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12-01-2010, 02:23 PM | #1 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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| Boys peeing and pooping on bedding/food issues Boys peeing and pooping on bedding/food issues I have 2 8 month old male yorkies. I was told they are brothers by the person who sold them to me... They immediately had a tendency to go on their own bedding so [COLOR=green ! important][COLOR=green ! important]crate[/COLOR][/COLOR] training is obviously difficult! and now mine when they have the trots. (the first few nights with me they slept through without issue). re: [COLOR=green ! important][COLOR=green ! important]diet[/COLOR][/COLOR]. They won't eat any [COLOR=green ! important][COLOR=green ! important]dog [COLOR=green ! important]food[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]. Royal Canin, Acana (puppy breed and I've tried lamb and apple formula) nor the one the lady provided to me she claimed they had been eating. I'm trying to get them to eat meat (tried chicken, turkey and boiled beef) but they will only eat raw Sweet Potatoes (so far their absolute favorite food), raw Apple and fried egg as a protein. So now we're getting the runs a bit. They absolutely devour the duck treats but I can't give that as a food! I have ordered a food deydrator so I can experiment with my own meats. I'll talk about the food issue on another posting area as well.. just wanted to clarify that diarrhea was also a recent issue to the going on bedding. I've been trying to [COLOR=green ! important][COLOR=green ! important]litter [COLOR=green ! important]box[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] train them and they were doing fairly well until recently... I'm assuming because of the diarrhea. I'm very suspicious that the previous owner/owners kept the dogs in an environment where they had no choice but to go on their own bedding. Dogs never do this I've been told and crate training would they their first visit with the vet and one round of shots (missed their 12 and 16 week shots so they have to catch up) They aren't fixed yet as the vet says they need to gain more weight and of course they need another round of shots first.. so I'm having to wait at least another month or 2. Marking is only somewhat of an issue.. the bedding thing is way worse of course. I'm doing lots of [COLOR=green ! important][COLOR=green ! important]laundry[/COLOR][/COLOR]! Once the diarrhea has cleared up I'm sure things will get better... Just wondering if anyone has suggestions. I've looked at the recipe thread and will try some of those out to see if they can have a more [COLOR=green ! important][COLOR=green ! important]balanced [COLOR=green ! important]diet[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] as well. I'm thinking the eggs is a bit too much for them somehow. |
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12-02-2010, 08:01 AM | #2 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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| Sorry for the COLOR lines. I am new to the site and once my post was approved I realized it was in the wrong section and copied it here. Then it went up without my being able to edit it and fix it. Update: They are now eating raw food from tollden farms and finally enjoying a protein other than eggs and their poop is hard again... BUT the pooping/peeing issue on bedding is still an issue so I have crated them the last 2 nights. I'm at my wits end. Not sure where to turn. |
12-02-2010, 04:37 PM | #3 |
♥ Maximo and Teddy Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northern Virginia
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| Congratulations on the new additions to your family. My boys are full brothers, Max and Teddy. Sorry to hear that the boys came from some bad circumstances and that you are facing some challenges. Here is a thread that might help you: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...nt-her-rc.html I agree with those who say that the more "people" food you feed, the less likely the dogs are going to settle for kibble. Make sure whatever you feed is a complete and balanced diet. Dog can become very sick very quickly on an unbalanced diet. Pottying on the beds may be related to sickness, or as you indicated, a sign that it is all they know. Potty training them is going to require intensive work with a lot of supervision. I would recommend against crate training or any confinement to a crate. Limit their roaming space in your home to one room or an xpen where you can watch them. Take them to a piddle pad or outdoors to potty at regular intervals. In the beginning, do this frequently and at key times such as first thing in the morning, after meals, after playtime, and before bedtime. When they potty in the correct place, throw a party and praise them profusely. Never stop praising for good potty habits. Give them a small treat for each successful potty. Hope this helps. |
12-02-2010, 10:31 PM | #4 | |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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that's not at all normal for dogs. I've had dogs my whole life.. mostly pre-owned except for my Lhasa who lived to 14. These doggies are adorable but I had no idea I was going to have this much trouble | |
12-02-2010, 10:33 PM | #5 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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| well shut my mouth. I was sitting here on the couch as I type this and had put both boys in the pee area confined.. and I kept smelling pee.. one of them peed on the couch! |
12-03-2010, 05:57 AM | #6 | |
♥ Maximo and Teddy Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northern Virginia
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You may have to look into using belly bands on the boys. | |
12-03-2010, 07:54 AM | #7 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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| My prior reply to the couch incident didn't post.. guess because I quoted some text from another poster it went into the need to be approved queu.. so I'll try to explain what I did. I came home last night. one or both had pooped in the crate. I sat on the floor to play with them in between the threshold of the kitchen (probably sitting 3 feet away from their toilet area). I gave them treats for being ''good'' in the crate while I was gone.. and tried to monitor their behaviour so I could encourage them to use the toilet. One grabbed his treat as is their normal behaviour and ran to the couch... so I thought nothing of it. The other ran to their bedding. This is when I caught him peeing and put him in the right area.. well put both in the right area.. this time confined. As I was righting my story up.. I smelled pee nearby me.. very strange as they had never gone near the couch or on the area rug.. started sniffing and found it on the blanket on the couch! Timmy had gone on the couch! As I slept last night I realized what was going on. Because I was sitting on the floor..the 2 of them went away from where I was.. they are just trying to avoid going on or near me. Now of course I shriek when I catch them.. it's a reflex to run and grab them in the act..but more in anguish rather than anger.. and now they are getting more submissive (but only during this moment or 2). They seem to know they are in trouble for sure.. but don't understand what to do about it. Unfortunately I can't get them fixed yet because the vet says they need to gain more weight.. and they need another round of shots as they are way behind in their care that way. She did say though that if it gets to be too much we can talk about it. Max is the bigger one (still only 5 lbs though) and could more likely handle the anesthetic. I think they'll eventually get it.. but in the meantime I just want to protect my furniture! It's brand new Thankfully I caught it before it seeped through the blanket. |
