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Old 01-08-2010, 10:14 AM   #1
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Confused Liver Shunts & Diet; Muffy is a picky eater

Muffy was diagnosed with a Liver Shunt a couple months ago. To treat it, we were to let her have a surgery to possibly fix it or use the Science Diet LD (liver disease) food. We chose to do the diet treatment because she shows no symptoms other than being a little small, but she is 4 lb. 5 oz. so she is not dangerously small. She is very active and happy.

The problem is she does not eat much at all! We keep her food down all day as advised by our vet since she does not eat much. At times she will go and eat a few pieces then run back and play. I just feel like she should be eating more. She almost never eats her daily allowance unless I hand feed her each piece which I have done several times because I was desperate for her to eat her food.

Do any of y'all have a problem similar to this with your yorkie? I could use some advice.

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The Royal Canin LS 14 for liver compromised dogs seems to be very palatable. You may want to give that a try. The L/D canned is also an option. Because of the ingredients in the dry L/D, it tends to be the least preferred out of these three foods.

Most of the time, shunts should be repaired if possible. Of course there are exceptions, but if a shunt was found and a vet said to leave it, I'd probably get a second opinion. If it's MVD, then it can't be repaired.

What supplements is she on?
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Hey thanks for writing me back!
I'm going to email this to my dad because I don't know what supplement she is on or if she has an MVD shunt. I'll be sure to let you know as soon as possible.
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Is this your dog or your Dad's???

I agree with Crystal, the The Royal Canin LS 14 is liked by lots of LS and MVD dogs.

She should be eating 5 to 6 small meals throughout the day and into the night. Some folks feed the last meal at 1 am if need be.
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It's the family dog; I am sixteen. We have a dachshund as well, so Muffy isn't the only dog in the family. Thank you for the information though, about the feeding 5 to 6 small meals!
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It's the family dog; I am sixteen. We have a dachshund as well, so Muffy isn't the only dog in the family. Thank you for the information though, about the feeding 5 to 6 small meals!
Oh ok.

I would really get the Royal Canin LS 14 (from your Vet).

And then, you need to figure out how many pieces of kibble she "should" be eating for the day. It may be something like 90 pieces. So you divide that amount by 6 = 15

So, for example, she may need to eat 15 pieces of kibble 6 times a day (like evry 3 or 4 hours).

That was just an example though, but you get the idea
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Oh ok.

I would really get the Royal Canin LS 14 (from your Vet).

And then, you need to figure out how many pieces of kibble she "should" be eating for the day. It may be something like 90 pieces. So you divide that amount by 6 = 15

So, for example, she may need to eat 15 pieces of kibble 6 times a day (like evry 3 or 4 hours).

That was just an example though, but you get the idea
Okay! Thanks a lot
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Oh I need to make a correction. She had been eating Hill's prescription diet l/d. Not science diet.
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Oh I need to make a correction. She had been eating Hill's prescription diet l/d. Not science diet.
Hills and Science Diet are the same.
She should be on SAMe (helps prevent liver cell death) and possibly milk thistle.
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The Royal Canin LS 14 for liver compromised dogs seems to be very palatable. You may want to give that a try. The L/D canned is also an option. Because of the ingredients in the dry L/D, it tends to be the least preferred out of these three foods.

Most of the time, shunts should be repaired if possible. Of course there are exceptions, but if a shunt was found and a vet said to leave it, I'd probably get a second opinion. If it's MVD, then it can't be repaired.

What supplements is she on?
i agree get it repaired how did they diagnose a shunt through scintigraphy? If you do not repair it then it can blow more shunts then you cannot repair it ever as they can only repair one shunt are you near university of tennessee dr tobias is the best at this

go on to yahoogroups.com and join the liver shunt mvd groups they will help you get her to eat as they are also dealing with the same issues.

If mvd and bile acids below 100 then low protein diet is needed 22% with no symptoms 18% with symptoms
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Oh I need to make a correction. She had been eating Hill's prescription diet l/d. Not science diet.
you mean hills L/D not I/D correct?
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Hills and Science Diet are the same.
She should be on SAMe (helps prevent liver cell death) and possibly milk thistle.
you can do denamarin which has both milk thistle and sam-e in it together but first is this MVD or liver shunt and how was it diagnosed as i have an mvd dog and do not supplement only feed low protein diet
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I also have an MVD dog. We feed Hills L/D and a home cooked diet specially formulated for her. Our dog also has severe allergies and Inflammatory bowel disease so the Royal Canin is out.

Before we found out our dog had MVD, she would not eat very much or very often. She would eat one or two kibble at a time and then stop. Like your dog, she was playful and happy. Once she was on a diet for MVD dogs, she ate more and her overall condition improved as did her liver functioning. We now have the opposite problem - she is always starving and barking at us for more food. She's slightly overweight so we stick with low calorie treats primarily made with oat flour since she has food intolerances to pretty much everything else.

Good luck with your yorkie. I hope you will keep us posted.
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Yes Hill's L/D. I just didn't capitalize the "L."

The problem with having the surgery to correct her shunt is that is would cost $2,000 which my family does not have, as we all know the economy is awful these days. So we are kind of stuck.
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As far as I know, she does not have MVD. Our veterinarian only used the term Liver Shunt. We do not know if it is internal (inside her liver) or external (outside the liver).

What is this about supplements? Should we be giving her a supplement of some kind?

The only thing we are doing for her treatment is feeding her a low protein diet.
This is so stressful!
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