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Hamoth · 09-19-2005, 06:23 PM

I have read and been told over and over again that Yorkies can't wear collars because of Collapsing Trachea problems. However, is this likely to be a problem for a dog with NO history of CT symptoms? Does a collar in any way bring this on?

I ask because a person in another forum posed this question. I answered that I never would collar mine, but when I tried to find supporting material, it was all pretty vague. Has there ever been any hard medical science done to show a link or causal relationship between collars and Collapsing Trach?

Most of the stories I have heard go like this "I found out the hard way...don't use collars." and "Hey, my vet told me that collars cause this...". That's cool and all, but is there a source that I can point other people to that has some authority behind it?

Is there a book about Yorkies where collars are clearly prohibited?

SilverStarShado · 09-19-2005, 06:48 PM

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Health care

Administering eye or ear medication to a Toy or small dog can become an issue if the dog perceives a large (to the dog) hand moving rapidly toward her as something intimidating.
Small dogs are predisposed to a collapsing trachea. If the dog doesn’t already have this condition, it can be triggered by pressure applied to that area, which can make a collar a potential health risk. You can do considerable damage by using the wrong tools. We recommend harnesses for most small dogs. Italian Greyhounds, because of their unique body structure, need either a harness made specifically for the dog, or a Martingale collar. The needle-nose muzzle of an Italian Greyhound can easily slip through any other kind of collar, and the average harness will not fit them properly.

http://www.iaabc.org/articles/rehoming_small_dogs.htm
I found this thru google...I am sure that there are other sources too

yorkieusa · 09-19-2005, 07:24 PM

TRACHEA COLLAPSE

There can be a weakness in the trachea and if it collapses the dog cannot breathe. Emergency surgery and inserting plastic devices or coils can be done in some cases to keep the dog alive. This can be caused by severe hacking from a cold or it can be a congenital thing.
Symptoms -- A loud honking, dry cough. Gasping, unable to breath.

http://www.shooterdog.com/alexfaq3.htm#COUGH

Hamoth · 09-19-2005, 08:42 PM

Well yes, I know what tracheal collapse IS, and I'm one who agrees that collars would seem to lead to it...however I can't find a clear medical source stating (the above examples define it, and one gives a rather mild suggestion and an opinion). I'm looking for something to use to convince others, this would require something like a vet saying "Collar training is the most frequent cause of collapsed tracheas" or even a vet saying "Collars are not safe for Yorkies." I want to convince hard-headed skeptics who think this is hooey.

But I've only found a few pieces of anonymous advice inserted more as opinion than fact in all my readings...Look at how much the author here is NOT commiting to their stand:

can make a collar a potential health risk. You can do considerable damage by using the wrong tools. We recommend harnesses for most small dogs.

Lots of mushy wiggle room in that statement. They say that a callar CAN be a health risk, not that it is. That you can do POTENTIAL damage using "wrong tools". And that they RECOMEND a harness only for MOST small dogs. Finally, who are these people? Just one set of trainers...

Now this is enough for me to play it safe...But what about somone who doesn't buy this?

Hamoth · 09-19-2005, 08:51 PM

Forgot to say THANKS! I AM using the info from the trainer's website since they do say unequivicably "pressure to the neck can cause collapsing trachea in small dogs" which is the most strait forward I've read yet.

SilverStarShado · 09-19-2005, 08:54 PM

When human's go to the doctor, and they RECOMMEND something or RECOMMEND not to do something, usually this advice is followed

So if my vet or another vet would recommend something that is so known about, most people want to follow that advice to prevent something from happening to our precious babies. I dont think any of us here are that "hard headed" about our babys health.

So just tell those at the other forum not to be so hard headed and love their lil' furbabies enough to be safe and not use them.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 09-19-2005, 09:35 PM

This is the same sort of definitive info I was trying to find to support the assertion and widely held belief that it is harmful and risky to breed a yorkie female under 5 lbs. I know it is the popular belief that it should not be done but I couldn't find any authority for it.

