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Old 04-05-2011, 11:25 AM   #1
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OK so Polo and I have lurked long enough, and we decided to finally become members. Polo is a little over a year old. I remember seeing a thread that contained information to a nutritionist that would walk you through home cooking for your yorkie. There was a fee involved, and a telephone consultation... I tried doing searches but keep getting no results... Am I losing it, or was there a thread with that information?

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Don't know who specifically you're looking for but, I have consulted with Sabine Contreras, at the link below.

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OK so Polo and I have lurked long enough, and we decided to finally become members. Polo is a little over a year old. I remember seeing a thread that contained information to a nutritionist that would walk you through home cooking for your yorkie. There was a fee involved, and a telephone consultation... I tried doing searches but keep getting no results... Am I losing it, or was there a thread with that information?

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Dr. Rebecca Remillard has a website, www.petdiets.com and you can get a diet made for your dog for $25. She's a board certified veterinary nutritionist. If you need a medical diet for a dog with a medical need, you can contact her through the MSPCA Angell Memorial website for a consult which will cost more (www.mspca.org) but if you need just a regular Home Cooked diet, the first link works. My Teddy eats the "chicken and brown rice with veggies for dogs" that I paid $25 for.
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http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...itionists.html

If you want your Yorkie's recipe to meet AAFCO or NRC standards (dog foods are expected to meet AAFCO), then it's almost always necessary to use a board certified veterinary nutritionist (a veterinarian who is also an animal nutritionist).

A few of use use Dr. Remillard out of Angell.

Petdiets.com and balanceit.com have recipes that you can get pretty cheap that would be balanced. They are only for adult, altered, and healthy animals though; otherwise, a consult would be necessary. When possible, if buying from one of these sites, I'd try to go with an option that says lower fat.
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OK so Polo and I have lurked long enough, and we decided to finally become members. Polo is a little over a year old. I remember seeing a thread that contained information to a nutritionist that would walk you through home cooking for your yorkie. There was a fee involved, and a telephone consultation... I tried doing searches but keep getting no results... Am I losing it, or was there a thread with that information?

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So glad you joined, Jim! That thread EllieMay linked you to should help - and you've already gotten good advice - so I just wanted to say Welcome. I've heard nothing but good things about Dr. R .
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Thank you all for the warm welcome, and the links. We recently had a bad experience with a particular kibble Polo was eating. Having seen him look as dehydated as he was, i swore I'd take matters into my own hands.

So let me ask this, for those that are home cooking, are you happy ? So if I go the petdiets route and get a recipe along with the supplement, is this all Polo will eat?
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Yes, you can feed solely homecooked as long as you give the supplement. You can give kibble too though. It's up to you.

I have homecooked for a few years now. I don't like taking the time to do it. It is hard to travel with. It isn't as easy for other people to take over and feed. I find that more meals are needed because there is so much moisture in it (not calorically dense enough). It can get expensive. Quality control/making sure it isn't in the fridge for too long, etc. is on me and I don't like that.

I like being able to do it for my girl. I don't recommend it unless htere is a mecial reason. IMO, kibble fed dogs can do just as well and I'm not totally convinced that it's worth the effort.
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Thank you all for the warm welcome, and the links. We recently had a bad experience with a particular kibble Polo was eating. Having seen him look as dehydated as he was, i swore I'd take matters into my own hands.

So let me ask this, for those that are home cooking, are you happy ? So if I go the petdiets route and get a recipe along with the supplement, is this all Polo will eat?
I have home cooked since Barney and Daisy were puppies and they are almost 11. They show little signs of aging despite bad breeding and I attribute that mostly to consistent veterinary care and keeping up with wellness visits but also to home cooking. I have been very happy with the results and I would not trade it for kibble. I have used kibble in conjunction with home cooking, but I mostly have done exclusively home cooked. When Teddy joined our family he went to home cooked food and some commercial puppy food. I have been both supported and admonished by veterinarians with my approach but I have been happy with it and it has been the right decision for me and my dogs.

