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01-24-2013, 12:24 PM | #31 | |
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Yep! Just about every canned dog food has Carrageenan Gum! You could Google "canned dog food without carrageenan" and see what pops up. I am sure there are several without... There Is No Perfect Food. Not every food is going to work the same for every dog... and there are always going to be people who have something to say about every food... whether it be bad, or good. I do like to hear both the Good and Bad of the foods I am feeding and then it is up to me to decide whether I am going to feed it to my pup or not. In a perfect world I would Love to HomeCook... I am just too nervous that I won't be giving Ry the exact nutrients he needs. If you have any concerns about CC, you can always email Dawn, Directly! She's Absolutely WONDERFUL!!!! DBarraco@caninecaviar.com | |
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01-24-2013, 12:31 PM | #32 |
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| Carrageenan not just in dog food... I found this Site: I didn't realize Carrageenan is in a LOT of different household products.... !! Carrageenan Information | Carrageenan Guide | GoodGuide |
01-24-2013, 12:54 PM | #33 |
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| What is the opinion of CC on the dog food rating sites? I've been reading some pages found in a basic internet search and I found this one (among many others): What Is Carrageenan? Read the last paragraph under 'Health Concerns'...it states that the degraded carrageenan could cause gastrointestinal problems, including cancers but the degraded form isn't typically used in food. So, I guess maybe the questions shouldn't neccessarily be whether the carrageenan itself is harmful but what form of it is used in dog foods and is that form harmful? I'm not pro or con at this point...I'm trial feeding it with an open mind but I can already see a difference in Moo. We are feeding the Wilderness dry food and the canned venison. Last edited by my2boyz; 01-24-2013 at 12:58 PM. |
01-24-2013, 01:10 PM | #34 | ||
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According to Choosing the Right Canned Food Could Save Your Dog’s Life | The Dogington Post Though food-grade or undegraded carrageenan is touted as safe, even approved for use in organic foods, a 2005 study showed no sample of food-grade carrageenan could claim to be entirely free of the cancer risk degraded carrageenan. Carrageenan Just Don’t Do It What’s this ingredient in my pet’s food? Carrageenan? The Honest Kitchen answered me the next day w/detailed answers, the exact pH of the food & the pH of urine produced by eating that food. They even wished Momo well! For me, I personally WILL NOT feed my guys any food/ingredient that will/has ill affects on laboratory animals & even humans...but that's just me. There are a few canned foods out there that does not use carrageenan (for example, Party Animal- only 1 I can think of, off the top of my head right now bc I fed this b4). There's also the concern of BPA in cans. I am in no way saying not to feed Canine Caviar, I am just addressing my concerns, esp since there's scientific studies to back it up. P.S. BTW Jeanie (lolll since I quoted you), this whole post is not directed @ you or any person in particular. JMO
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01-24-2013, 01:34 PM | #36 |
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| OOOOMG!! I am going to have to look at my labels more closely, now!! I'm not so sure I want to be feeding Riley Carrageenan!! I have fed WERUVA canned. I am Happy to see a few of their formulas has none!! But I see a few do!! I only feed it occassionally.... Like I will mix a teeny bit in with kibble. And, I like that you can get the Weruva in Small cans. Weruva - People Food for Pets - Dog Cuisine - Human Style Last edited by RileyDC; 01-24-2013 at 01:35 PM. |
01-24-2013, 02:16 PM | #37 | ||
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However, protein does not cause kidney or liver problems. What CC said is that "too much protein causes liver and kidney damage" - that is categorically NOT true. Here's an analogy: Sweets don't *cause* diabetes, however, people who have diabetes need to extremely careful w/ their sweets/carbs. As far as those mentioning feeding raw long term...I've been feeding it about 6 years now, and I really love it. It's not for everybody, but that's the case for any food. Quote:
What is this supposed to mean? You can't exactly "keep your mouth shut" after the snide remark already left it. This is now the 2nd CC thread where you've gone after people. Please stop with the snide remarks, they're nothing but negative. I'm asking respectfully, a second time now. Please be respectful toward others; asking people to be respectful is not asking a whole lot, I should hope.
