rabie vaccine - excused?

[Kodiesmom]

I was wondering if anyone has ever gotten a vet to excuse your pup for the rabie vaccine with the state you live in... since its state law and everything. ??? Has any of your pups ever had a health condition that did not allow you to give the rabie vaccine? Thanks!

[feminvstr]

vets must abide to the state laws, you can not ship a yorkie for an example without a rabies @ 3 months in some states, most states are 4 months. The only time it was not wise, age (too young) and weight (too small). My vet writes both on the health certificate.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

YES, it is possible to have a vet waive the rabies requirement, especially if the dog has had a reaction to a vaccine. Mine, here in San Diego have all been waived. I would contact your local animal control anonymously just for informational purposes and ask them what the procedure is for obtaining the waiver. They were very nice to me when I called and told me that it simply needs to be on the vets sttionery and say the reason for the waiver, usually that to have the shot would be potentially life threatening.

You can also contact a homeopathic vet in your area to ask them to inquire for you. The homeopathic vets I have found to be more compassionate about this issue as well as more knowledgeable since most of them are very hesitant when it comes to traditional vaccines.

PM me is you want to discuss this issue in further detail.

[megan_kat22]

All but one of my four dogs get their rabies, just for safety and traveling purposes. But yes I think you can have it waived. Tucker, our Yorkie with a liver shunt does not receive this vaccine because it takes so long to move through his system that it makes him very sick. But like SoCalyorkiLvr said, I think you can have them waived

[feminvstr]

IMO it is irresponsible not having rabies in an animal that is of approprate age and health. If I did not do it, they should never go to a public or even private park, beach, pet store, meetup, take walks in public places, groomers, dog shows or boarding facilities. In other words live inside all the time without social exposure!

[txshopper73]

The chances of something happening with the vaccination is slim compared to the risks of not having it done. When I had the pup that went to Cali...it was on the health certificate by the vet. She did not get the shot because she was too young for it but like Kimberly said, if you are flying or shipping, you have to have it on the certificate...unless there are extenuating circumstances.

[Kodiesmom]

My dog DID have a reaction from the rabie vaccine... thats why i dont want him to get another one. Thank u for all your information... I will be making an appointment and hopefully my vet will agree with the waver.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Here is just a small sampling of 10 vets who believe that vaccines are harming our pets:

Vaccination in Animals


© International Vaccination Newsletter


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Let's start with a potpourri of opinion - a selection of vets who believe vaccines are damaging our dogs. The April / May 1995 issue of the exellent Wolf Clan Magazine Collected a cacaphony:
Charles E Loops, DVM, Pittsboro, USA said: "The first thing that must change with routine vaccinations is the myth that vaccines are not harmful. Veterinarians and animal guardians have to come to realise that they are not protecting animals from disease by annual vaccinations, but in fact, are destroying the health and immune systems of these same animals they love and care for".

Russell Swift, DVM, Fort Lauderdale, USA, said: "I believe that poor diet and vaccinations are responsible for most chronic diseases. Acute 'diseases' are discharges of toxins and energy from the body. The 'causative' germs assist by breaking down toxins and stumulating cleansing. By preventing these discharges, vaccines result in chronic disorders. Injected vaccines preservatives. They implant mutated microörganisms, preservatives, foreign animal proteins and other compounds directly into the system. This is done in the name of 'preventing' a few syndromes. If an animal is in an optimal state of health, he or she will produce the strongest immune response possible. This response offers protection against all NATURAL challenges. The irony is that vaccine labels say they are to be given only to healthy animals. If they were truly healthy, they would not need them. Those who are not healthy are the most severely damaged".

Pedro Rivera, DVM, Sturtevant, USA, said: "Vaccinosis is the reaction from common innoculations (vaccines) against the body's immune system and general well-being. These reactions might take months or years to show up and will cause undue harm to future generations. In our practice, we have seen hypothyroidism, chronic yeast, ear infections, immune-mediated diseases and worsening of them, joint maladies, and behavioural prolems as secondary reactions to over-vaccination."

