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09-01-2009, 05:56 AM | #1 |
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| Bordettella Distemper/Parvo Last week I took my 8 yr old and the 1/12 yr old in to the vet for the yearly thing. They both got the 3 yr Rabies and the county tag, fecal exam etc. They also each got a yearly Distemper/Parvo and Bordettella, to the tune of $220 each. The past few days, I have been reading the articles about the yearly vaccines and how most small breeds that have had the yearly boosters probably don't need them every year, or at all after the first booster. So here's my problem, I have an appointment to take my 6 yr old in next week for her yearly, should I say no to the yearly boosters? My dogs are never boarded, taken to a groomer (I groom them myself) or around other dogs other than themselves. They do not drink water or smell /eat other dog'd poo when on walks either. I want them all to be healthy & protected but, is all this nessecary, or is it the vet's office trying to make money? I would like to hear what everyone else thinks and does.
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09-01-2009, 06:04 AM | #2 |
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| That is really up to you and your vet. I would not give DHP yearly. You can do titers (not my favorite) or go with the AAHA protocol of every three years or stop giving them altogether after the one year booster. There are so many opinions on this that everyone just needs to find their place in it. However, I can tell you that giving them yearly is unnecessary and probably not a good idea. Bordatella is a different type of vaccine. If your pups need it for something, they will have to get it every 6-12 months. Rabies you have to go with the law in your area. Rabies should never be given on the same day as any other vaccine. It is very potent and if there is a reaction, you won't know what shot it was from. It is really also better to do DHP separately.
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09-01-2009, 06:23 AM | #3 |
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| Vaccs Hi I am a CVT and the reason your vet gives the shots and the reminder card, is that they will loose their shirts if they follow the new Vacc protocal. You can find what the 27 teaching Vet schools are reccomending by searching Dr Jean Dodds on the net. Our hospital has gone to 3 years, BUT that is still too much. After the puppy series they get a booster 1 yr latter and they are set! If you give more than that you are wrecking their immune system. they are finding you actually lower their titer. They have also found cancer related to vaccs. I just lost a champion a year ago to Fribo Sarcoma ( Vacc related in cats) Most vets have problems getting people in for the yearly exam ( NEEDED). It will hit vets where it hurts, in the pocket. Think about what they charge per shot and what you can buy it for ( About $4). Years ago they stopped giving Vaccs to any dog over the age of 7. The only time you will run into a problem is if you decide to board you dogs. You can do a titer test which THEY have to take,' Hope i have been some help Sparkling Blu Yorkies |
09-01-2009, 06:35 AM | #4 | |
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| very enlighting Quote:
Does the fact that I have two new puppies that are going through their puppy vaccines change the need for yearly vaccines in the older dogs?
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09-01-2009, 06:41 AM | #5 |
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| Vaccs You don't have to change anything with your other dogs. If you can't find the protocal on the net just let me know and I can email it to you. I'm glad you are asking these questions, you're a good mom After I posted the first reply I realized that my Beautiful Casper has been gone almost 2yrs. Time sure flies, I feel like it was yesterday. It is a terrible cancer that shows up over night and doesn't respond to chemo, only to radition and I just couldn't bring myself to do it. It was too late anyway. Sparkling Blu Yorkies |
09-01-2009, 06:48 AM | #6 |
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| I'm sorry you lost your baby, how horrible. Yes, I have read the articles, I wish I had read them before I took my other two in. I appreciate your knowledge. I want to take care of my babies like they should be but, at the the same time, I don't want to be paying for these vaccines and exposing the dogs to them if it's not needed.
