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02-02-2009, 08:26 AM | #1 |
YT Addict Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Fort Worth, TX, US
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| Too much protein??? Before I got Wookie, I did tons of research on yorkies. Bought a lot of books and stuff. Well, this weekend I picked up one of those books (Yorkies for Dummies LOL!) and was just looking through the diet section of it. I started doing the rotation diet between raw and kibble a week and a half ago and I just wanted to see what it said about raw diet. It didn't say anything about raw diet, but when I started looking in the nutritional area about kibble I got scared. (Just when I think I am doing good and have this diet thing under control!) It was talking about the area on the bag where it lists the max and min content of different things in the kibble. It said the max that an adult yorkie should have in the protein area is 27-29%. Anything hire can damage the kidneys. I am using Innova EVO, and it is 42%!!!!! (The raw medallions are only like 17%. On the rotation diet I am doing 75% kibble and 25% raw for his daily intake. That is for purposes of being able to afford it and based on his eating habits, activity level and weight) I am freakin out now!!! I have been told by sooooo many people that is a great kibble for him. People in here (YT) have told me that, several vets (including my hollistic vet) and many pet care professionals whose opinions I trust. Am I just over reacting, or is this really something I need to worry about??
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02-02-2009, 08:28 AM | #2 | |
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You are going to hear pros and cons about this protein thing. I also feed my dog EVO as well. He is doing really well on it. What is their not to worry about today? | |
02-02-2009, 08:29 AM | #3 |
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| Innova was too rich for mine... TJ is only 100% raw |
02-02-2009, 09:06 AM | #4 |
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| While I would probably opt to feed a food moderate in protein (about 24-30%), I also don't know of any research that suggests a higher protein diet will damage the kidneys. If the dog has certain preexisting diseases (liver, kidney, pancreas), lower protein foods may have to be given. It is really personally choice and going by the research that you have found and agree with. Nature's Variety Raw Medallions are 68% moisture, so they need to be converted to a dry matter basis (the same goes for canned food). So with the water or moisture removed, the Organic Chicken Medallions would be about 41% protein.
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02-02-2009, 09:07 AM | #5 |
YT 2000 Club Member | I had my dogs on a 32 percent protien diet and all of them had different issues. As soon as I switched to a lower protien food all thier issues disappeared. Like some one already said, everyone has thier own opioion on how a high the protien should be.
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02-02-2009, 09:14 AM | #6 |
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| protein issue What much of the research that I have read suggests is that too much protein for a dog who has kidney problems is bad and will increase the problems. HOWEVER, if your dog is doing well on EVO or a high protein diet and does not already have kidney problems, there is not much out there that suggests that it causes the problem. Each dog is different, just like each person is different. Some dogs THRIVE on EVO. My little girl had to switch to Innova bc her body did not handle that amount of protein too well, plus she only likes the 100% pure beef and chicken treats and that just added to the problem. Innova and the treats is a perfect mix for her, but you will have to be the judge on what is best for your baby. |
02-02-2009, 09:44 AM | #7 |
YT Addict Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Fort Worth, TX, US
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| Oh my gosh...thank you guys so much! And for responding so fast! It makes me feel much better!!!
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02-02-2009, 10:37 AM | #8 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lexington, KY
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| I just switched Bella from NB to Orijen and fortunately the boutique I am now purchasing her dog food from the owner is absolutely anal retentive about dog food research as his clients are (he has dogs too). So while I was talking to him, I posed the question about the higher protein amounts and he mentioned that a University in (I think) South GA or somewhere did a 5 yr study to see if higher protein levels did cause kidney issues in dogs. Anyway he went on to say that the research learned from that study is being passed along to the veterinary schools. I wish I could remember everything he said but I was there for over an hour talking about dog food so I'm afraid I'm slightly off on some of the details about location and stuff. I hope that helps. Regardless, the biggest thing is if your dog doesn't have a problem with the food then I would stick it.
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02-02-2009, 05:56 PM | #9 | |
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02-04-2009, 07:35 AM | #10 | |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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About the NV, that is personal choice. It is normal for companies to list protein and fat content how NV does, so that isn't a problem but it does need to be converted.
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02-04-2009, 04:17 PM | #11 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Tallahassee
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| Feeding a fussy Yorkie I am going crazy! My 8 month old Amber often won't eat her fried chicken/turkey/beef patties but loves green peppers and carrots. Wet tinned dogfood is sneered at by her. My darling wife won't believe me that Amber WILL eat even if the food has gone dry 4 hours later and throws it away and cooks more food!!! What on earth do I do? My wife is too old to train properly! |
02-04-2009, 08:09 PM | #12 | |
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How much homecooked are you giving?
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02-04-2009, 09:21 PM | #13 |
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| People used to think high protein caused kidney disease in dogs, but that's been disproven as far as I've been taught....although some still carry on the myth. Dogs are carnivores and were designed to eat a high-protein, meat-based diet. One of my yorkies has been eating Nature's Variety raw for over two and a half years, and my other one has been eating it for almost a year now. They just had bloodwork Saturday and it came back perfect.
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02-04-2009, 09:35 PM | #14 |
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| There are people who believe high protein is damaging to small dogs and others who believe it is the best way and the way nature intended dogs to eat. I'm not sure where exactly I fall on that scale somewhere in between I guess. I think if you want to feed a high protein diet it should come from a varied diet, not only high protein kibble . I would do a rotation of kibble /canned or raw. but again... that's just my preference , nothing scientific about it
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02-05-2009, 03:24 AM | #15 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Tallahassee
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| Yes, we're leaving the food out for at least 4 hours and then my wife states that it's dry and cooks a new patty!! I've always believed that if a dog is really hungry it WILL eat! |
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