There are challenges to home cooking and to do it right means you are consistent. In my kitchen that means - organic high quality food, sanitary kitchen conditions, proper storage, freezing at subzero and vacuum packaging, proper defrosting, fresh supplementation and fresh fish oils. It means an incremental gram scale where all food is weighed and portioned to perfection and supplements are not rounded, they are weighted to increments of grams. I know what I feed my dogs is 100% balanced properly as fed so that I can be rest assured knowing that what has been formulated for them is what they are getting when I feed it.

The downside to home cooking -
shopping
cost
time for preparation / storage
storage
lack of portability

The other problem with home cooking is that most people do not do it 100% in a militaristic type of way and they tend to "skip" things. This is not a good thing when home cooking for dogs.
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Just checked out the Sabine Contreras site. There is a sale on consult right now. Might be something to check out.
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Yes, you can feed solely homecooked as long as you give the supplement. You can give kibble too though. It's up to you.

I have homecooked for a few years now. I don't like taking the time to do it. It is hard to travel with. It isn't as easy for other people to take over and feed. I find that more meals are needed because there is so much moisture in it (not calorically dense enough). It can get expensive. Quality control/making sure it isn't in the fridge for too long, etc. is on me and I don't like that.

I like being able to do it for my girl. I don't recommend it unless htere is a mecial reason. IMO, kibble fed dogs can do just as well and I'm not totally convinced that it's worth the effort.
At last, someone who feels the same way I do!

Homecooking seems to be very popular now and a frightening amount of people aren't doing it correctly. I read over and over again on forums how people are just winging it, making up their own recipes, not adding supplements, etc.

It's so important to remember that if homecooking isn't done correctly, you can actually harm your dog. You must get regular bloodwork to insure all his nutritional needs are being met. For most healthy, young dogs, a high quality commercial dog food is an excellent choice.

With that said, I have been homecooking for my 15 year old Lady for about three years now. She has so many health issues including diabetes and liver disease plus she had three episodes of HGE within a four month period, I simply ran out of commercial food she could eat. She has done beautifully on it! Her bloodwork is perfect (ALT back to normal) and she is healthier that she has been all her life.

But.......it's very expensive and a lot of work, just as Crystal said.
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I'd like to not mind doing it like so many other people seem to. Just gets reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly old - if you don't wanna cook, mix, and measure, then your dog starves, so ya better get in that kitchen! Ugh.

I do it because I have to. We have tried many recipes, and while her old one worked well for a long time, now she doesn't do perfect on anything (people or dog food). She does slightly better on people food than dog food, so that's why I have to do it. But I don't believe that we have held off any health issues by doing it.

She has a skinny/malnutrition thing going on and her enzymes don't completely take care of it, so she eats a ton. Too much for her belly.. HA didn't work for her before, but I think I'm going to try it again. It'll give me and her belly a break.
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I'd like to not mind doing it like so many other people seem to. Just gets reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly old - if you don't wanna cook, mix, and measure, then your dog starves, so ya better get in that kitchen! Ugh.

I do it because I have to. We have tried many recipes, and while her old one worked well for a long time, now she doesn't do perfect on anything (people or dog food). She does slightly better on people food than dog food, so that's why I have to do it. But I don't believe that we have held off any health issues by doing it.

She has a skinny/malnutrition thing going on and her enzymes don't completely take care of it, so she eats a ton. Too much for her belly.. HA didn't work for her before, but I think I'm going to try it again. It'll give me and her belly a break.
Do you give her probioctics and digestive enzymes? It's made a huge difference for Lady. She lost a lot of weight a few years ago and I couldn't get it back on her. She wasn't digesting her food properly (could tell by her pop - enough said!) and I am sure it led to her HGE. Lady's pancreas is pretty shot (diabetes) so I am sure that had a lot to do with it.

I remind myself how well she has done when I am cooking oatmeal at midnight!
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rofl lmbo. I run out at the oddest hours too! Then her rice ends up sitting otu all night and I have to throw it all away..

Tried probiotics. Didn't seem to do a thing for her. Yes, she is on generic Viokase. Her pancreas gets angry easily. She is treated a lot like an EPI dog. Still required a ton of food though. She wouldn't probably maintain her weight at 1/3c+ 4x daily which is just too much. Too many times for me to feed and too much that she has to eat. Might try the Viokase next time instead of the generic though. Probably a bit stronger.
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