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Old 01-28-2013, 07:20 AM   #1
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Default Problem high protein Systemic Yeast Infection diet.

Hello. My yorkie has been battling with Systemic Yeast Infection for 4 years. I've always had him a Precise product. (Grain Free – Lamb & Turkey With Garbanzo Beans and Sensicare: both dry). And they both have worked wonderful. The problem I'm having now is that he developed bladder stones and had them removed. Vet says his PH level is too high and if we dont cut down on the protein, he may develop them again. My yorkie is 6 years old and weighs 8.5lbs. I've been searching around for a food suitable for his condition while keeping the protein % a bit lower. Not having great luck doing so. Is there any advice or suggestions you have for me? Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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I have battled foods for Taycie and I now homecook for her. Dr. Remillard is her nutrionisit and she formulated a diet for Taycie for her MVD and allergy issues. Her liver issues,(MVD) require a lower protein diet.

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I would switch her to a raw meaty diet. It's low in protein and high in water - great for dogs with kidney problems. Just because it's meat doesn't mean it's high in protein; meat is about 70% water.

There are several people I know that feed raw to dogs with kidney problems and chronic infections, and it seems to control and/or solve the problem. You can find them by joining the Raw Feeding (RF) Facebook group and doing a search. I hope that helps! Good luck
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I have battled foods for Taycie and I now homecook for her. Dr. Remillard is her nutrionisit and she formulated a diet for Taycie for her MVD and allergy issues. Her liver issues,(MVD) require a lower protein diet.

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Raw cold pressed coconut oil is a miracle for curing yeast.

If you're looking for a raw regimend, you'll need to do a lot if research and create your own food-the prepackaged is mainly unsuitable.

Personally I feed my dogs the BARF diet and due to their individual needs I create it with fresh ingredients myself-no prepackaged or general feeding guide here.

Utalize the link already posted as well consult a veterinary nutricianist is avalible to you.

My dogs rarely get red meat here, none of them do well on it.
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Could you give more info regarding the coconut oil please.
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Could you give more info regarding the coconut oil please.
My mini schnauzer is yeast prone with her double coat but she gets yeast infections or did in her ears.

We use (Aunt Patty's brand)must raw cold pressed coconut oil as a topical rub...my youngest son has super sensative skin, we think he has a reaction to zincs so he can't use any diaper ointments...we usually use pure lanolin on him or olive oil between and over the summer (heat rash) got a yeast diaper rash-absolutely awful!

Coconut oil was suggested by our herbalist who is also a burse practioner she says coconut oil is most effective against yeast if it is raw and cold pressed only and organic is optimal as many processing agents or chemicals have antibiotic properties and perpetuate an imbalance in natural floras-?- anywho we got the Aunt Patty's Raw Cold Pressed and it's like a cure all miracle for us...I'm sure there are other brands of raw cold pressed, but am not entirely sure a processed coconut oil would contain the same 'curing'way properties.

Again this is used topically specifically for yeast.
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Raw cold pressed coconut oil is a miracle for curing yeast.
Coconut oil is fine topically, but fish oil is much more effective if you are looking for a dietary supplement. Coconut oil is plant based and causes inflammation in the dog's short digestive tract.

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My dogs rarely get red meat here, none of them do well on it.
It's worthwhile to try again to introduce your dogs to red meat. Dogs need to eat red meat because there are nutrients in red meat that aren't in white meats. Those meats are fattier too which is great for their skin, coats and overall health. Fat is good for carnivores. In nature they would mostly eat red meat and most dogs, if adjusted properly, will do very well on red meats like pork, sheep and beef hearts. Add little by little to their usual meals until they eat whole meals of red meat. You will see an improvement in their coats and overall health. I did.

I don't feed any veggies or fruits at all and I don't give BARF type pre-packaged meals anymore. Carnivores get everything they need from meat; it's the circle of life - the sun's energy goes into the plant, which goes into the herbivore which goes into the carnivore. Carnivores are designed to thrive on a diet of meat, bone and organ. If you're worried about balance, you can check the USDA's food list to check that the meat does contain all the needed nutrients. You can research any type of food here: Foods List

One of the best reasons to feed raw is because you know exactly what is in the food and sadly that's not true with pre-packaged meals. My dogs do very well on a balance of 80% meat, 10% bone and 10% organ (of which 5% is liver) and it's even cheaper than pre-made food. You are welcome to join this group for more information: https://www.facebook.com/groups/261761471359/. There are loads of files and great reading material.

I hope you find something that works for your dog!
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A dog requiring a lower protein diet would not do well on a prey model diet raw or cooked: that's the exact opposite of advisable.

