Small update on Tucker man - YorkieTalk.com Forums

hugz4all4 · 08-30-2011, 05:32 AM

for those who have been following my threads..

He is doing ok, he is eating good (still small amounts) and peeing good. He went outside yesterday 7 times just to pee so he is getting plenty of fluids!!, he seems to be more comfortable now and his stomach isnt so hard. He is up and about more now, but is still hiding alot and wont come to me unless he needs to go out or eat.

He is MY dog and where I am so is he... so im pretty upset that my little buddy man is hiding from me.

I was concerned that he may have pancreatis, so I looked up the symptoms and he had most of them except for the fever, vomiting or diarreah. So I called the vet today where he was seen and she said that his blood work did not support that diagnosis but that doesnt mean he doesnt have it. So Im having the vet call me back when she can so that I can talk to her about his diet etc. The vet tech on the phone did tell me that they usually support that with iv fluids, bland diet and time, but if he is getting enough fluids, (when I make him his meals I make it like a soup) does he still need an iv?
Anyways, thanks all for the help and advice..

Ellie May · 08-30-2011, 05:41 AM

It's possible, but improbable with the current symptoms and bloodwork. You can run a Spec cPL to be which is what I'd be doing.

"If" it is pancreatitis (big if), then nothing by mouth. That's why fluids would be needed.

I'm very concerned that he is still hiding and do wonder about pain. I'd be inclined to rule out pancreatitis and have the vet look for where the pain could be coming from. His legs and back all been palpated? If he was just burping with no vomiting or diarrhea, I wouldn't be totally convinced that it's intestinal.

spr377 · 08-30-2011, 05:47 AM

IV fluid might be a good thing. I agree that he may be hiding due to pain. Hope your baby feels better soon! What part of Upstate? I'm near Rochester!

gidget529 · 08-30-2011, 06:42 AM

When my Cricket would get her bouts of pancreatitis, her intestines would fill up with air and she would have extreme pain. She had vomiting and diarrhea with most of the bouts. She would receive antibiotics, antiemetic (antinausea/vomiting) drug, and a pain med. Depending on how quick I got her in (she had chronic pancreatitis in her elderly years), she may or may not require IV fluids and hospitalization.

I would definitely have a cPL done. I would be concerned about the prolonged hiding. I agree w Ellie May, I would have a workup for where this pain is coming from if the cPL is negative.

If it is pancreatitis, his diet will have to change. Cricket was on a prescription I/D canned food we got from the vet. It was not expensive. It really wasn't much more than what we paid for her food already.

Hope you get some answers for poor little Tucker and he gets back to being his old self again.

hugz4all4 · 08-30-2011, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellie May

It's possible, but improbable with the current symptoms and bloodwork. You can run a Spec cPL to be which is what I'd be doing.

"If" it is pancreatitis (big if), then nothing by mouth. That's why fluids would be needed.

I'm very concerned that he is still hiding and do wonder about pain. I'd be inclined to rule out pancreatitis and have the vet look for where the pain could be coming from. His legs and back all been palpated? If he was just burping with no vomiting or diarrhea, I wouldn't be totally convinced that it's intestinal.

When I first brought him in on Saturday, they thought that it was his back she did palpate his spines, legs, checked his neck span (she moved his head all around) and did the toe test, not sure what the technical name is she flipped his toes under to see how fast he righted them and that all came back ok. He did not yelp in pain at all when she pushed on his spine. Thats when she sent us home with the tramodal.
On sunday morning when we took him back she did all of the same tests and when she pushed on his stomach is when he yelped and he felt more distended then the day before so she ruled out that it was his back. When she asked if the tramodal worked for his pain, it really didnt, the only thing it did was make him spacy and seem stoned. He was still very uncomfortable. The xrays and blood work didnt not indicate anything major other than a belly full of gas.
I just got off the phone with her and she said that just because his blood work did not support pancreaitis directly that he still may have a mild case of it. She wants him to stay on a low fat diet, with the fat content being under 12 percent so I have decided to try using I/d for awhile. I already have one dog on it so Im already buying it. She gave me the go ahead to start mixing the i/d with his hamburg/rice since he is eating good.
He doesnt seem to be in anymore pain, he is going up the porch stairs ok now, when someone comes to the door he comes running out to bark and when he is outside he runs around chasing his "sister" and butterflies. All huge improvements from Saturday when he couldnt move.

Sorry if this all seems so scattered..I should of posted before that she ruled out back pain....

Could the predisone have caused this? That is the only new thing hes been on??

hugz4all4 · 08-30-2011, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by spr377

IV fluid might be a good thing. I agree that he may be hiding due to pain. Hope your baby feels better soon! What part of Upstate? I'm near Rochester!

We are in Pulaski...about 45 minutes from both watertown and syracuse!!

hugz4all4 · 08-30-2011, 06:57 AM

The vet also discovered that he has an LP in his left leg, but his right one was fine...

Ellie May · 08-30-2011, 07:00 AM

Steroids can really make the pancreas angry...

If the vet thinks it could be pancreatitis, then the test needs to be ran because a dx would mean nothing by mouth.

