YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community


Welcome to the YorkieTalk.com Forums Community - the community for Yorkshire Terriers.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. You will be able to chat with over 35,000 YorkieTalk members, read over 2,000,000 posted discussions, and view more than 15,000 Yorkie photos in the YorkieTalk Photo Gallery after you register. We would love to have you as a member!

Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please click here to contact us.

Go Back   YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community > YorkieTalk > Yorkie Health & Diet
Register Blogs FAQ Calendar JavaChat Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 04-26-2015, 06:36 AM   #16
Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member
 
ladyjane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 26,172
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lynzy420 View Post
I just bit my tongue off....

Good night all.....(sleepy smiley)....
Quote:
Originally Posted by pstinard View Post
Me too. Good morning! I may have more to say later when my tongue heals.
ladyjane is offline   Reply With Quote
Welcome Guest!
Not Registered?

Join today and remove this ad!

Old 04-26-2015, 06:36 AM   #17
YT 3000 Club Member
 
pstinard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Urbana, IL USA
Posts: 3,640
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by oneofakind864 View Post
I was emailed a list of commercial dog foods that avoid the pitfalls of most commercial dog foods. These are posted in a different thread. Also included with the list was a list of foods that were excluded for a variety of reasons. Some of the reasons may be more or less valid to you individually. But I took the two lists to my vet and he had no disagreements with the information contained in either. Again- The list of "suggested foods" is in a separate post. But these are the brands that you may want to avoid if the ingredients are something you would rather prevent your dogs from ingesting. The main concern is the use of non-human grade products, or ingredients that have a higher "allergy" rate than other options, and/or ingredients that simply are not beneficial to your pets dietary needs...and in some cases potentially detrimental to those needs. The choice is up to you this is just additional information that can possibly help you make a better informed decision.


Also, before any of you get defensive and tell me how long you have been feeding your dogs _______ and they have lived long and healthy lives, let me say I have also fed my dogs the foods in this list. And even though most did live long lives- it makes you wonder if the might have had even MORE time with a higher quality dog food. My last dog developed allergies and kidney problems while eating the Royal Canin Yorkie Blend. And yes my current puppy is on the puppy blend of Royal Canin right now- but I think I will gradually move her to an approved brand. I have nothing to lose and possibly a few extra years with my baby to gain. In my humble opinion... it can't hurt to try. And it might even help- which is the reason for this post.

And again... this is simply a list that has been emailed to me and my vet said he saw nothing wrong or inaccurate with the information contained. He also agreed that the suggested foods had valid points for being considered superior to the foods on this list. I will post the suggested foods in a separate post. But will not include all the reasons or ingredients. If you'd like more detailed information you need to check out the website this information came from. Provided at the bottom of the list.



COMMERCIAL DOG FOOD BRANDS YOU MAY WANT TO AVOID:

Alpo -Use of Chicken By-products and Poultry By-product Meal, Corn as 1st Ingredient

Back To Basics Use of Menadione

Beneful Corn as 1st Ingredient, Use of Chicken By-product Meal & Animal Digest

Bil-Jac Use of Chicken By-products & Chicken By-product Meal

Caribou Creek Use of Chicken By-product Meal, Dried Egg Product, Fish Meal, Poultry Fat, Dried Blood Meal & Fish Oil

Cycle Corn as 1st Ingredient, Use of Chicken By-product Meal, Animal Fat, Animal Digest & BHA/BHT

Eukanuba Use of Chicken By-product Meal, Fish Meal, Dried Egg Product & Fish Oil

Gravy Train Use of Corn as 1st Ingredient, Soybean Meal as 2nd Ingredient, Beef & Bone Meal, Animal Fat, Animal Digest, Beef Broth, Artificial Flavor/Color and BHA/BHT

