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10-11-2010, 01:27 PM | #1 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Arizona
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| How Many Shots is Too Many? I am hoping to get some advice on puppy shots. According to my breeder, my new 13 week old furbaby has had all of the shots she needs and shouldn't get her rabies until she is 6 months old. She received one Bordetella and 3 DA2PP from the breeder at 6, 9, 12 weeks. BUT my vet has a different opinion. The Dr. says she needs another Bordetella and a DA2PP now and rabies at 4 months. I just want to make sure she isn't over vaccinated. Thanks! Last edited by Winston08; 10-11-2010 at 01:29 PM. |
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10-11-2010, 01:47 PM | #2 |
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| Have you read this sticky? http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-overview.html I'm not sure about the 2nd bordetella - it's been too long since I had a puppy. I think a lot also depends on the size of your yorkie. I always waited until 6 months to get the rabies. You are right to be concerned about over-vaccination. Vets are good at it! But I would urge you to read the above sticky and do your own research, so that you can make the best possible decisions for what you want for your yorkie. I hope some others will come on and offer advice. Is your yorkie still sneezing? One thing I will offer advice on is to never get any vaccinations while they are sick or not up to par.
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10-11-2010, 04:36 PM | #3 |
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| I'll give you some info from the experts........ "Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces immunity, which is good for the life of the pet (ie: canine distemper, parvo, feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine and there is little or no effect. The titers are not “boosted” nor are more memory cells induced. "J Dodds, DVM "What are the ethical and legal implications if vets continue to insist their clients unnecessarily re-vaccinate their dogs annually or triennially with core MLV vaccines? These recommendations are not evidence-based. It is not ethical practice to urge clients to have medical interventions for their pets that are not needed and which may cause harm – Ronald Schultz calls this “an unacceptable medical procedure”. "It is commonly held that puppies need a certain number of vaccines for protection to be achieved (usually either 3 or 4 is the “magic” number). The number of vaccines given has nothing to do with protection. In order for protection to be achieved, vaccine must be given when it can penetrate maternal antibody. " (American Animal Hospital Association) "Earlier vaccine guidelines issued by the AAHA Canine Vaccine Task Force in 2003 note that MLV vaccines are likely to provide lifelong immunity, stating “when MLV vaccines are used to immunize a dog, memory cells develop and likely persist for the life of the animal”. Professor Ronald Schultz, a renowned expert in immunology, says that if a puppy is immunized with the three MLV vaccines to prevent parvovirus, distemper virus and adenovirus “there is every reason to believe the vaccinated animal will have up to life-long immunity”. Schultz advises that puppies should be revaccinated at one year of age with the vaccines used earlier. After that he does not believe there is any immunologic need to revaccinate annually with these vaccines." "Ronald Schultz provides an analogy with human measles vaccination, noting we don’t regularly revaccinate people. Schultz notes “the immune system of a person is similar to that of an animal, and since immunity persists for the life of a person (average 70+ years), then why wouldn’t immunity from canine or feline vaccines persist for 10 to 15 years? The answer is that many canine and feline vaccines do provide the same lifelong immunity”. "The AAHA Guidelines Special Report state on Page 18 that: “We now know that booster injections are of no value in dogs already immune, and immunity from distemper infection and vaccination lasts for a minimum of 7 years based on challenge studies and up to 15 years (a lifetime) based on antibody titer.”They further state that hepatitis and parvovirus vaccines have been proven to protect for a minimum of 7 years by challenge and up to 9 and 10 years based on antibody count." "The people of the State of Texas have paid over $360 million dollars per year for vaccinations that are unnecessary and potentially harmful to their pets. Over 600,000 pets suffer every year from adverse reactions to unnecessary vaccinations. Many of them die. A survey by the American Animal Hospital Association shows that less than 7% of Veterinarians have updated their vaccination recommendations, in spite of the fact that these new recommendations have been published twice in every major Veterinary Medical Journal since 1995." (Dr. Rogers) "One of the veterinary pioneers, Dr. W. Jean Dodds, president of the nonprofit animal version of the Red Cross called Hemopet, reported that the recommendations for annual vaccines were just that -- recommendations. They were not based on any scientific evidence. The recommendations for annual vaccination were put forth jointly by the United States Department of Agriculture and the drug companies, more than twenty years ago. And veterinary medicine has continued to do it that way because, well, that’s the way it’s always been done." Anecdotally, Ronald Schultz reports: "I have also been told by many practitioners that: “I believe the duration of immunity for some vaccines like distemper, parvovirus and hepatitis is many years, but until I find another way to get the client into my office on a regular basis I’m going to keep recommending vaccines annually”.107(Schultz, R.D. 2007. )
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10-11-2010, 06:18 PM | #4 |
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| When vaccines are given too early, they are totally ineffective. Current recommendations would say that 6 weeks is much too young to begin vaccinating toy breeds. Even though 3 rounds have been given (which is the current recommendation), the first round probably didn't do much, and perhaps the 2nd round as well. I am very cautious when it comes to vaccinating, but in this case I would most likely give one more round (but not for another 3 weeks) followed by the booster. But, I would not give rabies until at least 6 months. If your furbaby has already has the intranasal bordatella, I would not give it again until 6 months has passed.