Happy he isn't in pain, but if he is still hiding, then I bet he is. Forgot about the gas filled intestines. And if there was a pain response, that's a concern. Could be just a little virus, but I'd be ruling out pancreas issues today.

hugz4all4 · 08-30-2011, 07:06 AM

There are a ton of evidence supporting that this could be why Tucker was sick..

...He is on predisone for his itching. He has had only 2 pills, his second one being on friday, he starting getting sick on saturday. His sugar level did come back elevated on his blood work, but the vet told me it was because he is on the prednisone. She told me to stop it for now. I guess I will be stopping for good.

Pancreatitis | B-Naturals.Com Newsletter

http://www.nativeremedies.com/petali...e-in-dogs.shtm
THE USE OF PREDNISONE IN DOGS - Chinaroad Lowchens of Australia -

hugz4all4 · 08-30-2011, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Steroids can really make the pancreas angry...

If the vet thinks it could be pancreatitis, then the test needs to be ran because a dx would mean nothing by mouth.

Happy he isn't in pain, but if he is still hiding, then I bet he is. Forgot about the gas filled intestines. And if there was a pain response, that's a concern. Could be just a little virus, but I'd be ruling out pancreas issues today.

Thanks, I will be calling the vets...

Ellie May · 08-30-2011, 07:10 AM

BTW, I do highly doubt it is a back issue (not overly common in Yorkies) or a leg issue (you'd probably see some favoring). But just fyi Ellie presented with occasional pain when touching her sides - abdominal area and the vet couldn't get a pain response from the spine (went to her regular vet and she got the response). So you never know.. But gas filled intestines tells me probably abdominal. I really am still confused about why no drugs were given or anything and why the vet is saying keep feeding and continue with pred knowing that it could be the pancreas?

hugz4all4 · 08-30-2011, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellie May

BTW, I do highly doubt it is a back issue (not overly common in Yorkies) or a leg issue (you'd probably see some favoring). But just fyi Ellie presented with occasional pain when touching her sides - abdominal area and the vet couldn't get a pain response from the spine (went to her regular vet and she got the response). So you never know.. But gas filled intestines tells me probably abdominal. I really am still confused about why no drugs were given or anything and why the vet is saying keep feeding and continue with pred knowing that it could be the pancreas?

She told me to stop the pred. for awhile on sunday. I thought that I posted that already? Maybe not...

hugz4all4 · 08-30-2011, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellie May

BTW, I do highly doubt it is a back issue (not overly common in Yorkies) or a leg issue (you'd probably see some favoring). But just fyi Ellie presented with occasional pain when touching her sides - abdominal area and the vet couldn't get a pain response from the spine (went to her regular vet and she got the response). So you never know.. But gas filled intestines tells me probably abdominal. I really am still confused about why no drugs were given or anything and why the vet is saying keep feeding and continue with pred knowing that it could be the pancreas?

She said that its ok to continue to feed him is small amounts because he didnt have any vomiting or diareah.. if he was to start vomiting that I had to with hold food and I had to bring him back in immeidiatly. To this day he hasnt thrown up or had diarreah and he is tolerating the bland diet ok.

I dont no what to think anymore...ugh...

Ellie May · 08-30-2011, 07:39 AM

That's really up to you. If a dog is in pain and it is indeed the pancreas and they continue to get fed, well, that's not something I'd be comfortable with. But as long as you trust your vet.. Steroids can do some funny things to the blood. But also pancreatitis can raise the sugar. I'd wonder if it just wasn't settling right, but if you stopped it on Sunday he really shouldn't still be hiding.

If you are giving things by mouth, there is no reason not to add in a drug to help his intestines, but that is JMO.

gidget529 · 08-30-2011, 07:55 AM

The reason they prescribe nothing by mouth (usually for 12 hours) is bc the pancreas works during digestion. When not feeding, the angry pancreas has time to rest and get less cranky. That is why the vet is saying "small meals"; however, if pancreatitis is suspected there are ppl who would say nothing by mouth for 12 hours to let the pancreas rest. My dog always received antibiotic also and antiemetic. Pancreatitis causes a lot of pain and nausea. The antiemetic helps w that feeling of tummy upset and nausea.

08-30-2011, 05:32 AM	#1
hugz4all4 YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: upstate NY Posts: 2,114 Blog Entries: 1	Small update on Tucker man for those who have been following my threads.. He is doing ok, he is eating good (still small amounts) and peeing good. He went outside yesterday 7 times just to pee so he is getting plenty of fluids!!, he seems to be more comfortable now and his stomach isnt so hard. He is up and about more now, but is still hiding alot and wont come to me unless he needs to go out or eat. He is MY dog and where I am so is he... so im pretty upset that my little buddy man is hiding from me. I was concerned that he may have pancreatis, so I looked up the symptoms and he had most of them except for the fever, vomiting or diarreah. So I called the vet today where he was seen and she said that his blood work did not support that diagnosis but that doesnt mean he doesnt have it. So Im having the vet call me back when she can so that I can talk to her about his diet etc. The vet tech on the phone did tell me that they usually support that with iv fluids, bland diet and time, but if he is getting enough fluids, (when I make him his meals I make it like a soup) does he still need an iv? Anyways, thanks all for the help and advice.. __________________ Love all 9 of my furrbutts!