Iams Use of Chicken By-product Meal, Fish Meal, Dried Egg Product & Fish Oil

Kasco Use of Chicken By-product Meal, Poultry Fat, Fish Meal & Dried Egg Product

Kibbles 'n Bits Use of Corn as 1st Ingredient, Soybean Meal as 2nd ingredient, Beef & Bone Meal, Animal Fat, BHA/BHT, Animal Digest and Artificial Flavor/Color

Natural Balance Use of non-specific Fish Broth, Fish Meal & nonspecific Vitamin K Supplement

Nature's Recipe Use of Menadione

Pedigree Use of Corn as 1st Ingredient, Chicken By-product Meal, Meat Meal, Meat & Bone Meal, Animal Fat, BHA/BHT, Natural Poultry Flavor

PetsMart Use of Animal Fat & Dried Egg Product

Pinnacle Allergen-Free Use of Grapeseed Oil

Precise Use of non-specific Fish Oil & Menadione

Premium Edge Use of non-specific Ocean Fish Meal & Egg Product

Pro Plan Use of Poultry By-product Meal, Animal Fat, Fish Meal, Animal Digest & Dried Egg Product

Purina Dog Chow Use of Corn as 1st Ingredient, Poultry By-product Meal, Animal Fat, Animal Digest & Artificial Flavor/Color

Royal Canin Use of Dried Egg Powder & non-specific Fish Oil

Science Diet Use of Chicken By-product Meal, Animal Fat & Dried Egg Product

Solid Gold Use of non-specific Ocean Fish, Beef Meal & recent "Dry Dog Food Formula Changes" which are cost based (see website "News & Announcements"). Some changes made are positive, however.

Sensible Choice Use of Dried Egg Product & non-specific Fish Meal & Fish Oil

Three Dog Bakery Use of Dried Egg Product

Viand Use of Menadione


www.Healthy-K9.com
Okay, my tongue has healed. The justifications for trashing the dog foods on this list are bogus. One example is menadione (vitamin K). In the small amounts it appears in dogfood, it is safe. See: Vitamin K3 (menadione) in Pet Food: Is It Safe? | The SkeptVet

Likewise, grapeseed oil is safe. Grapes are not safe, but the oil is fine. See: Grapeseed Oil | ASPCA

As in humans, gluten is not a problem for dogs unless they are specifically allergic to it: Is Gluten-Free Dog Food Better? | Dog Allergies to Gluten | petMD

Named sources of proteins and oils are desirable from the point of view of the consumer (so you know exactly what you're getting, and to avoid allergies if your pet is allergic to a specific source), but if the company has nutritionists on staff, and excellent quality control, even that doesn't have to be a problem.

I view this list of dog foods as bogus, at least as far as the reasons given go.
pstinard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2015, 06:40 AM   #18
Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member
 
ladyjane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 26,172
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pstinard View Post
Okay, my tongue has healed. The justifications for trashing the dog foods on this list are bogus. One example is menadione (vitamin K). In the small amounts it appears in dogfood, it is safe. See: Vitamin K3 (menadione) in Pet Food: Is It Safe? | The SkeptVet

Likewise, grapeseed oil is safe. Grapes are not safe, but the oil is fine. See: Grapeseed Oil | ASPCA

As in humans, gluten is not a problem for dogs unless they are specifically allergic to it: Is Gluten-Free Dog Food Better? | Dog Allergies to Gluten | petMD

Named sources of proteins and oils are desirable from the point of view of the consumer (so you know exactly what you're getting, and to avoid allergies if your pet is allergic to a specific source), but if the company has nutritionists on staff, and excellent quality control, even that doesn't have to be a problem.