Pat Bradley, DVM, Conway, USA, said: "The most common problems I see that are directly related to vaccines on a day to day basis are ear or skin conditions, such as chronic discharges and itching. I also see behaviour problems such as fearfulness or aggression. Often guardians will report that these begin shortly after vaccination, and are exacerbated with every vaccine.

"In a more general and frightening context, I see the overall health and longevity of animals deteriorating. The bodies of most animals have a tremendous capacity to detoxify poisons, but they do have a limit. I think we often exceed that limit and over-whelm the body's immune system function with toxins from vaccines, poor quality foods, insecticides, environmental toxins, etc. This is why we've seen such a dramatic increase in allergies, organ failures, and behaviour problems."

Christina Chambreau, DVM, Madison,USA, said: "Routine vaccinations are probably the worst thing that we do for our animals. They cause all types of illnesses but not directly to where we would relate them definitely to be caused by the vaccine. Repeating vaccinations on a yearly basis undermines the whole energetic well-being of our animals. Animals do not seem to be decimated by one or two vaccines when they are young and veterinary immunologists tell us that viral vaccines need only be given once or twice in an animal's life. First, there is no need for annual vaccinations and, second, they definitely cause chronic disease. As a homoeopath, it is almost impossible to cure an animal without first addressing the problems that vaccines have caused to the animal, no matter what the species."

Mike Kohn, DVM, Madison, USA, said: "Unfortunately our society is in the grasp of a health panacea and this panacea is fuelled by the biomedical and pharmaceutical industries. Vaccinations have become the modern day equivalent of leeching. First of all, introducing foreign material via subcutaneous or intramuscular injection is upsetting to the body's defense system. In response to this violation, there have been increased autoimmune disease (allergies being one component), epilepsy, neoplasia, as well as behavioural problems in small animals.

"Even though man and animals have been around for thousands of years, formal vaccines were introduced within the last century. Interestingly, the increase in cancer, respiratory disorders (most air quality standards are higher today than in decades past), and autoimmune problems have likewise escalated alarmingly during the previous decade. Vaccines are not the only culprit for these increases; however, I feel they are one of the primary offenders."
Kristine Severyn, R. PH., PH.D., Director, Ohio Parents for Vaccine Safety said: "Vaccines are not always effective, safety is unproven, and long-term consequences are unknown. Despite this the government requires their use, resulting in a lack of incentive for drug companies to produce better products. Additionally, mandatory vaccine laws make it impossible to conduct properly controlled studies, so we'll never know if vaccines are truly safe, as is claimed by the government and medical profession.

Similar to other medical procedures, the right of informed consent. i.e., the right to say 'no', should apply to vaccines."

Norman C Ralston, DVM, Mesquite, USA, said: " I think we eventually have to take a look at what is happening to animals because of repeated vaccinations. If you have an animal that within 10 days from the time he received vaccines falls back into a condition that you'd been trying to clean up for some time, you know what happened. We're seeing a condition that is being described by some of my colleagues and myself as vaccinosis.We have to recognise it as being there."

Stephen R Blake, DVM, San Diego, USA, said: "The idea of annual vaccines is really questionable. There is no scientific basis from what I've been able to read. There was a good article in Current Veterinary Therapy a couple of years ago. They did a literature search and the two authors were not 'alternative' veterinarians, and they could find no scientific basis for annual vaccines. So it's just being done; there is no real basis for the practice. There are a lot of chronic conditions that develop some time after vaccinating. Some of these conditions that I see are chronic ear infections, digestive problems, seizures, skin problems, and behavioural problems".

Nancy Scanlon, DVM, Chino Hills, USA, said: "For those who don't believe in the concept of long-term vaccinosis, there is plenty of evidence of short term problems. Every time a dog is vaccinated for Parvo, the number of white blood cells in the circulation decreases for a while. This means their immune system won't work as well during that time. Every veterinarian who has been in practice long enough has seen reactions to vaccines, ranging from lethargy, mild fever, sore neck to vomiting and sleeping for 24 hours, to total collapse and shock. In cats we now recognise that vaccinating with too many vaccines in the same place all the time can cause fibrosarcoma, a nasty cancer. This is officially recognised by the allopathic veterinary community, and if this isn't a form of vaccinosis, I don't know what is".