Hamoth · 09-19-2005, 09:42 PM

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When human's go to the doctor, and they RECOMMEND something or RECOMMEND not to do something, usually this advice is followed

Yeah, I know...But where can I find a source to show people, where a doctor makes this recomendation?

09-19-2005, 06:23 PM	#1
Hamoth YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 354	CT And Collars I have read and been told over and over again that Yorkies can't wear collars because of Collapsing Trachea problems. However, is this likely to be a problem for a dog with NO history of CT symptoms? Does a collar in any way bring this on? I ask because a person in another forum posed this question. I answered that I never would collar mine, but when I tried to find supporting material, it was all pretty vague. Has there ever been any hard medical science done to show a link or causal relationship between collars and Collapsing Trach? Most of the stories I have heard go like this "I found out the hard way...don't use collars." and "Hey, my vet told me that collars cause this...". That's cool and all, but is there a source that I can point other people to that has some authority behind it? Is there a book about Yorkies where collars are clearly prohibited?

09-19-2005, 07:24 PM	#3
yorkieusa Crazy about Kacee! Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 8,832	TRACHEA COLLAPSE There can be a weakness in the trachea and if it collapses the dog cannot breathe. Emergency surgery and inserting plastic devices or coils can be done in some cases to keep the dog alive. This can be caused by severe hacking from a cold or it can be a congenital thing. Symptoms -- A loud honking, dry cough. Gasping, unable to breath. http://www.shooterdog.com/alexfaq3.htm#COUGH __________________ Karen Kacee Muffin 1991-2005 Rest in Peace My Little Angel

09-19-2005, 08:54 PM	#6
SilverStarShado I Love My FurBaby! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,195	sp When human's go to the doctor, and they RECOMMEND something or RECOMMEND not to do something, usually this advice is followed So if my vet or another vet would recommend something that is so known about, most people want to follow that advice to prevent something from happening to our precious babies. I dont think any of us here are that "hard headed" about our babys health. So just tell those at the other forum not to be so hard headed and love their lil' furbabies enough to be safe and not use them. __________________ Becky & Sir Yoda See ME & My PupPals HERE My YT Photo Gallery HERE *Live, Love, Be Happy* Last edited by SilverStarShado; 09-19-2005 at 08:59 PM.

09-19-2005, 08:42 PM	#4
Hamoth YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 354	Well yes, I know what tracheal collapse IS, and I'm one who agrees that collars would seem to lead to it...however I can't find a clear medical source stating (the above examples define it, and one gives a rather mild suggestion and an opinion). I'm looking for something to use to convince others, this would require something like a vet saying "Collar training is the most frequent cause of collapsed tracheas" or even a vet saying "Collars are not safe for Yorkies." I want to convince hard-headed skeptics who think this is hooey. But I've only found a few pieces of anonymous advice inserted more as opinion than fact in all my readings...Look at how much the author here is NOT commiting to their stand: can make a collar a potential health risk. You can do considerable damage by using the wrong tools. We recommend harnesses for most small dogs. Lots of mushy wiggle room in that statement. They say that a callar CAN be a health risk, not that it is. That you can do POTENTIAL damage using "wrong tools". And that they RECOMEND a harness only for MOST small dogs. Finally, who are these people? Just one set of trainers... Now this is enough for me to play it safe...But what about somone who doesn't buy this?

09-19-2005, 08:51 PM	#5
Hamoth YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 354	Forgot to say THANKS! I AM using the info from the trainer's website since they do say unequivicably "pressure to the neck can cause collapsing trachea in small dogs" which is the most strait forward I've read yet.

09-19-2005, 09:35 PM	#7
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	This is the same sort of definitive info I was trying to find to support the assertion and widely held belief that it is harmful and risky to breed a yorkie female under 5 lbs. I know it is the popular belief that it should not be done but I couldn't find any authority for it.