I view this list of dog foods as bogus, at least as far as the reasons given go.
Yes, and I use Hill's Ideal Balance because of your last sentence. Prior to switching to them, I would shudder every time I heard there was a pet food recall. Of course it can happen with any company, but I like the odds better with the choices I make now.
ladyjane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2015, 06:44 AM   #19
Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member
 
ladyjane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 26,172
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pstinard View Post
Okay, my tongue has healed. The justifications for trashing the dog foods on this list are bogus. One example is menadione (vitamin K). In the small amounts it appears in dogfood, it is safe. See: Vitamin K3 (menadione) in Pet Food: Is It Safe? | The SkeptVet

Likewise, grapeseed oil is safe. Grapes are not safe, but the oil is fine. See: Grapeseed Oil | ASPCA

As in humans, gluten is not a problem for dogs unless they are specifically allergic to it: Is Gluten-Free Dog Food Better? | Dog Allergies to Gluten | petMD

Named sources of proteins and oils are desirable from the point of view of the consumer (so you know exactly what you're getting, and to avoid allergies if your pet is allergic to a specific source), but if the company has nutritionists on staff, and excellent quality control, even that doesn't have to be a problem.

I view this list of dog foods as bogus, at least as far as the reasons given go.
Just gotta say: Your tongue heals faster than mine! When I bite mine it takes days.
ladyjane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2015, 07:18 AM   #20
YT 3000 Club Member
 
pstinard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Urbana, IL USA
Posts: 3,640
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ladyjane View Post
Just gotta say: Your tongue heals faster than mine! When I bite mine it takes days.
I'm in pain, but sometimes you just have to work through it
pstinard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2015, 07:22 AM   #21
YT 1000 Club Member
 
Cherie6446's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: SoCA
Posts: 1,895
Default

This is an interesting thread and I am enjoying it. Wish I could put my two cents in but since Zoey eats RC Gastro Low fat for pancreatatis I have no input. Has anyone seen the ingredients on this RC canned product? I about flipped my wig when I read them but Zoey is doing well eating this stuff and I'm sticking to it.
We can make ourselves crazy trying to do the best we can for our fur babes but I think if you find a food both you and your pup likes then I wouldn't worry about some ingredient that is on someone's " no use" list.
__________________
RIP my darling little Gina
Cherie6446 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2015, 07:45 AM   #22
Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member
 
ladyjane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 26,172
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pstinard View Post
I'm in pain, but sometimes you just have to work through it
One word: stamina!
ladyjane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2015, 07:57 AM   #23
Rosehill Yorkies
Donating YT Member
 
Yorkiemom1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Houston Texas
Posts: 9,462
Default

"Knowledge will set you free"! ......and heal your tongue!.......and keep you upright and confident as dog foods collapse and fall on your left and on your right because they lack an effective quality control department!
Yorkiemom1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2015, 08:22 AM   #24
Rosehill Yorkies
Donating YT Member
 
Yorkiemom1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Houston Texas
Posts: 9,462
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cherie6446 View Post
This is an interesting thread and I am enjoying it. Wish I could put my two cents in but since Zoey eats RC Gastro Low fat for pancreatatis I have no input. Has anyone seen the ingredients on this RC canned product? I about flipped my wig when I read them but Zoey is doing well eating this stuff and I'm sticking to it.
We can make ourselves crazy trying to do the best we can for our fur babes but I think if you find a food both you and your pup likes then I wouldn't worry about some ingredient that is on someone's " no use" list.
I am thrilled Zoey is doing great on the prescription diet formulated by RC!!! If Zoey is tolerating it, enjoying it and eating it and it is helping her with her pancreatitis, THAT is what you are interested in providing for her! That formula is designed to meet the specific requirements of your pup, as are all of RC formulas.....our beloved pets are NOT human and they do not have the same nutritional requirements as we humans do. RC has entire departments for input from scientists, animal nutritionists, researchers, vets, clinical trial specialists, and quality control managers that all work together, to formulate what our dogs need in their diets. Everything in that ingredient list, while NOT appealing for humans to consider as a meal, meet your pup's nutritional requirements to be healthy and thriving!
Yorkiemom1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2015, 08:56 AM   #25
Rosehill Yorkies
Donating YT Member
 
Yorkiemom1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Houston Texas
Posts: 9,462
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by oneofakind864 View Post
As I said.. fed my last little girl Royal Canin for 7 years, until she started throwing it up after eating it. The vet did some tests and she had early stage kidney problems. I'm not saying the kidney problems were from the RC- cuz we really don't know what the cause was. But, in her specific case, the RC was definitely not agreeing with her any longer. So she went to Hill K/D untl that started making her sick and she wouldn't eat it. Then the final years I just made her a Vet nutritionist approved homemade diet for kidneys.

