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Old 12-23-2007, 02:51 PM   #1
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Should i allow my dog (when he is older) to become a stud dog??? he is from champion lines and has a great temperment. what are the cons of it? how do you breed dogs? (looking for breeders info) i do have the basic concept (ties, behaviour and such) is there anything in particular i should look out for? any info would be GREATLY appreciated! merry christmas!
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What are your reasons for wanting to stud him out?

Breeding is a huge responsibility. There are so many things that must be done before you breed him. He would need health testing done by a specialist to make sure he isn't passing on any genetic defects (tests for heart, eyes, ears, liver, patellas, STDs etc for both the male and female). He should also be evaluated by a dog show judge or knowledgeable breeder to make sure he meets the standard and is of quality to breed. You should also know the lines that the male and female both come from well...sizes of the dogs in their pedigree, quality, health, free whelpers, etc. Then you're going to be responsible for someone else's dog for about a week while she is being bred. Also, if you breed your male, he will most likely always have that stud attitude...humping and marking everything in site. Breeding is a lot of work and responsiblity. It requires a lot of knowledge of the yorkie breed and genetics to do it the right way. If you're really interested in breeding, I would find a mentor, start attending dog shows, and attempt to show him.
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along what was just posted...
here is the question...
do you want a pet or a stud?

these are two different dogs.

once you stud him out, he becomes a stud dog and (i don't think) you can get him back to being a pet.

stud dogs search and seek out bitches.....so if he ever gets away, he will run run run
anything you have ever taught them just goes right out the window
they mark everything
if there is a female near by in heat, he will howl
there are many other things that will change about him but this will give you an indication of what to expect.

once he studs, he is a working dog....no more a pet
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along what was just posted...
here is the question...
do you want a pet or a stud?

these are two different dogs.

once you stud him out, he becomes a stud dog and (i don't think) you can get him back to being a pet.

stud dogs search and seek out bitches.....so if he ever gets away, he will run run run
anything you have ever taught them just goes right out the window
they mark everything
if there is a female near by in heat, he will howl
there are many other things that will change about him but this will give you an indication of what to expect.

once he studs, he is a working dog....no more a pet
I do not believe that this is true as Koda's father is a sought after stud dog and he is still a wonderful pet and is still obedient plus he does not mark everything in sight.
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I do not believe that this is true as Koda's father is a sought after stud dog and he is still a wonderful pet and is still obedient plus he does not mark everything in sight.
maybe she got lucky. I've seen intact males out of their home...they really do mark everywhere. It's pretty discusting. I will never ever have an unneutered male as a pet.