BARF is rarely prepackaged BARF meaning Bones And Raw Food.

Coconut oil has antiflamatory properties, as it comes from coconuts a plant fruit in the antiflamatory group just below Cacti the most antiflamatory substance known.

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Hmmm on the flip side. I have two poodles that can not eat fish or fish oil. Their food uses flaxseed oil for omega 3. Fish of anykind makes them ill enough that we end up at the vet and on meds.
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Coconut oil is fine topically, but fish oil is much more effective if you are looking for a dietary supplement. Coconut oil is plant based and causes inflammation in the dog's short digestive tract.



It's worthwhile to try again to introduce your dogs to red meat. Dogs need to eat red meat because there are nutrients in red meat that aren't in white meats. Those meats are fattier too which is great for their skin, coats and overall health. Fat is good for carnivores. In nature they would mostly eat red meat and most dogs, if adjusted properly, will do very well on red meats like pork, sheep and beef hearts. Add little by little to their usual meals until they eat whole meals of red meat. You will see an improvement in their coats and overall health. I did.

I don't feed any veggies or fruits at all and I don't give BARF type pre-packaged meals anymore. Carnivores get everything they need from meat; it's the circle of life - the sun's energy goes into the plant, which goes into the herbivore which goes into the carnivore. Carnivores are designed to thrive on a diet of meat, bone and organ. If you're worried about balance, you can check the USDA's food list to check that the meat does contain all the needed nutrients. You can research any type of food here: Foods List

One of the best reasons to feed raw is because you know exactly what is in the food and sadly that's not true with pre-packaged meals. My dogs do very well on a balance of 80% meat, 10% bone and 10% organ (of which 5% is liver) and it's even cheaper than pre-made food. You are welcome to join this group for more information: https://www.facebook.com/groups/261761471359/. There are loads of files and great reading material.

I hope you find something that works for your dog!
While I do not necessarily agree in all the magical claims people make toward coconut oil, I think coconut oil is just fine for dogs. Yes, it is plant based, however it is not an inflammatory food in the slightest. It is also helpful to dogs with Inflammatory bowel disease. I really like it for myself too - it's one of the few oils I will use for myself.
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Hello. My yorkie has been battling with Systemic Yeast Infection for 4 years. I've always had him a Precise product. (Grain Free – Lamb & Turkey With Garbanzo Beans and Sensicare: both dry). And they both have worked wonderful. The problem I'm having now is that he developed bladder stones and had them removed. Vet says his PH level is too high and if we dont cut down on the protein, he may develop them again. My yorkie is 6 years old and weighs 8.5lbs. I've been searching around for a food suitable for his condition while keeping the protein % a bit lower. Not having great luck doing so. Is there any advice or suggestions you have for me? Any help will be greatly appreciated.
I concur that you might want to talk to a vet nutritionist. I have a dog with many challenging conditions and she is going strong on a home cooked vegetarian diet. However, her allergies are just terrible and we are going to have to make a switch again soon unfortunately. If my dog had yeast infection and was prone to bladder stones, I would be looking to lessen the acidic load of the foods. The grain free formula is loaded with legumes creating a high pH environment in the dog bladder. IMO, you'd almost be better off with a meat-sweet potato type formula. But, I'm not a nutritionist so you should consult with one for appropriate advice. Good Luck!
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I would talk to a nutritionist (the link posted anove). If the yeast is still a problem then seeing a derm should help.

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protein
carbs
fat
vitamins
minerals

Moisture is not a nutrient and does not add calories. That is why more wet food has to be fed than dry food. Meat/poultry is protein and fat. Raw diets are generally very high in protein and sometimes fat. Excess fat is responsible for shiny coats in raw fed dogs. While most rogs will do fine with red meat it is not necessary. The requirement is nitrogen and amino acuds. My dog is a vegetarian and does fine.
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Oh wow I've never heard of an dog being on a vegetarian diet-okay that's a lie I read an ASPCA article about a radical faction of PETA members putting their dogs and cats on vegetarian diets and how SPCA had to get court ordered custody of the animals for immediate medical treatment.

Obviously you are doing this because of medical issue, but how does that work-I guess I just never fathomed a dog could need to be vegetarian.

Do you think it is helping over all and are you happy with this diet-again I get this is obviously due to special medical need just seems shocking to me at initial surprise.

Edit: okay two dogs on vegetarian diets now wow! I must have been totally clueless is this more common than I thought?
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My dog also is on a vegetarian diet and has been for the past 7 years. I tried her on sardines recently and she bit her legs down to skin leaving red marks. So while I don't really want to keep her on a vegetarian diet because it seems so "unnatural", it's all she can really eat.
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