My new puppy is on the Royal Canin puppy mix- and I free feed her that because she is a little nibbler ( just a few kibbles every 15 minutes or so- but not enough at one time to justify only allowing her 15 minutes. But even so-she seems really small and wasn't growing at all. ( She was 1 Lb 3 oz at 7 weeks and was only 1 lb 6 oz when I got her at 11.5 weeks. She stayed that same weight up until 14 weeks. (A week ago) Last friday- I started supplementing with Halo for Puppies and she's gained 2 oz in the last 8 days. She feels like a sturdy little dog now and has a waist without feeling so fragile. So I will keep the mix of both. But I have to admit-I do like the idea of Organic ( for her and me and my husband) And science is great( love that about Royal Canin) but have to admit I DO feel a bit of nervousness to see that term "By product" in a dog food....Even if they say it's the gizzards only rather than the waste other petfood companies use in regards to the term. When it comes to dog food I don't really trust anyone because I know there really aren't many standards and checks and balances out there to keep "corporations" looking for profit and bottom lines " Honest" when it comes to what is best for this little creature I love. When I read a list of ingredients it makes me cringe to hear a statement like "Dogs aren't people- they are dogs with different needs" If that is the case and all these pet food companies are correct in that...why is canine cancer up more than double what it was 40 years ago when most dogs got "Table scraps" rather than scientifically formulated kibbles? In fact why are ALL cancers up in people too for that matter with all the science advances? it's like the more we know...the more we learn we need to know.

Again.. not saying RC is bad...just that I don't think I 100% trust any commercial dog food. That fox guarding the hen house thing I guess. And my common sense tells me some of the ingredients I see used in RC are not "the best" "Gluten" anything makes me squirm. it's just a cheap plan based filler used to boost protein in dog food that would better be filled with actual meat proteins. ALso don't like seeing corn as an ingredient since it is of relatively low nutritional value to a dog. Soy REALLY makes me nervous as it can mess up hormones even in a fixed dog. And cellulose...waste of space in a dog food. No nutritional valise at all to a dog other than perhaps a little " Regularity" with the added fiber.

I may try some of the suggested kibbles that have ingredients I trust more...but like I said. Anything I feed this little girl is going to come with the approval of a nutritionist. It hurts too much to lose one. 12 years was not enough with my last little girl and I want to give Roxie the best chance at seeing 20 that I possibly can. I'm not afraid to spend a little money to get good advice and or on ingredients and a more expensive dog food. The bottom line is I want a happy healthy little fur baby as we all do.

I just thought the list might be of interest to some of the YT members. It was interesting to me at least. and looked like a good place to start. TO be honest the " Dried egg" product that got RC put on the "not recommended" list doesn't bother me so much as some of the ingredients I listed that weren't mentioned. I think eggs are good for little doggies in moderation. There are just so many variables it's hard to figure out what the best route is. I'm just doing the best I can like everyone else.

Thank you so much to all of you who comment. Even if you are playing devils advocate. it makes one stop and think and you DO bring up very valid points.
I appreciate how you feel about what you feed your pup.....we all have preferences in what we consider important in what we feed and even in what we eat. I personally do not critique other dog foods and throw out someones list of what THEY think my dog should be eating, because, as with my own diet, I make my own choices. As far as increases in cancers, I personally think we each have genetic triggers, like allergies, and when we ingest water treated with whatever we personally are sensitive to, or eat from plastic containers that break down and release chemicals that leach into what we then eat, or all the other unknowns we come in contact with everyday, that hit our personal genetic trigger, THAT turns on our individual cancer generator and we develop cancer someplace in our body.

