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08-28-2010, 12:22 PM | #1 |
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| High Protein Food Good? Hi everyone. I recently got a little yorkie and started to research the best food i could give, and ofcourse Orijen poped out, but after a while i started to see some posts saying that high protein food in small breeds such yorkshires can do some harm , especially kidneys problems. I would like an opinion please. Thx |
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08-28-2010, 03:56 PM | #2 |
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| Protein is always gonna be a constant debate, and one that I even had to look into and research before making my decision. I actually just posted this on another thread so I'll just copy/paste: High protein causing problems is a myth. If the protein is coming from GOOD sources, (i.e. meat) then it's not a problem. If the high protein is coming from grains or vegetables mainly, then it could cause issues because the liver has to overwork to process those kind of proteins. High protein is only an issue if your dog already has liver problems, but even so, some people feed their liver comprised dogs raw food with no problems (I'm not advising this, just saying). Alot of puppy foods even have 30%+ protein (such as Royal Canin Mini 33). Dogs are carnivores and their bodies are designed to eat meat. Domestic dogs are taxonomically the same species, and physiologically and anatomically the same and actually share 99.8% of the same DNA as wolves. Size and appearance are in the less than .2% differences. Some dogs don't do well on high protein for one reason or the other but I really believe alot of peoples issues are over-feeding. With a higher protein, more calorie food, it's sooo easy to overfeed. If your dogs are not active, simply feed less. High protein is not bad for lazy dogs, carbs are. Jackson is 15-16lbs and eats 1/2 cup a day of Acana, plus some wet food and treats. Ultimately, though, I think it's what works best for you and your dog. I've done alot of research and have finally settled that this works best for Jackson! I will always recommend grain-free higher-ish protein content foods over grain filled low protein foods but that's just me, I'm no expert or qualified in any way. Through my research, I've determined this works best for us! Here is another great post from another YT user: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3163277-post8.html Acana Grasslands has 33% protein and 17% fat. I also feed Go! Endurance which has 34% protein and 16% fat. For reference, a 50lb dog should be fed 1.75 - 2 cups of Go Endurance which has 470 kcal/cup.
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08-28-2010, 08:17 PM | #3 |
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| It's important to calculate the dry matter in commercial kibble to get the true amount of protein. You can't go by what it says on the bag. Dry Matter Basis… The Only Reliable Way to Compare Dog Foods |
08-29-2010, 04:41 AM | #4 | |
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08-29-2010, 05:04 AM | #5 |
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| I feed all three of mine raw, which works out to be about 41-42% protein...Apple has been on raw for a year and gets a total of 2 1/2 oz. a day...Buzz has been on raw for about 9 months and gets 3 oz. a day, and Cha Cha has been on raw about 2 months and gets 2 oz. a day...They are all doing fantastic...As you can see, raw is high protein, and nutrient dense, and, subsequently, you feed much less...As Brit said, if the pup gets high protein, from grains, you're asking for trouble...Keep researching, and I think you'll find your answers... |
08-29-2010, 05:42 AM | #6 |
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| Britster, Ladymom, & Sweet Apple, have given you great advice, as usual. I have always been a supporter of high quality complete proteins found in meat. The only thing that I can add is to also warn you about the true meaning of "Crude Protein". Crude protein accounts for all the protein within the food, here comes the kick though, whether it is digestible by your pup or not. So after accounting for moisture, and calculating what the actual protein count is, you have to also realize that some of it your pup will not be able to absorb due to its indigestibility. Its always something.... Last edited by lil fu fu girl; 08-29-2010 at 05:44 AM. |
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08-29-2010, 08:18 AM | #8 |
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| Maximum protein I will consider is 24% mine are in the 22%-24% range and yes i do believe it is detremental to any dog unless it is a field/working/hunting dog during the time it is actively working. Once they are done their work which is seasonal, back to a lower protein diet. I do believe, over time, a steady high protein diet will cause irreversible problems which I have seen too many times. i also have seen for myself and believe a high protein diet will affect behaviour making them hyper or as a very old time breeder friend of mine coined the phrase, 'running on their toes' which describes it well. That is just my opinion, you can decide as you wish for yourself. |
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I recently switched my older boy from a 24% to a 32% protein kibble. He hasn't shown any signs of hyperactivity. | |
08-29-2010, 09:45 AM | #11 |
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| I'm curious too...mine certainly aren't showing any hyper activity and they've been eating this for a while but if there are issues that won't show up until later I would like to know now so I can change things. |
08-29-2010, 09:47 AM | #12 | |
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Start with one of the dry kibbles to make sure it will be ok and they are not sensitive to something in it. Then add one of the others. I like having them on a few different ones because dog food companies change their formulas too much and if they are just on one it can be a problem. This way they are not getting too much of anything that changes. The DVP Duck and potato for example became a real problem as they had trouble getting duck so upped the potato content. It caused no end of trouble for many dogs, bloody diahrrea, vomiting. Too much potato can do that. Don't know what they were thinking doing that. | |
08-29-2010, 09:54 AM | #13 | |
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Over years it is harder on the kidneys and liver. If you understand the function of liver and kidney it is not hard to understand what a high protein diet will do. High protein is not good for humans either over time. | |
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Also depends on the dog. My younger boy has a more sensitive digestive system and doesn't appear to tolerate higher protein (loose stools). I have kept him on Fromm's Chicken a la Veg, which is 24% protein. | |
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