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Old 07-17-2009, 05:46 AM   #1
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Animal Smiley 049 Brown Rice vs White for Diareaha

I have read that Brown Rice is better to use when your pup get's
diareaha because of the vitimins and nutrients in it, however,
a girlfriend called me last night to tell me her vet said not to
use brown rice for this problem because it has too much fiber in it.
Only white rice because of the starch content, is better for
diareaha than brown.
First time I have heard this and it does makes sence.
Just passing on something new I learned.
Of course every vet has his or her own thoughts on everything
but if brown has more fiber than it's not going to help much
in aiding diareaha I would think.
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The time Max had upset stomach I used white rice and worked,I'll like to read the comments on this, we always learn something new here LOL
Thank you Carol for the info.Is Buddy's stomach fine now?
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I have always used white also but recently when he was sick I read
that brown has more vitamins etc in it. So I bought
brown. Made sence, however, I
never thought about the fiber content in brown and we all know
you take fiber to go not vise versa. Just wanted to pass this
along and get other's thoughts on the subject.

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I've read that brown rice is better than white for a regular meal (more nutrients), but for loose stools, white rice is better.
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Not sure what one is better for it but my guess would also be white.
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When a dog is sick, I'd give white rice for sure. Dogs don't have the easiest time, even when healthy, digesting complex carbs - so more simple carbs will be easier on their entire digestive system when sick.

The method in which dogs digest carbs is also why you see "potatoes", for example, in lots of premium foods instead more complex-chain carbs.

Nothing wrong w/ brown rice, but if a dog can't digest it well - the potential benefit of it may not even be realized...and in fact might go undigested.
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I have read that Brown Rice is better to use when your pup get's
diareaha because of the vitimins and nutrients in it, however,
a girlfriend called me last night to tell me her vet said not to
use brown rice for this problem because it has too much fiber in it.
Only white rice because of the starch content, is better for
diareaha than brown.
First time I have heard this and it does makes sence.
Just passing on something new I learned.
Of course every vet has his or her own thoughts on everything
but if brown has more fiber than it's not going to help much
in aiding diareaha I would think.
yep this is true learned sadly first hand - my dd was so sick from metacam and only one dose so i did chick and brown rice and her poop was coming out in volume it was wild as she never pooped that much before. Jean dodds said because brown rice for dogs has to be cooked 20 min longer than humans as they have a faster digestive tract. Well she was all jacked up and ended up with colitis then as too much fiber can lead to colitis so ALWAYS use white rice or you can make the diarhea worse and also too much pumpkin can cause diarhea too so just a little pumpkin mixed with dds plus probiotics 15 min before food and do white rice with chicken
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When a dog is sick, I'd give white rice for sure. Dogs don't have the easiest time, even when healthy, digesting complex carbs - so more simple carbs will be easier on their entire digestive system when sick.

The method in which dogs digest carbs is also why you see "potatoes", for example, in lots of premium foods instead more complex-chain carbs.

Nothing wrong w/ brown rice, but if a dog can't digest it well - the potential benefit of it may not even be realized...and in fact might go undigested.
white potatoes inflame the intestines so dogs with ibd should not eat white potato based diets. my ibd dog cannot tolerate wite potato and even my maltese who is totally healthy throws up white potato. I know this as i use to pill my dd with steamed white potato so would give a piece to my other two and both would throw it up right after. My dd throws up after sweet potato and now since metacam my dd throws up white potato so have to pill her with yams now. Well my ibd dex was so sick thursday night from a tiny yam piece so he will get nothing as thought he was going into pancreatitis again and freaked me out. he vomitted like 15 times that night and i was a nervous wreck but due to know prayer position, tossing and turning i knew it was not pancreatitis yet so withheld food and water and slowly gave water so he did not dehydrate but also did not want him gulping water as he was throwing up the water. I never knew yams were that hard to digest but an hour after he had that tiny piece the vomitting began and did not stop until after 5 am next morning and started at 10 pm the night before
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white potatoes inflame the intestines so dogs with ibd should not eat white potato based diets. my ibd dog cannot tolerate wite potato and even my maltese who is totally healthy throws up white potato.
Interesting. I wonder if it's more of an allergy to something for your baby? The reason I say that is...I don't know if you recall what Marcel went through after 2 bouts of giardia when he was 4-5mths old. Anyway, in pups (not really adults) - giardia can begin to digest the intestinal tissue and they end up w/ horrible issues following the resolution of the giardia. Basically, they're Dx w/ ibd/ibs, which Marcel was. For 4-5 mths after, my vet could do nothing to fix his ibd/ibs - he had bloody, mucousy, grainy, jelly, mushy poos the whole time. Finally, I sought the help of a canine nutritionist (Susan Davis) and she immed. put him on a white fish, potato, green bean diet - and *boom* - 1.5 days later he had his first firm poo in 4 mths ! Wylie was also on this diet during this time.