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01-24-2013, 04:07 PM | #38 |
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| [QUOTE=Wylie's Mom;4115762]Lol, I think you misread . People/dogs WITH kidney or liver disease (like your uncle and cousin) DO have to watch protein. However, protein does not cause kidney or liver problems. What CC said is that "too much protein causes liver and kidney damage" - that is categorically NOT true. Here's an analogy: Sweets don't *cause* diabetes, however, people who have diabetes need to extremely careful w/ their sweets/carbs. As far as those mentioning feeding raw long term...I've been feeding it about 6 years now, and I really love it. It's not for everybody, but that's the case for any food ************************************************** ****** Yeah... I already know about the protein not causing kidney/liver damage but being bad if a dog already has kidney/liver damage. I was a little nervous about high protein formulas until I researched that. I read those White Papers of Champion Pet Foods and they really explain a Lot in detail. Whether it was read incorrectly or not, I don't think that kidney/liver damage is an LOL type of matter... or deserved an Eye Roll... but okay. In your previous post, what I read was: what CC said is that "a buildup of protein waste products causes liver and kidney damage" ... - I guess I am confused as to what Protein Waste Products exactly is... is it the same as just plain ole' Protein? sounds kind of gross... What initially causes kidney/liver damage in dogs? Is it the type of food they eat?? Is there anything that can be done to prevent it? You may remember but I believe it was because of You that I started feeding Riley RAW... Remember he had that bad reaction to the Lamb in the Primal. He really Loved it and was doing okay on it, but he always seemed Hungry... and then his old Vet, here in the City, really scared me and was Really Against it. He seems to be a pretty sensitive Pup, which is why I am so excited that Canine Caviar has been working for him for so long with no issues and no visits to the vet with any ear problems or skin issues. I think that I would rather feed raw than a canned food with that Carrageenan in it.... ?! |
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| I did manage to get a phone call back from Canine Caviar today after getting the run around earlier. I spoke with Amy, I told her that I was questioning the statement made on the about us page....that using the food would reduce the risk of cancer, when 3 of the 4 canned varieties listed contained a cancer causing agent. She told me that they have reformulated the canned variety to include a non-cancer causing gum thickener. It is on the market now, but so is the old formula. If you read ingredients, look for the canned variety that do not have carrageenan gum listed. She also told me that they would be updating the web site to show the changes. I told her that I was happy that she called me back and feel much better about the food. Meanwhile still cleaning out my cupboards to make sure I don't have anything here with questionable ingredients.
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01-24-2013, 04:21 PM | #40 | |
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YAAAAY!! At the beginning of this Thread, I posted this: My bag of wild Ocean said it had 1.0% Phosphorus... ?? It is no secret and they have been announcing on their FB page that they are in the process of revamping their website and they are not finished just yet so who knows?! Just checked my bag of Wild Ocean... 1.0% Phosphorus AND SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EXCITED!!!!!!!!! NONE OF MY WET CANS HAVE CARRAGEENAN! I've always had success on the phone! They are Extremely Helpful and Nice!! | |
01-24-2013, 05:00 PM | #41 | |
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Quote from CC: ""A buildup of protein waste products causes kidney or liver damage. High-protein diets often promote foods such as red meat and full-fat dairy products. Some experts believe a diet rich in these foods can increase your risk of heart disease. A high-protein diet may cause liver or kidney problems because the body may have trouble eliminating all the waste products of protein metabolism."" I'm not sure where you're going with the first part of this. In post #26 you said "That first Paragraph with some Bolded stuff is Absolutely TRUE!! I have an uncle and a cousin who are both on kidney dialysis." -- so you first agreed with the CC quote that says protein causes liver/kidney damage. Now in the post above you're saying "I already know about the protein not causing kidney/liver damage but being bad if a dog already has kidney/liver damage." So, I'm scratching my head in trying to figure out where you are on that. I haz confusions. As for the rest....eeesh, that's like an entire semester I had in nursing school! But I'll give some of it a shot. Protein is basically just different combos of amino acids. Protein waste is what naturally happens when digestion of the proteins occurs. ALL digestion results in waste, otherwise we wouldn't need toilets, which might be nice . Some of the waste made from prot digestion is like urea, creatinine, uric acid, water (of course) and I'm sure a few other things. Liver or kidney damage can be caused by a huge number of things....genetics, injury, toxins, medications, cardiac probs (so easily affect kidneys), blood pressure, infections (bacteria, viral), structural issues (ie, Shunt), diabetes and I'm sure many more things I'm not thinking of. Liver/kidney damage is not caused by protein (or carbs etc). The only way I can think of 'food' damaging is if the food contained toxins or carcinogens or whatnot, but again - that's not the *food* itself. Now excess fatty foods can cause all sorts of probs, but that's another story. As for preventing it, I'm sure there are lots of schools of thought out there. I'm of the belief that a reasonable diet and good exercise goes a long way toward disease prevention in doggies. You've always been one to really research what Riley is eating, so I can't imagine that anything is getting in his little body that would really cause damage, ya know? Like you, I just try my best to be mindful of ingredients and I read stuff, and I learn from people on here. The bottom line is that Riley is doing incredible on CC, so I don't think you have to worry much. All I was trying to get at earlier was my concern over the incorrect info provided by CC. I'd be concerned whether it was CC, Primal, Champion, NV, Stellas...you name it. That's why I think this section is great, bc it's here to discuss this stuff and be aware of it.
