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06-24-2009, 06:24 AM | #1 |
My furkids Donating Member | Just an FYI on those who feed "Raw" diets My Mom is having problems with getting her little girl to eat...she has tried just about EVERY high quality food out there...She spoke to her vet about this and had inquired about the raw diet...Her vet does not agree with feeding raw...they just had a small dog die from pancreatitis because of eating raw. I was concerned when feeding my girls, wellness 95% chicken (canned) that they may be getting too much protein and was concerned about pancreatitis. I spoke to my vet about this...He told me he would only be concerned if I were feeding raw. I know there are several on here that feed raw...just thought I would let you know what our vets told us.
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06-24-2009, 06:31 AM | #2 |
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| Yup, there are so many vets that disagree with it and I agree with them. It's another one of those to each their own things but I wouldn't be at all comfortable with it.
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06-24-2009, 08:45 AM | #3 | |
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06-24-2009, 08:59 AM | #4 |
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| The one thing that always bothered me about raw was cross-contamination. Can't imagine giving my dog raw chicken, him eating it on the floor, and then cleaning every surface with bleach. And what about their beards/faces? Not to mention the uncooked bacteria that they might be ingesting. I agree with you all and my vet concurs as well.
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06-24-2009, 09:28 AM | #5 |
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| Oh, about the pancreatitis thing, Ellie got it while she was eating homecooked and it may have been triggered by beef. I'm not sure if/why pancreatitis is a bigger issue in raw fed dogs but I have not heard that before.
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06-24-2009, 10:00 AM | #6 | |
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--------------------- Even though dogs have been domesticated, they haven't really evolved. A dog's DNA differs from the gray wolf by .2%. I believe in feeding raw and feel it is species appropriate. I also believe that dogs can thrive on a balanced homecooked diet and a quality kibble. At the end of the day, you have to choose what works best for your comfort level and what you think is best for your dogs.
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06-24-2009, 11:46 PM | #7 |
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| Hello everyone I want to state my opinion. In this is just that my opinion because I know to each his own like many here have posted. But I feel that Raw diet gets a bad wrap from vets for no reason. "She spoke to her vet about this and had inquired about the raw diet...Her vet does not agree with feeding raw...they just had a small dog die from pancreatitis because of eating raw" Pancreatis can be caused by many things but the easiest to blame will be raw. There could have ben an underlying condition as well.. I was actually discussing this topic with somone close to me this week and it got me thinking. We as human beings have evolved and become more domesticated you might say but our nutritional needs have not change from when we were less evolved and undomesticated. We still needs vitamins and minerals that we get from fruit and vegatables which is same same needs the first humans on this earth had.. The same thing goes for dogs. Just because we have decided to domesticate them for thousand of years their nutritional needs have not change as when they were not domesticated. They are still carnivours and needs 80% meat, 10% bone and 5% heart in their diet to thrive. "I was concerned when feeding my girls, wellness 95% chicken (canned)" On the prey model diet a variety is the key. I feed chicken, beef, lamb along with bones and organs, but organs very small amount only 2 times a week. others do pork I do not. That is why I find it hard to belive pancreatic was just because of the raw. I have a 17 week old yorkie and have fed him raw sice he was 10 weeks. I started the NV and I have switch to the prey model. There are many benefits to the raw diet. They use their teeth and jaws the way they supposed to to eat their food, dogs do not eat the way humans are design to eat. Their mouth are used different.. as a result they have cleaner teeth and no teeth problems whatsoever. His poop is very tiny because unlike process foods he takes almost all the nutrienst and has very little to waste. His poops do not smell. They have more energy and thrive. He lovessss his food,he jumps up and down for it and goes a little dance lol. I think vets are not bad meaning on this but they are not well trained in dog nutrition that is why many times they recommed the science diet. They are not bad or bad meaning vets but not very well trained in nutrition. "The one thing that always bothered me about raw was cross-contamination." I have a special place for him to eat. I purchase a metal crate just for that. not to sleep but just to eat. once he is done I take it ooutside and clean it with bleach. I wipe his paws and feet. When he gets biggger and has a longer coat. I can designate just an area for him to eat and then clean it off with clorox is not that hard at least for me. ""Not to mention the uncooked bacteria that they might be ingesting" Their systems are made to process bacteri as well. The dogs digestion starts in the stomach no the mouth like humans. Again my commnets are my opinion are not meant to preach or to prove wrong to anyone here. But I wanted to speak because raw food do get a bad wrap from vets and without reason. Ansd many msiconceptions exist about it. Again to each his own on this subject. Last edited by mily; 06-24-2009 at 11:50 PM. |
06-25-2009, 12:03 AM | #8 |
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| I know raw liver is supposed to be a good protein source for dogs, but its can be so harmful. The liver is the cleansing organ...and can contain all sorts of nasty things. A small amount of liver goes a long way in a dog diet. So please be careful when feeding this to your baby. Pancreatitis, kidney disease, and other diseases claimed to be linked to raw feeding are in the same boat as bacterial septicemia. What generally happens is that a) there are underlying factors, b) there is an underlying disease, and c) the raw diet brings these to light. Bacterial septicemia/cross contamination is more likely in puppies and seniors dogs because they're immune system isn't as healthy. Overall, I agree with Mily and usually their systems are well equipped to handled these sorts of things. As far as protein in a dog's diet... its 27% for puppies and 17% for adults? I guess it depends on digestibility too.
