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09-28-2011, 11:59 AM | #1 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: San Francisco, CA
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| Motor Seizure? I have a 4 year old Yorkie, Princeton, who is having "episodes" and we are not sure what they are. We are seeing a neurologist next week. They started last year, 1 month after he had acute pancreatitis. His lower body will arch, shaking, and his back leg will become tense and go up. I have added a link to the video I took. Generally this will last 2 of him shaking, followed by 5 minutes of him panting and lying flat on the ground, and then at the end he will throw up. I have noticed that when I am out of town and come back, he will have this type of episode, so not sure if it is stress related. He has had blood work done and everything came back perfect. I stress because I do not like to see him go through this, and if I knew what it was and what caused it, then I'd be relieved. I don't want this to shorten his life span either. If any of you have gone through something similar let me know! First video Princeton Episode #2 - YouTube Second video Episode 2 Part III - YouTube Thanks! |
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09-28-2011, 02:40 PM | #2 |
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| We have a Papillon that is prone to seizures. She was diagnosed about 2 years ago and she was put on a medication that we give her 2 times a day, our vet gives us a script that we will at our pharmacy. She had been seizure free for the last 2 years since being on the medication until last night because we had been only giving to her once a day, our bad. Even so her seizures use to last for about 5 min and she would come out of it blind for about 15 min and then she would sit and whine for the next 1/2 hour. Last nights lasted for about a minute no blindness and whining lasted for about 10 min. We use to cut the pill in half twice a day and we tried to just give her a full pill once daily. We will go back to 2 pills a day and she should be fine. I hope all will be well with yours and that you get the treatment you need. |
09-28-2011, 03:47 PM | #3 |
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| I'm so sorry that Princeton is having these episodes. Did you show this video to the vet. It would be helpful for the vet to see exactly what happens. That's what I did when my Sammy first had seizures. Sammy didn't arch his back but there could be different types of seizures. If it is seizures, there are medications that will control it and they have a good life. Sammy started with phenobarbital which only helped a little. Then the vet added KBR along with the pheno and that did the trick. Sammy was seizure free for 8 or 9 years. He had a good happy life for 13 years. Good luck with your visit to the neurologist. I hope you get answers and that Princeton is OK. |
09-28-2011, 04:26 PM | #4 |
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| I'm so sorry you are going through this. My boy Max was diagnosed with epilepsy, but he had focal seizures and it didn't look much like what I just watched. But there are various types of seizures and Princeton looks like he's having one. At any rate, I'm so happy you are going to a neurologist as that's the best next step IMO. Seizures can be a symptom of an underlying condition or can be diagnosed as epilepsy once anything and everything is ruled out. I'm certain the neurologist will do everything they can to diagnose Princeton. Max was put on phenobarbital a year ago and his seizures have been very well controlled.
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09-30-2011, 09:12 PM | #5 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: San Francisco, CA
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| Thanks everyone - I appreciate your comments. The more I read, the more I think they are seizures. I will be out of town again in 2 weeks so hopefully we will be on some type of meds to prevent another episode. When I think he is about to have one, I have put a cold towel around his body and talk him through it. That has definitely helped. Were any of you concerned about the meds and any side effects? Did any of you try to supplement the meds with a holistic approach? Thanks again. |
09-30-2011, 09:15 PM | #6 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: San Francisco, CA
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| And yes I am taking the videos to the neurologist. Both our vets and an ortho surgeon have seen the videos. The orthopedic surgeon has been so helpful. |
10-01-2011, 12:08 AM | #7 |
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| You found my thread on Elvis. So glad you did Elvis's seizures are similar but not quite the same. Having said that I was told every dog seizes differently and just because they are not falling over shaking loosing motor and often bowel or bladder control does not mean it is not a seizure. Some dog's (and people) have such slight seizures there is only a mild reaction the untrained eye wouldn't even know it to be a seizure. Elvis arches his back like a super dramatic representation of a hissing cat, then his legs tighten and go straight, his head will go from side to side in slow motion as though he is shaking it saying no, then he tighten beyond the point of any movement and will fall over often or go to his side. In the mildest form he will loose control of his legs wobbling like his going over ice and then he will stiffen and regain movement. Elvis however will have one seizure come out of it and minutes later have another then hours later another anywhere from 3-5 over a 48 time period. Foremost concerning is not only the videos and recommendations (I'll be blatant here and many won't like it-the MRI doesn't really do anything to help you if it is neurological issue-well okay if it seizures caused by a neurological issue and not another issues causing seizure the MRI only accesses the damage and shows the parts of the brain damaged-in my experiences and the same is found on CT scan I don't know the difference other than the price I billed to be totally honest ). Did you do bile acid tests both immediately after the seizure and then several days later then after another 10 days? That should be step 2 step 1 should have been a full blood panel (run twice to ensure seizures w not caused by a foreign contact issue-i.e. poisoning, allergic reaction, chemical imbalance or a liver, kidney or other issue that causes seizures ruling out anything but a neurological issue.? Did you get a referral to Karen @ UC Davis?
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10-01-2011, 11:59 AM | #8 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: San Francisco, CA
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| We are seeing a neurologist in Dallas. Our main vet is here and recommended the neurologist - Dr. ducate. We have done a blood test and everything came out fine. I will inquire about the bile test and see if we can do it. I do think these seizures were caused by his acute pancreatitis last year through a toxic treat. |
10-01-2011, 03:52 PM | #9 | |
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10-01-2011, 09:26 PM | #10 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: San Francisco, CA
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| Glad to hear you know of Dr. Ducate. Tonight I thought he was on the verge of having another episode. He was breathing rapidly and was in a corner. No shaking and no vomiting. I was with him and put him in a cool towel until he fell asleep. |
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