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01-24-2013, 05:24 PM | #42 |
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| O.k. so...the canned variety I just bought is the Venison in the pink can and it does not contain carageenan. The ingredients are: Venison, water sufficient for processing, venison tripe, liver and guar gum. This must be the 'new' formula? The dry food I bought is the grain free Wilderness ALS formula and the phosphorus level is: .8% min. and the protein is 26% min. The ingredients are: Venison meal, split peas, yeast culture, lamb fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), sun-cured alfalfa, sun-cured kelp, FOS, calcium proteinate, sodium chloride, lecithin, choline chloride, parsley, fenugreek, peppermint, taurine, selenium, whole clove garlic, vitamin E, zinc proteinate, vitamin C, papaya, rose hips, yucca schidigera extract, niacin, beta-carotene, manganese proeteinate, vitamin D3, biotin, vitamin A, riboflavin, vitamin B-12, potassium proteinate, folic acid. I do know they are 4 and 4 1/2 star foods on the rating charts and it contains none of the ingredients to avoid on the Dog Food Project website. This gets so confusing to someone who knows just enough to get herself in trouble! lol! Is there anything in here that I need to be concerned about? All I know for sure is that Moo has only been eating this for a couple of days and she isn't licking or scratching anywhere and it's nice to see her actually get to rest. Oh, and no doggie breath or dog food breath after her meals. |
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Guar Gum: Derived from the Seeds of Cyamoposis tetragonolobus of Indian origin; fed to cattle in the US; can cause nausea, flatulence and cramps, may reduced cholesterol levels.
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Yes! There it is!! Quote from CC: ""A buildup of protein waste products causes kidney or liver damage. High-protein diets often promote foods such as red meat and full-fat dairy products. Some experts believe a diet rich in these foods can increase your risk of heart disease. A high-protein diet may cause liver or kidney problems because the body may have trouble eliminating all the waste products of protein metabolism."" In Post #37 you quoted: What CC said "too much protein causes liver and kidney damage" I just didn't see that in that paragraph. I see where they have the word "may" in there in the bolded red sentence... That usually means, it May, or it May Not. That is not a definitive that they believe it absolutely does. That is why I didn't think that paragraph was Untrue. I will say that I think it can be very misleading to some people. This is the stuff we learn in law school courses... and what happens when looking at legal papers all day at a law firm. Hoping that clears it up a little for you. I really did believe that that paragraph was fine.... but I think that they Definitely need to revamp it or remove it altogether as not to further confuse their consumers. They are still in the process of revamping their website and aren't finished just yet. I shoot them an email to bring it to their attention along with a few other things. Thanks So Much for all the other info. you shared!! That's a Lot to remember!! I agree that all of this section is great for all the info. good and bad. I am constantly learning and researching new things. It does have my head spinning at times... | |
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| Originally Posted by RileyDC http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ima...s/viewpost.gif OOOOMG!! I am going to have to look at my labels more closely, now!! I'm not so sure I want to be feeding Riley Carrageenan!! I have fed WERUVA canned. I am Happy to see a few of their formulas has none!! But I see a few do!! I only feed it occassionally.... Like I will mix a teeny bit in with kibble. And, I like that you can get the Weruva in Small cans. Weruva - People Food for Pets - Dog Cuisine - Human Style There are quite a few canned foods w/out carrageenan. We've tried Weruva too, they love it! ****************** My cans of CC don't have Carrageenan! I'm so psyched!! BUT, I think I like the Weruva better. It just looks more appetizing... like I could almost eat it myself! LOL!! |
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