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Old 02-15-2011, 06:24 PM   #1
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Hello Guys,

So Lotus is 16 weeks tomorrow, and I have read that puppies usually can hold their bladder depending on how many months old they are plus 1 extra hour. so lotus is supposed to be able to hold her bladder for 4 hours or so?

i am just a little bit concerned, because recently.. i am not sure if its a behavioral issue or if she might have an infection, havent taken her to the vet yet, but i am planning to on thursday or friday.

i will take her out, and then like 10 or 15 mins later she will pee in the house.(shes done this a few times already) its not much..maybe just a little, then when i take her out.. she will pee..like not even that much. and when she does have an accident in the house..its not like she is sniffing around..she generally just sitting there...and just pees..while staring at me of course.. also i noticed when she pees..she lifts up one leg a little..not sure if its because she may be hurting??

i just notice she's having one two many accidents in the amount of time i take her out.. (i take her out a lot too...probably liek every hour, or even every two hours)
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You're right. She needs to be checked.
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Hello Guys,

So Lotus is 16 weeks tomorrow, and I have read that puppies usually can hold their bladder depending on how many months old they are plus 1 extra hour. so lotus is supposed to be able to hold her bladder for 4 hours or so?

i am just a little bit concerned, because recently.. i am not sure if its a behavioral issue or if she might have an infection, havent taken her to the vet yet, but i am planning to on thursday or friday.

i will take her out, and then like 10 or 15 mins later she will pee in the house.(shes done this a few times already) its not much..maybe just a little, then when i take her out.. she will pee..like not even that much. and when she does have an accident in the house..its not like she is sniffing around..she generally just sitting there...and just pees..while staring at me of course.. also i noticed when she pees..she lifts up one leg a little..not sure if its because she may be hurting??

i just notice she's having one two many accidents in the amount of time i take her out.. (i take her out a lot too...probably liek every hour, or even every two hours)
One of mine did that and it turned out it was a UTI they gave her antibotics and she quit having minor accidents...like as you described.
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Kendra,

How does the vet diagnose it? did they just get a urine sample?

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One of mine did that and it turned out it was a UTI they gave her antibotics and she quit having minor accidents...like as you described.
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If you can get a sample to bring in they will test it. If not, they will catheterize her to get urine. My vet charges about 15 pus the charge for the urinalysis. It may be because she is young but I would want to make sure and have the vet check her out.
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any ideas on how i could get a urine sample... hold a small cup under her??! she would probably look at me crazy...

poor girl..i feel so sorry for her, giardia now this. just my luck.
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You follow them around until they squat and then stick something under to catch it (measuring cup, ladle, etc.). Put it in a clean container. This is free catch. It works sometimes, but some vets will want to take some anyway because the sample wouldn't be sterile.

Syringing urine off of the floor or from the back of a peepad is the least sterild and wouldn't be recommended when checking for infection.

Around here it is usually taken by cystocentesis (needle in the bladder which is not a big deal - most pups don't mind). This is sterile and sometimes necessary.

You can ask your vet what they prefer before trying to get pee from your baby. Whenever an infection is suspected here, we always do cysto.
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Our dogs have always had sterile samples taken by ultrasound-guided cystocentisis. I agree completely with Ellie May on this, and would avoid catheterization and I would not bring in a free catch sample as it is not sterile. We've done about 15 of these on Daisy for a UTI that was up into her kidney recently and resistent and it is a two second ordeal and very non-invasive. My boys also have samples taken from ultrasound-guided cystocentisis.
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How does the vet diagnose it? did they just get a urine sample?


Our vet is very experienced...he said the symptoms of such are certain things, she met that criteria...put her on antibotics and it cleared up...if it hadn't have cleared up it would of meant something else. Our vet doesn't run expensive tests for what he calls the obvious, things any vet school student should be able to recognize. We've used him for 20 years and he's been right every time. I don't think he's too stumped by the common ailments of animals. I had just posted yesterday in another thread about how he feels vets who run tests for the basic things are either very inept or rip offs.
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I forgot to mention that cystocentisis is not very expensive. Here in the overpriced northeast, it is about $28 and a urinalysis is $40.

Also I would like to share my recent experience with you. My dog Daisy had to undergo surgery and routine bloodwork and urine was taken in preparation for the surgery. She had no symptoms of a UTI but her urinalysis showed not only an E. coli infection but also an abnormal specific gravity and other irregularities. We treated her with Clavamox, a commonly prescribed UTI antibiotic. She was re-tested to see if the infection cleared and guess what? It did not. To make a long story short, she had an infection in the bladder that crept up to the kidney and the only reason we even knew about it was because we did lab testing. She had to be placed on a second antibiotic, Simplicef for 6 weeks. Daisy is almost 11 and has many medical problems. If untreated, this infection could have lingered and lingered and possibly resulted in kidney damage. And we would not have known unless we did a urinalysis!

I also would rather be $28 or $40 poorer than to gamble with my dogs. I would personally run from a vet who did not offer me a urinalysis if my dog had symptoms of a UTI. I can't stand outmoded ancient vets - time for retirement!
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We do u/a yearly even with no symptoms. Here cystos range from $0-$11 with u/s. U/A's are $36 ($26 if also getting bloodwork). Very cheap. The symptoms of UTI are also the symptoms of a lot of other things, so anytime a U/A is skipped, a risk is being taken.
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I forgot to mention that cystocentisis is not very expensive. Here in the overpriced northeast, it is about $28 and a urinalysis is $40.