08-30-2011, 05:41 AM	#2
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	It's possible, but improbable with the current symptoms and bloodwork. You can run a Spec cPL to be which is what I'd be doing. "If" it is pancreatitis (big if), then nothing by mouth. That's why fluids would be needed. I'm very concerned that he is still hiding and do wonder about pain. I'd be inclined to rule out pancreatitis and have the vet look for where the pain could be coming from. His legs and back all been palpated? If he was just burping with no vomiting or diarrhea, I wouldn't be totally convinced that it's intestinal. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

08-30-2011, 05:47 AM	#3
spr377 Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 2,015	IV fluid might be a good thing. I agree that he may be hiding due to pain. Hope your baby feels better soon! What part of Upstate? I'm near Rochester! __________________ Piper Leo Baby Piccolo

08-30-2011, 06:42 AM	#4
gidget529 Gidget & Sidney's Mom Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: PA Posts: 3,462	When my Cricket would get her bouts of pancreatitis, her intestines would fill up with air and she would have extreme pain. She had vomiting and diarrhea with most of the bouts. She would receive antibiotics, antiemetic (antinausea/vomiting) drug, and a pain med. Depending on how quick I got her in (she had chronic pancreatitis in her elderly years), she may or may not require IV fluids and hospitalization. I would definitely have a cPL done. I would be concerned about the prolonged hiding. I agree w Ellie May, I would have a workup for where this pain is coming from if the cPL is negative. If it is pancreatitis, his diet will have to change. Cricket was on a prescription I/D canned food we got from the vet. It was not expensive. It really wasn't much more than what we paid for her food already. Hope you get some answers for poor little Tucker and he gets back to being his old self again. __________________ Mommy to Gidget, Sidney & Cricket(RIP)

08-30-2011, 06:57 AM	#7
hugz4all4 YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: upstate NY Posts: 2,114 Blog Entries: 1	The vet also discovered that he has an LP in his left leg, but his right one was fine... __________________ Love all 9 of my furrbutts!

08-30-2011, 07:00 AM	#8
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	Steroids can really make the pancreas angry... If the vet thinks it could be pancreatitis, then the test needs to be ran because a dx would mean nothing by mouth. Happy he isn't in pain, but if he is still hiding, then I bet he is. Forgot about the gas filled intestines. And if there was a pain response, that's a concern. Could be just a little virus, but I'd be ruling out pancreas issues today. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

08-30-2011, 07:06 AM	#9
hugz4all4 YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: upstate NY Posts: 2,114 Blog Entries: 1	this is what I found about predisone and pancreatitis..:( There are a ton of evidence supporting that this could be why Tucker was sick.....He is on predisone for his itching. He has had only 2 pills, his second one being on friday, he starting getting sick on saturday. His sugar level did come back elevated on his blood work, but the vet told me it was because he is on the prednisone. She told me to stop it for now. I guess I will be stopping for good. Pancreatitis \| B-Naturals.Com Newsletter http://www.nativeremedies.com/petali...e-in-dogs.shtm THE USE OF PREDNISONE IN DOGS - Chinaroad Lowchens of Australia - __________________ Love all 9 of my furrbutts!

08-30-2011, 07:10 AM	#11
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	BTW, I do highly doubt it is a back issue (not overly common in Yorkies) or a leg issue (you'd probably see some favoring). But just fyi Ellie presented with occasional pain when touching her sides - abdominal area and the vet couldn't get a pain response from the spine (went to her regular vet and she got the response). So you never know.. But gas filled intestines tells me probably abdominal. I really am still confused about why no drugs were given or anything and why the vet is saying keep feeding and continue with pred knowing that it could be the pancreas? __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

08-30-2011, 07:39 AM	#14
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	That's really up to you. If a dog is in pain and it is indeed the pancreas and they continue to get fed, well, that's not something I'd be comfortable with. But as long as you trust your vet.. Steroids can do some funny things to the blood. But also pancreatitis can raise the sugar. I'd wonder if it just wasn't settling right, but if you stopped it on Sunday he really shouldn't still be hiding. If you are giving things by mouth, there is no reason not to add in a drug to help his intestines, but that is JMO. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

08-30-2011, 07:55 AM	#15
gidget529 Gidget & Sidney's Mom Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: PA Posts: 3,462	The reason they prescribe nothing by mouth (usually for 12 hours) is bc the pancreas works during digestion. When not feeding, the angry pancreas has time to rest and get less cranky. That is why the vet is saying "small meals"; however, if pancreatitis is suspected there are ppl who would say nothing by mouth for 12 hours to let the pancreas rest. My dog always received antibiotic also and antiemetic. Pancreatitis causes a lot of pain and nausea. The antiemetic helps w that feeling of tummy upset and nausea. __________________ Mommy to Gidget, Sidney & Cricket(RIP)