And Susan Davis recommends potatoes for most of her ibd dogs...so I wonder how the potatoes inflame the intestine? Did anyone ever tell you in more detail bc I'd be curious to know.
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Interesting. I wonder if it's more of an allergy to something for your baby? The reason I say that is...I don't know if you recall what Marcel went through after 2 bouts of giardia when he was 4-5mths old. Anyway, in pups (not really adults) - giardia can begin to digest the intestinal tissue and they end up w/ horrible issues following the resolution of the giardia. Basically, they're Dx w/ ibd/ibs, which Marcel was. For 4-5 mths after, my vet could do nothing to fix his ibd/ibs - he had bloody, mucousy, grainy, jelly, mushy poos the whole time. Finally, I sought the help of a canine nutritionist (Susan Davis) and she immed. put him on a white fish, potato, green bean diet - and *boom* - 1.5 days later he had his first firm poo in 4 mths ! Wylie was also on this diet during this time.

And Susan Davis recommends potatoes for most of her ibd dogs...so I wonder how the potatoes inflame the intestine? Did anyone ever tell you in more detail bc I'd be curious to know.
yes internal medicine specialist, vet and on all nutritionist groups i have read this as well. My vet's dog cannot tolerate potato is how he knew. As soon as dex was off white potato diets he stopped vomitting. He was on ivd white fish and potato when he got pancreatitis so we analyzed it to death for a year and we now know he has ibd in small intestines as he only vomits no diarhea so small intestine gets inflamed and boom vomitting begins with undigested food. Ibd is a food intolerance not allergic reaction. The body cannot tolerate it and then they start vomitting it up and if it gets bad enough in small intestine it triggers pancreatitis since pancreas is right next to small intestines. After pancreatitis he did fine for 3 months on ultra zd but itched like a mad man so it was the food as he never itched before so we put him on hills dd salmon and potato and bam in 30 days back in hospital with continuous vomitting. He came home and i still did not know but we put him on purina ha hydrolized soy diet and no vomitting since for 3 years until feb this year from car sickness and two nights ago from yam I consult a nutritionist that believes no carbs for dogs just protein and veggies for this reason as alot of dogs cannot tolerate potatos. Jean dodds who we see has it in her diet but sweet potatoes are easier to digest - however my dd cannot eat sweet potato -go figure so in my 3 i have seen the white potato reaction and it happens immediately after eating it- i use organic steamed potato too - also white potato is very high in sugar conversion in body where as sweet potato is not so people with diabetes can eat sweet potato but not white potato and pancreas controls the insulin in the body so may be connected there

now what you are describing with the yellowy poop is colitis and colitis is tied to large intestines as red blood is fresh in poop and that is tied to too much fiber in diet so white potato may be ok in that situation but definitely not ok with a dog that vomits with ibd as white potato will inflame that small intestine too much and not let the food get to large intestines thus the vomitting. This is why when a dog gets pancreatitis and it has only vomitted and not diarhea i feel it is tied to ibd in small intestines like my dex and also izzy who is on this group as well.

It is all so complicated and i have analyzed this to death since my dex was sick in 7/06 and why i started educating myself alot about all this stuff as it seems most vets are not that up on nutrition. I would love to home cook some day as hate vet foods but i have to say dex has done great on purina ha and i will not do any change with him ever as this has worked amazingly and after 10k and a year of hospitalization over and over i am not willing to risk anything with this guy because any time he gets the slightest change to diet he goes nuts and when he starts vomitting he does not stop
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yes internal medicine specialist, vet and on all nutritionist groups i have read this as well. My vet's dog cannot tolerate potato is how he knew. As soon as dex was off white potato diets he stopped vomitting. He was on ivd white fish and potato when he got pancreatitis so we analyzed it to death for a year and we now know he has ibd in small intestines as he only vomits no diarhea so small intestine gets inflamed and boom vomitting begins with undigested food. Ibd is a food intolerance not allergic reaction. The body cannot tolerate it and then they start vomitting it up and if it gets bad enough in small intestine. Jean dodds who we see has it in her diet but sweet potatoes are easier to digest - however my dd cannot eat sweet potato -go figure so in my 3 i have seen the white potato reaction and it happens immediately after eating it- i use organic steamed potato too - also white potato is very high in sugar conversion in body where as sweet potato is not so people with diabetes can eat sweet potato but not white potato and pancreas controls the insulin in the body so may be connected there

