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06-08-2013, 07:36 AM | #1 |
YT 500 Club Member | possible torn, acl, or ccl? What to do about skipping. My little girl does the skip with back right leg sometimes. Noticed when running a cross grass in backyard a few times she let out a screach. Thought she was hurt, but nothing. Has always had this skip to her fast walk pace. Vet checked knees and thank god no lp. So he said maybe torn ccl, or acl. He suggested glocosamine tablets, been giving it for a couple of months now. I don't see anything different with her walk. Still skips. What could it be?
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06-08-2013, 07:40 AM | #2 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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| I think it would be worth a second opinion for LP evaluation because it sounds like it. Uf it is not that they may need to xray hips. If the vet thought it could ge a torn CCL more should have done to confirm that (xray is never a bad idea). if vet thought it was CCL then more is required than glucosamine.
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06-08-2013, 07:48 AM | #3 | |
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You also might consider getting a referral to see an orthopedic specialist. When Toki was maybe 10 months (I can't remember exactly) she had started skipping and holding her left leg up. She had been diagnosed with Legg Perthes (confirmed with an x-ray...a physical exam can often point in the right direction but won't necessarily confirm a diagnosis) as well as LP maybe 1 1/2 months earlier so that's when we knew it was time to start considering surgery. And a second opinion for the LP wouldn't be a bad idea...my general vet and the orthopedic specialist graded Toki's LP and came to different results (not drastically different but still not the same). So I'd definitely at the very least get an x-ray on the hips/knees and have another set of hands check out the knees again. | |
06-08-2013, 07:52 AM | #4 |
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| I agree// get some xrays// morgan has LP but it is not bothering him so we are just watching for now |
06-08-2013, 07:58 AM | #6 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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| If it is a CCL, even with home management (which is generally not recommended) some things would need to be put into place (rest, etc.). When it starts to scar (sort of heal), then get irritated again the process leads to arthritis. In other words, if there is any chance this is a CZcL this shouldn't wait.
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06-08-2013, 12:25 PM | #7 |
Yorkie mom of 4 Donating YT Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LaPlata, Md
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| I recommend a consult with an orthopedic surgeon they can feel LP better then a regular vet and they can feel if the ACL is torn. My experience with ACL is when it is torn they don't use the leg. Skipping and a torn ACL both can mean pain.
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06-08-2013, 12:34 PM | #8 |
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| I would get a second opinion When Daisy injured her leg on Easter Sunday they told me that they thought it was a torn ligament. They did not take xrays but they did all the manipulating test. 2 days later she was using it and 3 weeks later the Vet told me that she did not think it was torn that she thought it was pulled or stretched. It has been almost 3 months and Daisy is running on it and jumping on furniture which I try to stop her. She is back to normal.... So I would definitely get a second opinion and possibly xrays or ultrasound.
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06-08-2013, 01:00 PM | #9 |
YT 500 Club Member | So I'm confused. Do they skip with a torn acl, ccl? Or limp all together? She runs, jumps, acts like no pain. Vet said no lip for sure, but then what could it be?
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06-08-2013, 01:03 PM | #10 |
Pixie and Daisy Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: CT USA
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| normally they don't put any weight on it. Limping or skipping is something else, although Daisy limped when she was diagnosed with lyme disease When Daisy first injured her knee on Easter Sunday she was not putting any weight on it, and she was in pain.
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06-08-2013, 03:13 PM | #11 |
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| This was my experience with Jezebel: On a Sunday, she started carrying her left leg, but would put it down occasionally. I knew she had LP, but had never seen it affect her in any way. On Monday, I got her an appointment with an orthopedic surgeon for Wednesday. In between the injury and the time she saw the surgeon 3 days later, she was using it 98% of the time, and carrying it the rest of the time. She was indeed improving, but since I had the appointment I really wanted to know what was going on, especially since I already knew she had LP. I wanted an expert opinion. On Wednesday, the surgeon manipulated it and took x-rays. The manipulation showed that there was a lack of sturdiness. This was in addition to the LP, which is evaluated using a different manipulation. The x-ray showed that the tibia and fibula (bones of the lower leg) were shifted over and not aligned properly under the femur. Both of these observations indicated a torn CCL. An x-ray cannot show the CCL, there is no way they can see it until they actually go in, but an experienced surgeon knows based on the things that were observed in Jezebel. We scheduled surgery for the following Tuesday, just 9 days after her injury. During the consult, the surgeon left the door open, and Jezebel is a "bolter." She took off, and the surgeon took off behind her. It's a large hospital, and he had to chase her quite a ways to catch her. She was quite functional! In between the consult and the surgery date (6 days), she would have entire days where she never limped or carried her leg. Then, it would happen again, usually when she was getting up from laying down. The day after surgery, when I went to pick her up, I was shown the pictures from the little arthroscopic camera they use during the surgery. I saw how it looked from outside the joint, working it's way into the joint, and into the center where the CCL is. There was some redness (they said that was from the injury), and then there was that CCL. Imagine what a rope looks like, with strands side by side. It looked like a rope with some of the strands intact and others broken and floating around in the synovial fluid. Clearly a partial tear. It also showed that the meniscus was still intact and undamaged and there were no signs of arthritis. (Yay! That was great news to me!). My point is that she had a partial tear, and within a few days she had improved and was using it normally most of the time. She even had a fun escape from the exam room at the hospital and she wasn't easy to catch. It can be very deceiving, they can hide a lot. I am very happy that I had her surgery when I did. With that squirrelly knee and a partial tear, the wear on the knee would have been very quick, damaging and wearing down the meniscus. After that, it's bone on bone, certain arthritis, pain, and lameness. Surgery at that point would stabilize the knee, but it wouldn't fix those issues. It also would not have taken much to completely rupture the CCL. If I had gone by her outward signs and thought that I should take a conservative approach because she seemed to be getting better, her prognosis would not be as good. As you can see, there are many that have had limping dogs and it turned out to be something else that healed on its own with time and rest (I hope your pup is in this group!), but there is just no way to know without going to an expert.
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06-08-2013, 03:15 PM | #12 |
Yorkie mom of 4 Donating YT Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LaPlata, Md
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| It sounds like LP and or a hip problem. Some vets can not feel LP as well as others but an orthopedic surgeon is your best bet mine only cost $50.00 for the consultation. They can feel the knees and the ACL. Mine knew right away that Callie's was tearing. When our other dog tore hers she would not let it touch the ground at all. Callie was limping some when hers was tearing but I don't know if it was the ACL tearing or her LP that caused that but we had both fixed. Skipping is not normal so it does need to be checked out because most things if left untreated just get worse.
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06-08-2013, 03:23 PM | #13 |
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| How old is your baby, Chinalee? You need to also have them look for Legg Perthes disease. See here: Legg Perthes Disease in Dogs | Canine Legg Perthes Information The description of Legg Perthes sounds very bad, but don't be discouraged. Just like LP or a torn ligament, it is very fixable with surgery, and they tend to have an excellent outcome and go on to run, jump and play for the rest of their lives.
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06-08-2013, 10:01 PM | #14 |
YT 500 Club Member | My baby turned a year in march. Yeah sounds like i need a ortho vet to see her. Ugh, when will it end. Darn puppy broker! She really lied through her teeth about everything.
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06-09-2013, 08:09 AM | #15 |
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| I feel your pain Daisy came from a puppy mill and it has been 9.5 yrs of vet bills. I love her and would not trade her for anything it's just a financial burden at times
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