Finally, Driston Sherman, DVM, Colombus, USA, was quoted in Wolf Clan Magazine as saying: " When I was doing primary allopathic medicine, I saw two things. One is that within an hour after the vaccination was given, the animal was having trouble breathing or may have had redness of the skin. The other thing I saw quite often was usually about twelve to twenty-four hours after being vaccinated, animals with fever, loss of appetite, sleeping a lot, sometimes vomitting or diarrhea. Most of those cases usually took care of themselves without any intervention within twenty-four hours.

"Now that I'm doing holistic medicine, it's really intriguing to look at the medical histories of animals. One case that comes to mind is a cat with a history of these horrible-looking sores that occurred exactly 30 days after being vaccinated - two years in a row. You may want to call that coincidence. I have my suspicions but I can't say , for sure, what caused these conditions, which is very frustrating."

Gary Seymour FBIH DIHom wrote : "Under Israeli law every dog has to receive an anti-rabies vaccination once a year. Within seconds of receiving his first rabies shot, my dog had an adverse reaction and has been ill ever since (a distemper type illness).

"I am convinced that his illness is a direct result of the vaccination he has been given, and deeply fear the results of his vaccination. I see on an almost daily basis in my practice the adverse effects of vaccine poisoning to both childeren and adults. I am a protagonist of the total abolishment of vaccination in both humans and animals. If this short-sighted practice can be curtailed, or even slowed down by your Census, then I offer you my whole hearted support".

[Kodiesmom]

Originally Posted by megan_kat22

But yes I think you can have it waived. Tucker, our Yorkie with a liver shunt does not receive this vaccine because it takes so long to move through his system that it makes him very sick.

My baby has MVD (which you probably know is a form of shunt)... so maybe thats why he had a reaction like he did...

[Kodiesmom]

Thank you for all your information! I hope to resolve this issue at my appointment which is next sat!

[YorkyKids]

Originally Posted by Kodiesmom

I was wondering if anyone has ever gotten a vet to excuse your pup for the rabie vaccine with the state you live in... since its state law and everything. ??? Has any of your pups ever had a health condition that did not allow you to give the rabie vaccine? Thanks!

Yes it is possible to have your vet write a waiver.....IF you have a valid health problem. BUT you should be aware.....your pet should never be around any potentially harmful human contact. By that I mean.....IF YOUR YORKIE SO MUCH AS SCATCHES ANOTHER PERSON......and the animal control officer wants to see a rabies cert......you are in deep trouble....and G*d forbid the unthinkable happens on an airplane or public area. The law does have a waiver policy for not taking the vacine in most states....but not for any contact with a human...which breaks the skin. Here in my area they are very strick.....about the rabies cert. Without the rabies my 2 pound baby could be removed to a quarantine facility!! Yep yes siree. My vet REFUSED to waive the shot.....1) she doesn't have any known health issues and 2) for my personal safety.....he says he doesn't want me arrested by refusing to let the animal control take the baby!! LOL

The potential risk of having the shot is out weighed by the potential risk to the dog. You see.....vaccines are not given for the protection of the pet.....vaccines are given and ordered by law for the protection of humans. The law doesn't give a rats a$$ about the health of your Yorkie....only that no human can possibly be harmed with rabies......that's the way my vet explained it to me. I have an ADULT 1 1/2 pounder and and adult 2 pounder.....they do just fine. I wish everyone was so lucky.
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[yorkiegirl2]

I feel the rabies shot once a year is to much for small dogs to handle..It makes one of my really sick. Ask your vet about the 3 year rabie shot. I feel most Vets wants you to get a 1 year shot. That is one of their money makers from giving shots. IMO I think shots are over done..I want my dogs protected but not over done. I get mine the 3-year rabie shot. The vet said in puppies the shot is only good for 2 year ..after they are 1-year then it's good for the full 3 years. It use to be a series of 3 puppies shots now they want 4 and want to give rabie @ 16 weeks. I don't think so ..not on my dogs ..I will wait at least until they are 6month before I get the rabies..If I shipped pups then I would have to but I don't ...Sherry