now what you are describing with the yellowy poop is colitis and colitis is tied to large intestines as red blood is fresh in poop and that is tied to too much fiber in diet so white potato may be ok in that situation but definitely not ok with a dog that vomits with ibd as white potato will inflame that small intestine too much and not let the food get to large intestines thus the vomitting. This is why when a dog gets pancreatitis and it has only vomitted and not diarhea i feel it is tied to ibd in small intestines like my dex and also izzy who is on this group as well.
No, Marcel didn't have any yellowy poop at all, it was more like what I described above.

This is all interesting bc so many of the specialists I've known recommend potatoes and I've not heard of issues. I think about 20 folks here use Susan Davis, and almost all of those dogs are on potatoes (some on sweet potatoes). I actually prefer white potato over white rice for sick dogs too, they seem to snap right back and like the potato better than the rice (taste, I mean).

I still don't understand how potato, or a "carb/glucose" (when it comes down to it) would inflame the intestine. I could maybe understand an interaction during pancreatitis if the pancreas was spilling amylase, but otherwise the physiology doesn't make sense to me yet. I'll have to look into this more.
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No, Marcel didn't have any yellowy poop at all, it was more like what I described above.

This is all interesting bc so many of the specialists I've known recommend potatoes and I've not heard of issues. I think about 20 folks here use Susan Davis, and almost all of those dogs are on potatoes (some on sweet potatoes). I actually prefer white potato over white rice for sick dogs too, they seem to snap right back and like the potato better than the rice (taste, I mean).

I still don't understand how potato, or a "carb/glucose" (when it comes down to it) would inflame the intestine. I could maybe understand an interaction during pancreatitis if the pancreas was spilling amylase, but otherwise the physiology doesn't make sense to me yet. I'll have to look into this more.
LOL check it out i saw it in my 3 dogs so i know it is true and had read about it alot. I am on an ibd dog group as well as several nutrition groups on yahoogroups. It has come up alot. Sweet potato is better. I know several of the girls that consult susan davis and had considered in past and have heard good things but a couple things did not sit well with me and a few of them their dogs have relapsed quite a few times into pancreatitis under her care so it concerned me - not due to potato but switching a dog that was doing good to a diff food - if it is not broke do not fix it or you could borrow more trouble. Another dog saying salmon oil was ok when the dog had a history of pancreatitis - NO FATTY ACIDS FOR PANCREATITIS DOGS so that was another red flag. I also am not that impressed with ucdavis diets on Welcome to the Balance IT® Web Site as a client of mine paid $150 for a diet and they wanted her dog on 5 tums a day for calcium carbonate so she was furious and bought bonemeal and has home cooked for 3 years as she tweaked their diet to what she was comfortable with and the dog is perfectly normal but was very sick with ibd prior to that and cost her thousands of dollars. All of this has made me very nervous of home cooking and figure if it is not broke i am not fixing it and sticking to what works as i think many jump around all over the place and then borrow more trouble and after dealing with health issues in my yorkies for years just not willing to take any chances anymore unless absolutely necessary and two days ago was a reminder when dex got so sick on a teeny piece of yam and I almost had to take him in for sub qs or iv fluids. I screwed up thinking he has been better now for 3 years well guess what he is not and this purina ha has been a life saver. The body is so complicated
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also on another group a dog was really sick and waited forever for ucdavis to figure out a diet then the dog would not even eat the diet when she got it and the whole time i am telling the owner to consult jean dodds or susan davis at the time yet she trusted only what others were saying and went only with ucdavis. Sadly the dog died and i knew it would happen unless they consulted with jean as jean has been doing this for 42 years and she knows how to analyze the blood to get the dog on the right track as that is her expertise. My thing is when my dog is sick i will look at all angles take notes and then make the best choice but i will never discount any information given and seek all opinions as the one thing you do not look into can be the very thing that saves your dogs life - which to this day i firmly thing this dog should have died
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I use white rice if molly has a dodgy tum, but brown rice if im cooking for her when she is ok. I always use sweet potatoes for her rather than white ones.
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also dogs with ibd should never have nsaids as that can wreak havoc on their intestines and cause a nightmare. And they are diagnosing ibd through blood work now my ims said rather than just endoscopy as dogs who have high spec cpli but not in pancreatitis mode have ibd as well as dogs with higher amylase lipase are prone to ibd - just thought i would throw that out since we were discussing ibd
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