So I concentrated on your statement about your baby living for 20 years. As we all know, all living things have a finite age parameter. Some of us wish we could live forever. We all certainly want our pets to live long healthy lives. The oldest living Yorkie on record is a little Yorkie, Lucy, who is 22 years old, living in Borne, Netherlands. She is in the Guiness Record Book....there is a man and wife in Leeds England, with a Yorkie that they claim is 28 years old. So I went on a hunt for this man and his wife....I am no where the caliber of slueth that some of our members on this forum are....but I did find out the husband has since died, in 2012. I am tryiong to verify what this Yorkie was fed all these years....I received an email from "a friend of the family" , that has told me she thinks that family fed that little dog Royal Canin! Now, I am trying to validate this information....I am trying to get in touch with Kath Aveyard, the wife and owner of little Bonnie, to get it straight from her, that this little dog was fed RC!! Wont this be something if it turns out to be true!!! What a great "positive clinical trial outcome" for RC if that little dog was fed RC!!! (RC is widely and generously used throughout Europe) RC may just be the very thing your little dog needs to keep her around for many, many, many years!

Just thought I would throw this little tidbit into the mix!!

Last edited by Yorkiemom1; 04-26-2015 at 08:58 AM.
Yorkiemom1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2015, 09:14 AM   #26
Yorkie mom of 3
Donating YT Member
 
Lovetodream88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: LaPlata, Md
Posts: 20,473
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by oneofakind864 View Post
As I said.. fed my last little girl Royal Canin for 7 years, until she started throwing it up after eating it. The vet did some tests and she had early stage kidney problems. I'm not saying the kidney problems were from the RC- cuz we really don't know what the cause was. But, in her specific case, the RC was definitely not agreeing with her any longer. So she went to Hill K/D untl that started making her sick and she wouldn't eat it. Then the final years I just made her a Vet nutritionist approved homemade diet for kidneys.

My new puppy is on the Royal Canin puppy mix- and I free feed her that because she is a little nibbler ( just a few kibbles every 15 minutes or so- but not enough at one time to justify only allowing her 15 minutes. But even so-she seems really small and wasn't growing at all. ( She was 1 Lb 3 oz at 7 weeks and was only 1 lb 6 oz when I got her at 11.5 weeks. She stayed that same weight up until 14 weeks. (A week ago) Last friday- I started supplementing with Halo for Puppies and she's gained 2 oz in the last 8 days. She feels like a sturdy little dog now and has a waist without feeling so fragile. So I will keep the mix of both. But I have to admit-I do like the idea of Organic ( for her and me and my husband) And science is great( love that about Royal Canin) but have to admit I DO feel a bit of nervousness to see that term "By product" in a dog food....Even if they say it's the gizzards only rather than the waste other petfood companies use in regards to the term. When it comes to dog food I don't really trust anyone because I know there really aren't many standards and checks and balances out there to keep "corporations" looking for profit and bottom lines " Honest" when it comes to what is best for this little creature I love. When I read a list of ingredients it makes me cringe to hear a statement like "Dogs aren't people- they are dogs with different needs" If that is the case and all these pet food companies are correct in that...why is canine cancer up more than double what it was 40 years ago when most dogs got "Table scraps" rather than scientifically formulated kibbles? In fact why are ALL cancers up in people too for that matter with all the science advances? it's like the more we know...the more we learn we need to know.

