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Old 06-09-2014, 06:30 AM   #16
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I would recommend a probiotic over yoghurt as it doesn't contain the same active ingredients. Lew Olsson's book is great for information.
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right but that would be those who just dont do it all the way around. so agreed on that level but I think for those who are good pet parents it is a direction to consider.

I am going to buy the kit to try my own. i hate feeding my kidz bil jac and it is the only brand they will eat twice a day everyday. it has a nasty preservative in it that I just cannot digest. lol

I consider myself not only a good pet parent but a good human parent too but with all that goes on in my life sometimes you just can't do it all. But if it was an absolute necessity for one of my pups I would take the extra steps to home cook. At one of my last vet visits I started to discuss home cooking with Dr. Young and she was very interested in Dr. Remillard's site and said that there were clients that would love to use a service like she offered. They are not referring clients to her for a balanced home cooked diet for those dogs with issues who's owners are interested in cooking. I just can't love my vets more!
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I am trying to home cook for my 10 year old Yorkie but I am always nervous that she is not getting a balanced diet. Ive read a lot on the internet but I am never really sure if she is getting proper nutrients. I feed a protein (chicken or salmon) rice and a veggie. I am reading more about probitoics and wondering if a teaspoon of yogurt would be a good addition.? I like the idea of home cooking but I am definitely confused about exactly what to feed.
Some here have used this website for home cooking, they also sell a supplement that insures they are getting every nutrient that they need: https://secure.balanceit.com/

Here is a review of the website: Make your own pet food - my review of BalanceIT.com - a site with recipes for how to make your own pet food
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Looks like there are already skeptics of this "study" and its conclusions.

JustFoodForDogs Brings Us Some Classic Marketing Masquerading as Science | The SkeptVet
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Let me address your "news" flash with who and what PR Newswire is and how it works.

PR Newswire is actually a marketing company that is PAID by the product company. For an annual fee of $195 you can become a member and for an additional fee of $495 annually they will keep your commercial/article stored in their Google archives for 1 year. What that mean is when a consumer does an internet search of a topic your advertisement which is written like the one posted by the OPer on this thread it will pop up as a search topic.

Here is a link to their webpage that you can see how to become a member and all of the services that they offer. PR Newswire: press release distribution, targeting, monitoring and marketing

Want more to you advertisement just pay a higher fee and they will Tweet it or add pictures and videos.

This article is nothing except an advertisement for Man's Best Friend. Shawn Buckley who is mentioned in this article was appointed in April 2014. He's his PR Newswire release and the big announcement JustFoodForDogs Appoints New Chief Medical Officer as the Veterinary Nutrition Team Expands

Here's the announcement that Dr. Chavez is now working for the company too.
JustFoodForDogs Appoints New Chief Medical Officer as the Veterinary Nutrition Team Expands

The article that is posted to this thread is actually an advertisement for the JustFoodForDgos company and just hype to sell their products. It's not some type of "breaking news" regarding dog nutrition. It's an OPINION commercial and should be taken as such. But thanks for sharing anyway.....
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It's worth nothing that this company's veterinarian, who once worked for Banfield, while he may be a nice guy and even kinda cute, is not a diplomat of the ACVN and therefore not a veterinary nutritionist.
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Old 06-20-2014, 06:13 AM   #22
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I would recommend a probiotic over yoghurt as it doesn't contain the same active ingredients. Lew Olsson's book is great for information.

Here again, Lew Olson might have written a book about Holistic nutrition but she too has a goal.

Lew has her Masters degree in Social Work and her PhD in Natural Nutrition. She writes a monthly canine nutrition column for the B-Naturals website. So again, she has a vested interest in promoting Holistic with her website.


BTW.....you can get an ONLINE PhD in Natural Nutrition which I find interesting.


Some are so quick to jump on the Iams, Purina, Royal Canin are commercial dog foods but it doesn't take a genius to figure out the Holistic vets are also in it for the money. IMO probably even more so because their practices actually depend on the consumer purchasing their supplements as well as the required TWICE yearly office visits.

I visit the vet yearly, give vaccines as needed dependent upon each dog's needs and a 3 year rabies for each. They are tested year and take HW prevention monthly. Yes, I feed RX kibble because that is what they need. But my vet doesn't require more than one visit yearly and blood. So explain to me how purchasing from a Holistic vet a boat load of supplements, titers instead of vaccines at a 3 year or more rate, blood draws to check for HW (for those HW is poison peps) who instead chose things amber beads and Mosi-Q and vet visits TWICE a year to do all of the above is so not about the money these vets are making. I've heard it over and over that vets make money off the RX food they sell. But what about all of the supplements, blood work for checking HW and titers that are purchased from the Holistic vets?

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It's worth nothing that this company's veterinarian, who once worked for Banfield, while he may be a nice guy and even kinda cute, is not a diplomat of the ACVN and therefore not a veterinary nutritionist.
Well I guess a little eye candy wouldn't hurt unless is contains Xylotol........
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[QUOTE=Lil Sis;4447553]Omg...I teach Food Production and am a fairly good cook (If I say so myself) and I LOVE chef Boyardee--- when I was a kid my mom would buy it by the case for me lol... I thought I was the only person


I just laughed so hard when I read this -- when my son was deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan (5 times) and I would ask him what he would most like for me to send him, he would say a certain cookie he liked and Chef Boyardee Mini Raviolis

I would send them a case at a time and he said guys would follow him around asking it he had gotten a package from his mom lately! They would offer him ridiculous amounts of money for a can😄

I think they ate them cold right out of the can.