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09-01-2009, 06:52 AM | #7 | |
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You cannot make an immune animal "more immune." Re-vaccinating an already-immune animal has little or no benefit; the previous immunity will act like maternal antibody and inactivate the vaccine, and immunity is not "boosted" at all. So you have all the risks of the vaccination, and no benefit. All it is doing is weaken your pets immune system and exposes them to all the contaminants ( as in aluminum, mercury, MSG, etc. etc.) in the vaccine and draining your bank account. These are quotes from here ...Revaccination "The incidence of canine distemper, canine parvovirus, canine adenovirus, and feline panleukopenia among vaccinated adults (>1 year of age) is virtually zero. "A practice that was started many years ago and that lacks scientific validity or verification is annual revaccinations. Almost without exception there is no immunologic requirement for annual revaccination. Immunity to viruses persists for years or for the life of the animal." (Kirk's Current Veterinary Therapy XI, "Canine and Feline Vaccines," Phipps, Schultz.) . "Dogs' & cats' immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus (MLV) vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces an immunity which is good for the life of the pet (i.e. canine distemper, parvo, feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of second vaccine, and there is little or no effect. The titer (level of immunity) is not 'boosted' nor are more memory cells induced. -Schultz, R.D. - Current & Future Canine & Feline Vaccination Programs. Vet Med 3: No. 3, 233-254, 1998." (Summary from Bob Rogers DVM, Critter Fixer Pet Hospital). This is also has good info.... Canine Vaccines and Vaccination | Dog Vaccination Schedule Vaccinating Dogs: What Your Vet Hasn't Told You This is a good schedule to use..... http://www.weim.net/emberweims/Vaccine.html So in answer to your question if you need to take in your your 6 year old for a booster, my vote would be an astounding NO......
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09-01-2009, 06:54 AM | #8 |
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| Vaccs You might want to print the new protocal out and take it to your vet. I send it home in every puppy pack. If your vet won't respect it maybe you should look for another. I never board either my dogs have a Nanny Good luck Sparkling Blu Yorkies |
09-01-2009, 06:55 AM | #9 |
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| I am going to ask for titers and Im not getting the bordatella anymore. Mine do get groomed but my groomer doesnt ask for proof of it. Mine arent getting the lepto anymore either. Thats the one I really disagree with
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09-01-2009, 07:24 AM | #10 |
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| Dont know if this will help you or not, but I go to a holistic vet and she told me that after the first rounds of shots (from baby to like 4-6 months) - distemper and rabies(the one year shot) they are done. She told me that he shouldnt need any more shots for the rest of his life unless he has a problem. But she recommended that I get a titer done just to make sure that he is still covered. Also she said in a year he will need to get the rabies 3 year shot and that was about it. But I guess that its really up to you and your personal preferences too. i personally dont feel that all those chemicals are good for their little bodies, so thats why I am doing it like this.
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09-01-2009, 07:29 AM | #11 | |
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09-01-2009, 07:51 AM | #12 |
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| Mine NEVER get the Bordettella. Rabies is every 3 years and this is required by State Law. Parvo and Distemper I titer now. Roxy and TJ are 4.5 yrs. They had the puppy shots and then the year booster the following year. Then the Vet went to 2 or 3 yr shots, I instead decided to Titer for Parvo and Distemper (instead of the vaccine). Roxy and TJ both were still covered, so I will titer again in 3 years. If they are low, then I may consider the vaccine again. Hope that helps, along with all the wonder advice given above |
09-01-2009, 07:55 AM | #13 | |
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P.S. NYS will except titers for the other vaccines, HOWEVER currently they will NOT except the Rabies Titer (hopefully they chnage that in the future) Last edited by TLC; 09-01-2009 at 07:56 AM. | |
09-01-2009, 08:54 AM | #14 |
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| Thank you everyone Thank you everyone for all your responses to my topic, I have learned a great deal. I will be zippering my wallet shut, as Rita was given a complete physical, heart worm test, and a 3 yr Rabies when I got her in May (rehomed to me). According to her previous records she had been given the distemper/parvo and bordetella booster in Sept of 08. So, I guess she's set until 2012 when she will need a new Rabies, and possibly titer to check the other, right? Boy, won't they be surprised when I call to cancel the appointment for next week. Thanks again, you guys are the greatest!
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09-01-2009, 10:06 AM | #15 |
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| Vaccs You should be able to find it on the web, search for Dr jean Dobbs. If you can't find it just let me know and I will email it to you. Also you may find in under vert. teaching schools. This has become the protacol for all the 27 North American teaching universities too Sparkling Blu Yorkies |
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