Again.. not saying RC is bad...just that I don't think I 100% trust any commercial dog food. That fox guarding the hen house thing I guess. And my common sense tells me some of the ingredients I see used in RC are not "the best" "Gluten" anything makes me squirm. it's just a cheap plan based filler used to boost protein in dog food that would better be filled with actual meat proteins. ALso don't like seeing corn as an ingredient since it is of relatively low nutritional value to a dog. Soy REALLY makes me nervous as it can mess up hormones even in a fixed dog. And cellulose...waste of space in a dog food. No nutritional valise at all to a dog other than perhaps a little " Regularity" with the added fiber.

I may try some of the suggested kibbles that have ingredients I trust more...but like I said. Anything I feed this little girl is going to come with the approval of a nutritionist. It hurts too much to lose one. 12 years was not enough with my last little girl and I want to give Roxie the best chance at seeing 20 that I possibly can. I'm not afraid to spend a little money to get good advice and or on ingredients and a more expensive dog food. The bottom line is I want a happy healthy little fur baby as we all do.

I just thought the list might be of interest to some of the YT members. It was interesting to me at least. and looked like a good place to start. TO be honest the " Dried egg" product that got RC put on the "not recommended" list doesn't bother me so much as some of the ingredients I listed that weren't mentioned. I think eggs are good for little doggies in moderation. There are just so many variables it's hard to figure out what the best route is. I'm just doing the best I can like everyone else.

Thank you so much to all of you who comment. Even if you are playing devils advocate. it makes one stop and think and you DO bring up very valid points.
Unless you went to school for vet nutrition you don't know what a dog needs and it is not the same as what humans need because our body's are different. There are many doctors who say if you are not having bad reactions to gluten going gluten free can be bad for you. Royal canines prescription food saved and made my dogs life massively better much better then any of those limited ingredient holistic company's. In the end I am going to trust my vet and vet nutritionists over just someone's opinion. I just hope everyone knows to do that.
__________________
Taylor, Veterinary Assistant
I Callie CGC NTD, Joey CGC TKA ATD, Penny and Ollie
Taylor's doggy stuff reviews
Lovetodream88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2015, 10:32 AM   #27
♥Love My Puppies!♥
Donating Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: US
Posts: 5,786
Default

Years ago i had a poodle/pug mix named Misty. She was from an "oops" litter when two neighbors dogs met. She was a scraggly looking little thing with one ear up and one ear down. She had a really thin coat of blond hair. And boy that dog could jump, like a cat. She ate canned dog food called Strongheart from the grocery store all her life. It would always be on sale 10 cans for $1.00. I shudder to think of what might have been in that can. She was never sick a day in her life until she was old and eventually went blind and incontinent. I don't even remember her being stiff with arthritis. She was the best dog, she never barked and learned quickly. Once she even fell from a second story balcony and when I looked over expecting to see her dead body, she was walking around in the grass unphased. I don't know how that dog lived to be 20 on that dog food but she did.
__________________
RIP My Sweet Darling Angel Daisy 08/09/03 - 10/02/15, RIP My Sweet Baby Boy Teddy Bear 02/01/04 - 02/11/16
Photos HERE
Doodlebug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2015, 10:46 AM   #28
Senior Yorkie Talker
 
oneofakind864's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: San Jose CA USA
Posts: 128
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 View Post
I appreciate how you feel about what you feed your pup.....we all have preferences in what we consider important in what we feed and even in what we eat. I personally do not critique other dog foods and throw out someones list of what THEY think my dog should be eating, because, as with my own diet, I make my own choices. As far as increases in cancers, I personally think we each have genetic triggers, like allergies, and when we ingest water treated with whatever we personally are sensitive to, or eat from plastic containers that break down and release chemicals that leach into what we then eat, or all the other unknowns we come in contact with everyday, that hit our personal genetic trigger, THAT turns on our individual cancer generator and we develop cancer someplace in our body.