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06-25-2009, 08:38 AM | #9 |
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| Hi Leigh 22 You know one thing I have found very interesting is that when I was searching for diets and this an that before getting my puppy. I thought I was going to be totally grossed out seeing him eat raw but I will give it a try . But the first time ever I saw him eat raw it was the most wonderfull natural experience ever while having a pet that I have had. I remember seeing him and not being grossed out at all but I love to watch him eat his food every day now. |
06-25-2009, 08:46 AM | #10 | |
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06-25-2009, 09:50 AM | #11 |
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| I wasn't going to post anything, but I keep thinking about this and am alarmed by the statement your vet made. There is no justiication to back this claim about raw being the cause of pancreatitis. In fact, many times pancreatitis is present because of an underlying health issue that was never identified. This sounds like a scare tactic to me. I also find it very interesting that vets who have taken the time to really become educated on nutrition are not opposed to raw diets and most of them recommend home cooking above and beyond any commercial canned or kibble dog food.
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06-25-2009, 10:22 AM | #12 |
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| I agree with many of you, I also will not feed raw. But to each his own, I think it is all a matter of what each of us is comfortable with and as long as your dog is doing well with your feeding method and you are comfortable with it then you should stick to it.
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06-25-2009, 10:54 AM | #13 |
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| I just want to add that people tend to forget that dogs are animals and humanize dogs too much. If it was a snake, for example, you would feed it mice/rats/rabbits. If it was a lizzard or frog, you would feed it crickets. So why do we process food for our dogs instead of feeding them what they are natually supposed to eat? Feeding raw is very good for dogs. The bones are great for their teeth and the marrow inside is VERY good for them. Also the cartilage is very good for their joints and helps to prevent arthritis. It is great for their coats and (in my own personal experience) has diminished body and mouth oders. It is also good for dogs with allergies. My dog had awful allergies and chewed off her fur on her paws. Once we switched to raw, she hasn't had any allergic episodes and her fur has grown back. I love feeding my older dog raw and can't wait to start feeding my puppy raw as well (she is still on the breeders food and will need to be transitioner to raw food). Oh one more thing! The vets are trained in nutrition by dog food companies! That is why they are always selling science diet and whatnot. My vets have even admitted to this. Just some thoughts from oer here! |
06-25-2009, 01:08 PM | #14 |
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| I read up about raw so much before trying it. It was a god send I tell you....Snickers LOVES to eat!! We still have Evo kibble out 24/7 but Snick only picks at it when he wants a snack. I can't explain how gorgeous Snick is, and I completely blame the raw for it His coat is shiny, silky, and luscious!! He smells sweet, we bath him every 2.5-3 weeks. His agility is off the wall, he is so small yet so powerful. His breathe is sweet (I do brush his teeth once a week.) The very best thing is..how much he loves to eat and how he gets excited to eat. His 1 year check up is coming up and I can't wait to see how he is doing. I pray his blood work and check up come back ok b/c if they don't I will be heart broken...I can't imagine feeding him anything but raw. The battle to get him to eat before raw was horrid, we left is food out 24/7 but I just never felt like he ate enough!!! He's only 3.5lbs! I'm not telling my vet I feed raw unless he asks or if his check up does not come back 100%. If it does come back 100%...I can't wait to tell my vet I feed raw
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06-25-2009, 01:17 PM | #15 | |
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