece of paper you have....I can not tell if the Neopar was the first in the series of "puppy shots" or if it was STRICTLY against parvo....they have a whole series of vaccinations now at NeoPar, so that information is important to know. If I were you, I would call the breeder and ask her...."Was the NeoPar shot she got, strictly for parvo or is it one of the series of shots given?" (The one that protects strictly against parvo is given at 4 weeks old, or should be, according to the vet that "invented" it...) If it is the first in the series, just curious why the second shot was not also from NeoPar....why did she change companies? Personally, I dont mix and match my vaccines.... Your baby will be a year old in another 3 months....if this pup is indoors and not cruising all over town, in shopping carts, in petfood stores, walking along trails and sidewalks, picking up every disease put down by every other dog foot in the area, you are going to be fine. When pup is a year old, take her in for her annual vaccinations, I would wait a little longer for another rabies shot, then you are done with your core vaccinations for 3-7 years! Bordetella (kennel cough) is given every 6 months or every year, depending on your vet, and if YOU choose to give it....I do not give it but my dogs are not out in public, at groomers, etc.....I WOULD suggest you insist on the shot rather than the nose drops, which uses a live virus, as it seems the nose drops seems to have a propensity to be followed with a coughing pup that then needs meds to get over that! You showed that paper to the people giving the vaccinations and she told you what you needed....another short 3-4 months, and you can repeat her annual booster shot and you are done! Last edited by Yorkiemom1; 08-09-2015 at 02:03 PM. | |
08-09-2015, 05:49 PM | #13 |
YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Ohio
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| Hi and welcome. I see you're in Ohio too. I live in the Cambridge area and work in a vet clinic in Cambridge. With the vaccine record that you have, I can tell you what our vets would recommend but I'm sure different clinics follow different protocols. We normally do a series of 3 vaccines 3 weeks apart until the puppy is 14 weeks old and give Rabies anytime after 12 weeks. Since your puppy is almost a year old and did have one vaccine, they would most likely give one vaccine (DA2PPL) and booster it in 3 weeks. Then not again for a year.
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08-10-2015, 07:26 AM | #14 | |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | Quote:
THIS is a vaccine overview and typical vaccine schedule: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-overview.html What you get will depend upon what kind of vet you go to. If it's a vet who is *very* familiar w/ Dr. Schultz's research in vaccines, they will give 1 vaccine each of distemper and parvo, then boost in 1 year. If it's a vet who is less familiar w/ Schultz, they will likely want to give the 2 vaccines (parvo and distemper) and then boost it in 2-3 weeks; then boost again in 1 year. So, either of those 2 scenarios is what you're likely to run into. No, I would *not* buy these vax online and attempt to inject them yourself...I'm a nurse, and I won't even give my own dogs their vaccines. It's best to get them from an animal professional.
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08-12-2015, 11:29 AM | #15 |
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