So I concentrated on your statement about your baby living for 20 years. As we all know, all living things have a finite age parameter. Some of us wish we could live forever. We all certainly want our pets to live long healthy lives. The oldest living Yorkie on record is a little Yorkie, Lucy, who is 22 years old, living in Borne, Netherlands. She is in the Guiness Record Book....there is a man and wife in Leeds England, with a Yorkie that they claim is 28 years old. So I went on a hunt for this man and his wife....I am no where the caliber of slueth that some of our members on this forum are....but I did find out the husband has since died, in 2012. I am tryiong to verify what this Yorkie was fed all these years....I received an email from "a friend of the family" , that has told me she thinks that family fed that little dog Royal Canin! Now, I am trying to validate this information....I am trying to get in touch with Kath Aveyard, the wife and owner of little Bonnie, to get it straight from her, that this little dog was fed RC!! Wont this be something if it turns out to be true!!! What a great "positive clinical trial outcome" for RC if that little dog was fed RC!!! (RC is widely and generously used throughout Europe) RC may just be the very thing your little dog needs to keep her around for many, many, many years!

Just thought I would throw this little tidbit into the mix!!


I love all these links and input. It's the kind of thing i was hoping to find when I posted. and I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to know if RC was what they fed the yorkie you are sleuthing out! LOL

Also will look into the hills everyday formula. My other little one did great on the K/d version until it started making her sick and she lost her appetite Then it became a battle to create a diet that met the parameters set out by the vet for what she needed mixed with something that piqued her interest and appetite.


And on on the ingredients thing... I guess I just trust pure non processed ( or processed very little) ingredients that are human grade because I know the things we eat are subjected to minimal checks and balances- and the average person STILL ends up eating so much crap it's astounding!. WIth doggie ingredients...not sure those checks and balances are as enforced or as stringent and THAT is truly scary- given what slips past as OK for humans..I shudder to think what slips past as ok for animals. When I read about treats and dog foods that have been recalled for making little ones sick. My hear always goes out to not only the animals but to the owners who thought they were doing something good for their fur baby. That said... I WOULD LOVE to find that Royal Canin is what kept that little yorkie healthy for almost 3 decades.And it IS what am feeding my current pup and what I fed my last little girl. It has been my "Goto" kibble and it WOULD be SO easy to keep feeding such an easily available kibble with augmented fresh ingredients. After I speak to the animal nutritionist....I'll follow through on what they suggest. Like I said. I want what is best for my dog- and if it is Royal Canin AWESOME.. if it's a more expensive dog food or homecooked( tho not quite as awesome) ...I'll do that too!

12 years may seem like a long time for a doggie- but it wasn't enough for me. And I am continually aware of how precious every day is with these little babies. I had 4290 days with my last girl ( that's not counting the first few weeks of her life when the breeder had her and the couple of vacations we took over the years where She had to stay with "Aunties" or her "Grand mom". I'm shooting for at least 5000 days with my little girl Roxie. Like one poster said nutrition is complicated and all we can do is try to educate ourselves and seek out the best expert advice available and do the best we can.
__________________
"Roxie" my adorable girl & WELCOME "Rascal" the Holy terrier RIP Chanel 4/2003-3/2015

Last edited by oneofakind864; 04-26-2015 at 10:51 AM.
oneofakind864 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2015, 11:44 AM   #29
Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member
 
ladyjane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 26,172
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by oneofakind864 View Post
I love all these links and input. It's the kind of thing i was hoping to find when I posted. and I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to know if RC was what they fed the yorkie you are sleuthing out! LOL

Also will look into the hills everyday formula. My other little one did great on the K/d version until it started making her sick and she lost her appetite Then it became a battle to create a diet that met the parameters set out by the vet for what she needed mixed with something that piqued her interest and appetite.