Even kids at the local elementary school were sending him cans


As for this food. I have started home cooking for Cali - Dr Remillard diet. Not wanting to criticize my cooking, but she really likes to have some kibbles in it
I think she likes the crunchy part. So sometimes it is like a topper, but more an more we are moving into the home cooked world. All of the recalls freak me out.
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I would never hang my hat on one study.
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I would never hang my hat on one study.
No and this wasn't even a real study.
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Old 06-20-2014, 06:50 AM   #26
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Omg...I teach Food Production and am a fairly good cook (If I say so myself) and I LOVE chef Boyardee--- when I was a kid my mom would buy it by the case for me lol... I thought I was the only person


I just laughed so hard when I read this -- when my son was deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan (5 times) and I would ask him what he would most like for me to send him, he would say a certain cookie he liked and Chef Boyardee Mini Raviolis

I would send them a case at a time and he said guys would follow him around asking it he had gotten a package from his mom lately! They would offer him ridiculous amounts of money for a can😄

I think they ate them cold right out of the can.

Even kids at the local elementary school were sending him cans


As for this food. I have started home cooking for Cali - Dr Remillard diet. Not wanting to criticize my cooking, but she really likes to have some kibbles in it
I think she likes the crunchy part. So sometimes it is like a topper, but more an more we are moving into the home cooked world. All of the recalls freak me out.
That's just too funny!


Dr. Remillard is a great source for home cooking and it I were to ever decide in the future that it was time to feed mine home cooked she would be my choice. I don't think a lot of people understand how domain suffixes are given out.

Believe me I am not an expert but if it says .com they are a USA commercial website selling something (justfoodfordogs.com or Nike.com...etc). But there are also others like for instance .edu which is an US educational site like a school. Another example would .gov which is US government site like say WhiteHouse.gov or the IRS.gov and then there is also .org i.e. Wiki is .org. There are a bunch more for different countries and these are just a few examples.

The internet is overseen by Al Gore (joking ) ICANN/ Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers ICANN - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia so my suggestion is to pay attention to the .com and go from there to decide if it's commercial, educational, organization etc. to help digest what is posted on the internet.
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I would never hang my hat on one study.
If you take a closer look at this "study" it's just a gimmick commercial to sell their products disguised as a scientific research study. So unless you are a savvy consumer which they are hoping you are not you'll fall right into their hype.
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I visit the vet yearly, give vaccines as needed dependent upon each dog's needs and a 3 year rabies for each. They are tested year and take HW prevention monthly. Yes, I feed RX kibble because that is what they need. But my vet doesn't require more than one visit yearly and blood. So explain to me how purchasing from a Holistic vet a boat load of supplements, titers instead of vaccines at a 3 year or more rate, blood draws to check for HW (for those HW is poison peps) who instead chose things amber beads and Mosi-Q and vet visits TWICE a year to do all of the above is so not about the money these vets are making. I've heard it over and over that vets make money off the RX food they sell. But what about all of the supplements, blood work for checking HW and titers that are purchased from the Holistic vets?
Not to get completely off track, but I wonder about this too. I've been to a number of vet hospitals and most do suggest an annual visit and labs. I don't consider labs to be a "requirement" because the only "required" items are the ones that I want to pay for. For me, though, I usually lean heavy toward prevention and this has paid off to early identify problems and try to address them. Looking at your apparently healthy dog bopping around and assuming it is the picture of health is the wrong thing to do in my view because some things can't be seen by an owner at home (e.g. elevated liver enzymes, protein or crystals in urine, thyroid functioning, and the list goes on). So it is a good move in the long term to visit a vet for an exam and have them do some basic labs.
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I visit the vet yearly, give vaccines as needed dependent upon each dog's needs and a 3 year rabies for each. They are tested year and take HW prevention monthly. Yes, I feed RX kibble because that is what they need. But my vet doesn't require more than one visit yearly and blood. So explain to me how purchasing from a Holistic vet a boat load of supplements, titers instead of vaccines at a 3 year or more rate, blood draws to check for HW (for those HW is poison peps) who instead chose things amber beads and Mosi-Q and vet visits TWICE a year to do all of the above is so not about the money these vets are making. I've heard it over and over that vets make money off the RX food they sell. But what about all of the supplements, blood work for checking HW and titers that are purchased from the Holistic vets?
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Not to get completely off track, but I wonder about this too. I've been to a number of vet hospitals and most do suggest an annual visit and labs. I don't consider labs to be a "requirement" because the only "required" items are the ones that I want to pay for. For me, though, I usually lean heavy toward prevention and this has paid off to early identify problems and try to address them. Looking at your apparently healthy dog bopping around and assuming it is the picture of health is the wrong thing to do in my view because some things can't be seen by an owner at home (e.g. elevated liver enzymes, protein or crystals in urine, thyroid functioning, and the list goes on). So it is a good move in the long term to visit a vet for an exam and have them do some basic labs.
Let me clarify what I meant by blood......an annual HW blood draw is required to have the HW preventative prescribed. My vet does not require any other blood work. It might be suggested for their overall healthy analysis but not a requirement for their annual checkup. Sorry for the confusion. My statement was referring back to the the dangerous lack of some people not treating monthly with a HW prevention that is backed by science and instead chose to use unproven herbal remedies and amber beads.
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I know what you meant but I was just making the point that you can decline services offered but that it's better in my view to do labs. We do HW as an add-on to other blood but also have done it as a snap test for cheap.
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