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10-11-2010, 06:38 PM | #5 |
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| Look at the sticky on Vaccinations to be sure but it's supposed to be DHPP (lil ones done need L) at 9,12 & 15 weeks. Then Rabies and the final round of DHPP at 5-6 months. Then you don't need any more shots until 1 year boosters(& follow up rabies) Bordatella CAN be given 2x a year( immunity lasts on avg 6 months) but can also be given once a year. It's based on preference and your furbaby's exposure to the groomer/dog park/ strange dogs.
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10-12-2010, 11:07 AM | #6 |
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| I have not read all the vaccine research out there, but here's what I know from experience. Vinnie, my older yorkie, got very sick after one of his vaccination rounds (he was about 2 or 3 at the time). He vommited for days, ran a fever, and was just generally miserable. I think he received 3-4 vaccinations at that time. Since then, we just do a rabies. We don't need bordatella because he is not kenneled. And we have titer testing done for everything else. He has not had a distemper shot in years but still has sufficient antibodies for protection. According to my vet, most dogs will retain antibodies from their first round of vaccinations and, therefore, never really require another vaccination. Using this method has worked for us.
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10-14-2010, 11:18 AM | #7 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Westmont, IL
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| Reading about vaccines today made me wonder if i have a good vet. He gave Freddy 2 x DHPP incl. L, luckily he didn't react to the L at 12 weeks and 16 weeks. I told the vet when i got Freddy he came with NO shots at all. After the 2 visits the vet told me that Freddy was fine until next year. Also, he gave him the Bordetella twice, which i didn't know that he doesn't really need it. He also gave the Rabies shot to Freddy when he was 3 months old.....Damn! I guess i really messed up with this vet. Spend this morning online looking for a new vet. Freddy is not neutered yet and i guess needs his 3rd round of DHPP and i hope to find a good vet that i can trust...but it is really hard! Just read online that twice the DHPP can be enough....well what to believe??? Need your advice..should Freddy get his DHPP a 3rd time? Last edited by Freddy_SW; 10-14-2010 at 11:22 AM. |
10-14-2010, 12:29 PM | #8 | |
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10-14-2010, 12:37 PM | #9 |
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| Thanks to the YT information We did much better with Ziva's shots- She had such an awful reaction to the last set of puppy shots (included Lepto and given all at the same time) We separated them this time and skipped the L and she made it thru fine and I will test rather than revaccinate next year! |
10-14-2010, 12:41 PM | #10 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Westmont, IL
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| I just called another vet and they told me the same thing. That since he was 12 weeks when i got him without any vaccines, they would have only given him 2 HDPP shots either. I'm still not sure about my original vet though because he gave Freddy the Rabies shot at 12 weeks ( which i guess is ok but not really recommended) and he gave him the HDPP & rabies shot as the same visit. Well, i am still undecided where to get Freddy neutered and microchipped... It is really hard to find a good vet that you can trust....just like any other doctor.... |
10-15-2010, 12:04 PM | #11 |
YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: West Palm Beach, Fl, USA
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| I totally agree. We are on our 3rd vet thus far. Personally, I see nothing wrong with shopping around. After all, we spend so much money at the vet ... better be happy.
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