12-03-2010, 07:55 AM | #8 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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12-03-2010, 09:44 AM | #9 |
♥ Maximo and Teddy Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northern Virginia
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| Sorry for all the confusion, I see your earlier post now. You do have a challenge. I understand your reaction when you catch them in the act. Giving them an even-toned "no" is fine. Then bring them immediately to the potty area and use keywords or phrases indicating "potty here." Of course, they have already done their business, so they won't do more at that moment, but is is good reinforcement. I believe it is okay, maybe helpful, to sound sympathetic when you are catching them and re-directing them. No scolding, it is counterproductive. What are you using for potty pads? I highly recommend the disposable pads that are infused with a scent to attract the dogs. Clean all accidents with an enzyme product like "Nature's Miracle" to remove the smell. Dogs have a very keen sense of smell and will return to accident sites over and over. A belly band is a material belt that fits around the belly. A feminine pad is inserted inside the band to absorb urine if the dog tries to pee. Most dogs learn not to pee until the belly band is removed. People use them primarily for dogs prone to marking inside the house. They aren't intended as a diaper, just extra protection. In other words, make sure the dog still has ample opportunity to potty. For belly bands, post a thread in the "Yorkie products for sale or wanted" requesting info and names of sellers. I haven't used them, but I know quite a few people have great success with them. |
12-03-2010, 09:52 AM | #10 | |
♥ Maximo and Teddy Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northern Virginia
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Was the crate open and they chose to go there, or did you have them in the crate? Sorry if I am not understanding correctly. Try an xpen with a potty pad in one corner -- a pad infused with the scent to attract the dog. | |
12-03-2010, 01:12 PM | #11 | |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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yes.. it's good advice to be more gentle with the no when they go in the wrong spot.. I have to learn to calm down about that but my natural inclination is to jump up and exclaim.. and although I'm not yelling at them with anger it might as well be the same thing to them. They just look confused when I do this.. I'm trying to be vigilant but of course that energy can be felt.. so it's probably counter productive. Last night they slept in the crate without so much as one bark so they're getting used to it.. but yes.. to answer your question the first toilet mistake happened with the crate open and Max went back in to go on it! now they tend to go on the floor.. thank god and avoid the area rug in my living room (weird.. as my lhasa had a tendency to go on a rug if at all possible) I do use the nature's miracle and believe it or not I think I've seen max lick it up or at least try to.. man they're curious. I'm using pee pads.. but am not sure where I would find the scented ones. I initially used a pheremone treated pee post I got at Petsmart but they only tried to chew it. Plus wouldn't their own scented (soiled pads) be enough of an encouragement to go back there? Like I said they will go in that area and bring their treats/food or rawhide on occasion as well.. I went to a spiritual book store today and got a book on holistic treatments as I feel a bach flower remedy or homeopathic may help. On one episode of dog whisperer a difficult anxious dog did amazingly well with a fear issue after having one acupuncture treatment.. I think the answer may lie on another level.. | |
12-03-2010, 02:10 PM | #12 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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| update #2. Timmy just climbed up on the back of the couch and squatted a pee.. Now.. perhaps I've let these guys have way too much cuddling. They both like to sit snuggled up with me on the sofa where I recline.. and sometimes Timmmy climbs up on the back of the sofa (My lhasa did the same thing) but mostly he likes to snuggle up on my chest as I recline right up against my neck. he rarely lets Max have this spot and will snarl occasionally at him if he wants the same spot. But this is getting ridiculous.. I thought the couch thing might have been a one time deal last night and my proximity or lack of to it the issue.... this time he went a mere 3 feet away from me.. it's almost like they think it's a good thing to pee for me!? Is it possible negative reinforcement is encouraging them? |
12-03-2010, 02:11 PM | #13 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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| okay. I don't get this.. some of my posts go straight up and others need to be moderated.. update 1 is missing still which I posted probably an hour prior.. |
12-03-2010, 03:09 PM | #14 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 19
| I am going to try separate smaller crates tonight.. no room to pee/poop and give up the idea of puppy pads as per my vets suggestion. It's cold out but we spent a few minutes outside today and Timmy peed for the first time outdoors (to my knowledge). She said they can handle up to 15 minutes even though they are shivering.. |
12-03-2010, 03:18 PM | #15 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: CT
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| KC my little boy was a rehome who came to me when he was 2 years old. He was never house trained and I think his first family gave up trying to teach him. When he came to my home I watched him like a hawk and took him out side once every hour. I walked and walked him around the field until he would pee and then I gave him hugs, rewards and tons of praise. Over and over I kept up the hourly walks for probably the first 2 to three months and then he finally got it. When I can not watch him (while working)I keep him gated in the kitchen with a scented pee pad. He rarely has accidents now...only if I leave him to long with out a break or if he knows it's raining spoiled boy. You just have to be patient and remember these little ones have tiny little bladders and need to pee more often than bigger dogs. Good luck with your new family! Snow |
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