And on on the ingredients thing... I guess I just trust pure non processed ( or processed very little) ingredients that are human grade because I know the things we eat are subjected to minimal checks and balances- and the average person STILL ends up eating so much crap it's astounding!. WIth doggie ingredients...not sure those checks and balances are as enforced or as stringent and THAT is truly scary- given what slips past as OK for humans..I shudder to think what slips past as ok for animals. When I read about treats and dog foods that have been recalled for making little ones sick. My hear always goes out to not only the animals but to the owners who thought they were doing something good for their fur baby. That said... I WOULD LOVE to find that Royal Canin is what kept that little yorkie healthy for almost 3 decades.And it IS what am feeding my current pup and what I fed my last little girl. It has been my "Goto" kibble and it WOULD be SO easy to keep feeding such an easily available kibble with augmented fresh ingredients. After I speak to the animal nutritionist....I'll follow through on what they suggest. Like I said. I want what is best for my dog- and if it is Royal Canin AWESOME.. if it's a more expensive dog food or homecooked( tho not quite as awesome) ...I'll do that too!

12 years may seem like a long time for a doggie- but it wasn't enough for me. And I am continually aware of how precious every day is with these little babies. I had 4290 days with my last girl ( that's not counting the first few weeks of her life when the breeder had her and the couple of vacations we took over the years where She had to stay with "Aunties" or her "Grand mom". I'm shooting for at least 5000 days with my little girl Roxie. Like one poster said nutrition is complicated and all we can do is try to educate ourselves and seek out the best expert advice available and do the best we can.
We never have enough time with our fur babies.
ladyjane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2015, 02:58 PM   #30
T. Bumpkins & Co.
Donating YT Member
 
107barney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: New England
Posts: 9,815
Default

The RC probably kept her alive and the kidney disease what made her sick. There is no guarantee in life. I personally don't feel I need more time with my almost 15 yo dogs. I would love to have more time but if I don't, they've lived amazing lives as happy pets with all the best I could give them. I'll have sadness but not regret or sorrow. I would enjoy your puppy and don't try to carve out what nature already has. If she's going to get sick, it will happen. If she is going to die early, that's because it was meant to be. Some people are not blessed to have their pets for even 12 years....not 15 certainly. Good luck with your new pup.
__________________
Washable Doggie Pee Pads (Save 10% Enter YTSAVE10 at checkout)
Cathy, Teddy, Winston and Baby Clyde...RIP angels Barney and Daisy
107barney is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off




Google
 

SHOP NOW: Amazon :: eBay :: Buy.com :: Newegg :: PetStore :: Petco :: PetSmart


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:03 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2003 - 2018 YorkieTalk.com
Privacy Policy - Terms of Use

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 751 752 753 754 755 756 757 758 759 760 761 762 763 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 789 790 791 792 793 794 795 796 797 798 799 800 801 802 803 804 805 806 807 808 809 810 811 812 813 814 815 816 817 818 819 820 821 822 823 824 825 826 827 828 829 830 831 832 833 834 835 836 837 838 839 840 841 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 860 861 862 863 864 865 866 867 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 895 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 961 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 1012 1013 1014 1015 1016 1017 1018 1019 1020 1021 1022 1023 1024 1025 1026 1027 1028 1029 1030 1031 1032 1033 1034 1035 1036 1037 1038 1039 1040 1041 1042 1043 1044 1045 1046 1047 1048 1049 1050 1051 1052 1053 1054 1055 1056 1057 1058 1059 1060 1061 1062 1063 1064 1065 1066 1067 1068 1069 1070 1071 1072 1073 1074 1075 1076 1077 1078 1079 1080 1081 1082 1083 1084 1085 1086 1087 1088 1089 1090 1091 1092 1093 1094 1095 1096 1097 1098 1099 1100 1101 1102 1103 1104 1105 1106 1107 1108 1109 1110 1111 1112 1113 1114 1115 1116 1117 1118 1119 1120 1121 1122 1123 1124 1125 1126 1127 1128 1129 1130 1131 1132 1133 1134 1135 1136 1137 1138 1139 1140 1141 1142 1143 1144 1145 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1151 1152 1153 1154 1155 1156 1157 1158 1159 1160