Also I would like to share my recent experience with you. My dog Daisy had to undergo surgery and routine bloodwork and urine was taken in preparation for the surgery. She had no symptoms of a UTI but her urinalysis showed not only an E. coli infection but also an abnormal specific gravity and other irregularities. We treated her with Clavamox, a commonly prescribed UTI antibiotic. She was re-tested to see if the infection cleared and guess what? It did not. To make a long story short, she had an infection in the bladder that crept up to the kidney and the only reason we even knew about it was because we did lab testing. She had to be placed on a second antibiotic, Simplicef for 6 weeks. Daisy is almost 11 and has many medical problems. If untreated, this infection could have lingered and lingered and possibly resulted in kidney damage. And we would not have known unless we did a urinalysis!

I also would rather be $28 or $40 poorer than to gamble with my dogs. I would personally run from a vet who did not offer me a urinalysis if my dog had symptoms of a UTI. I can't stand outmoded ancient vets - time for retirement!

And we would not have known unless we did a urinalysis!

And you would not have know unless they did a urinalysis...why? Because they told you that? Did you expect them to say "oh yes we know what it is but were going to run this test?" There are often two very different sides to be considered.
OBVIOUSLY, if it hadn't have cleared up then tests would be recommended, but if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck and not a gambling situation.
Experienced/knowledgable/outmoded/ancient/Sorry give me an older vet with real life experience anytime.
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And we would not have known unless we did a urinalysis!
And you would not have know unless they did a urinalysis...why? Because they told you that? Did you expect them to say "oh yes we know what it is but were going to run this test?" There are often two very different sides to be considered.
OBVIOUSLY, if it hadn't have cleared up then tests would be recommended, but if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck and not a gambling situation.
Experienced/knowledgable/outmoded/ancient/Sorry give me an older vet with real life experience anytime.

Did you see the part where she had no symptoms?
ETA: I dont actually understand your post, so forget it. You can do what you want, I'll do what is appropriate.
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And we would not have known unless we did a urinalysis!

And you would not have know unless they did a urinalysis...why? Because they told you that? Did you expect them to say "oh yes we know what it is but were going to run this test?" There are often two very different sides to be considered.
OBVIOUSLY, if it hadn't have cleared up then tests would be recommended, but if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck and not a gambling situation.
Experienced/knowledgable/outmoded/ancient/Sorry give me an older vet with real life experience anytime.
Sorry didn't mean to sound rude...it's just you even stated there was no symptomology of a UTI, so naturally no one would treat it as such, and your dog was old with medical problems...big difference between all that and a young healthy dog showing signs of a UTI, which is reasonable to treat as such initially.

It's like having kids I'm sure, at some point (with an established relationship with your medical doctor) you're able to use your motherly experience and dx your child and simply confer with the doctor on the proper course of treatment, some things are not "brain surgery".
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Sorry didn't mean to sound rude...it's just you even stated there was no symptomology of a UTI, so naturally no one would treat it as such, and your dog was old with medical problems...big difference between all that and a young healthy dog showing signs of a UTI, which is reasonable to treat as such initially.

It's like having kids I'm sure, at some point (with an established relationship with your medical doctor) you're able to use your motherly experience and dx your child and simply confer with the doctor on the proper course of treatment, some things are not "brain surgery".
Well thanks for saying that and if I sounded rude about old timer vets I also apologize.

I agree that not all things are brain surgery and that is why you need a vet that you can trust that you know is not milking you as a cash cow. I have had both experiences - the one you described where the vet treated a set of symptoms and was right -- and vets that treated symptoms and were wrong. Teddy is an example - as a 10 week old pup he was dribbling urine and seemingly straining. I brought him to the vet on the second day of owning him to address this. He was squirming and hyper as a puppy and they just could not get a sample via cysto for whatever reason. They gave him a course of antibiotics. The problem lingered. I wish they had gotten the sample or that maybe I took him somewhere else because the problem lingered....and as I said, his symptoms were more subtle and not so "duck" like. I was the only one thinking a problem was brewing. Thank god I'm amazingly annoying and persistent because finally finally they did a urinalysis when Teddy was neutered and there was no bacteria but there were crystals. Both problems lingered until I changed vets and insisted they get to the bottom of it. It cost me a lot of time and money and poor Teddy was uncomfortable.

We all have our experiences that shape our actions and I am strongly in favor of doing testing because it is objective not subjective. Teddy would have a bladder full of stones if I ignored his very minor and subtle urinary habits. Daisy might be in kidney failure if not for a routine UA. So I try to help others based on my experiences here and I do not appreciate implications that I engaged in overspending, my vet being inexperienced or milking me as a cash cow, or me or my vet being stupid. All of those things are not helpful to the OP who needs to be able to discuss info with her vet, and we should collectively give peole the tools to do that.

On this topics, I stand my ground that if a UA is done, and I think it should be done, that the best way to do it and obtain the most sterile sample is by a cheaply priced cystocentisis procedure.
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