You said he had champions in his lines. How many and how far back? Were his parents champions? Did the breeder you got him from show? If so, your breeder should be able to mentor you.
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I do not believe that this is true as Koda's father is a sought after stud dog and he is still a wonderful pet and is still obedient plus he does not mark everything in sight.
i believe I have seen Koda advertised on Kijiji for stud services. Is that really the kind of breeding you want to perpetuate? If you don't want to listen to advice to neuter him and enjoy as a pet, that is up to you but you are not doing any favours to Yorkies or the betterment of the breed offering him for stud services.
Every pet I have sold is from Champion lines -mostly my champions. Puppies I have sold are CKC regsitered non breeding contracts, but I have sold them for pet because to me they do not meet what I want for the show rings.
Does the person you bought from show their dogs, do they know what the breed standard is and how best their dogs meet that?
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i believe I have seen Koda advertised on Kijiji for stud services. Is that really the kind of breeding you want to perpetuate? If you don't want to listen to advice to neuter him and enjoy as a pet, that is up to you but you are not doing any favours to Yorkies or the betterment of the breed offering him for stud services.
Every pet I have sold is from Champion lines -mostly my champions. Puppies I have sold are CKC regsitered non breeding contracts, but I have sold them for pet because to me they do not meet what I want for the show rings.
Does the person you bought from show their dogs, do they know what the breed standard is and how best their dogs meet that?
I have never advertised him on kijiji for stud as he is only 15 weeks old. I posted this tread as a way to help me decide to neuter him or not. The breeder that i bought him from does not show her dogs. I have looked into the standard and he appears to be a good example of the breed. he is CKC registered and has champion lines (sire's side). Having him as a stud would be interesting and a good learning experience. Plus the stud fee would cover his cost and the cost of his future neutering. Since you are obviously experienced with the breed maybe you could tell me what exactly is wrong with having him as a stud if, infact, he is a good example and all of his tests check out?
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I have never advertised him on kijiji for stud as he is only 15 weeks old. I posted this tread as a way to help me decide to neuter him or not. The breeder that i bought him from does not show her dogs. I have looked into the standard and he appears to be a good example of the breed. he is CKC registered and has champion lines (sire's side). Having him as a stud would be interesting and a good learning experience. Plus the stud fee would cover his cost and the cost of his future neutering. Since you are obviously experienced with the breed maybe you could tell me what exactly is wrong with having him as a stud if, infact, he is a good example and all of his tests check out?
Money should NEVER be the reason for breeding a dog..never never never. Breeding should only be done to better the breed. I would start with showing him if you are really interested in breeding him. That way judges can evaluate him for you. Sometimes its easy to read the standard and think a dog meets it, but in actuality, very few dogs actually meet the standard as it describes the perfect yorkie.
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I have never advertised him on kijiji for stud as he is only 15 weeks old. I posted this tread as a way to help me decide to neuter him or not. The breeder that i bought him from does not show her dogs. I have looked into the standard and he appears to be a good example of the breed. he is CKC registered and has champion lines (sire's side). Having him as a stud would be interesting and a good learning experience. Plus the stud fee would cover his cost and the cost of his future neutering. Since you are obviously experienced with the breed maybe you could tell me what exactly is wrong with having him as a stud if, infact, he is a good example and all of his tests check out?
If you know nothing about the breed standard by showing him in CKC conformation, how would you know if he should be used at stud. Who would ask to use him? Not a reputable breeder that is for sure.
Breeding for money is not a good reason to put him out to stud. Is he your beloved pet or a commodity?
Do you know about any possible genetic problems he may not have himself but be a carrier and could pass on to progeny? The only way to know that is to know the dogs in the pedigree, the breeders those dogs came from, and if there were any problems in those lines.
I sure wish the breeder you bought from put a non breeding contract on the registration or kept him until he could be neutered avoiding this which tells me so much about the breeder you got him from if you did get full breeding rights. If you didn't, you are going against a signed contract which means you are not trustworthy.
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I do not believe that this is true as Koda's father is a sought after stud dog and he is still a wonderful pet and is still obedient plus he does not mark everything in sight.
Sought after by whom? NOt show breeders that much I know.
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Money should NEVER be the reason for breeding a dog..never never never. Breeding should only be done to better the breed. I would start with showing him if you are really interested in breeding him. That way judges can evaluate him for you. Sometimes its easy to read the standard and think a dog meets it, but in actuality, very few dogs actually meet the standard as it describes the perfect yorkie.


It's also impossible to tell at only 15 weeks whether or not he is a good example of the breed. Show breeders keep puppies who have any potential until at least about six months before they can begin to determine if they are great examples of the breed.

If your breeder wasn't showing herself and breeding dogs that haven't been proven in the ring to be good examples of the breed, it is unlikely that he is anything more than what most purebred dogs are, a great pet.

Unless you finish him in the show ring, the only people who will want to breed their females to him are other owners of pet quality Yorkies. You only have to look at all the Yorkies looking for homes on Petfinder or look in your local paper to see that we don't need any more backyard breeders.

Champion "lines" mean nothing. You want to see champion titled dogs as close relatives, parents, grandparents, etc. on both sides.

As far as making money goes, it will cost you more money to get all the necessary health clearances done than what it will cost you to neuter him. Please don't think about breeding him without screening him for the genetic problems Yorkies are prone to. Too many Yorkies are already dying from liver disease or being euthanized because their owners can't afford expensive surgery for luxating patellas or Legg-Perthes.
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I wouldn't breed a CKC registered Yorkie. I would stick with AKC.
You would have to put a lot of money into testing before breeding.
What if the puppies aren't selling? Can you keep them if the bitch's owner can't?
Very few reputable breeders would use someone else's stud. You will be dealing with inexperienced Yorkie owners who just want some cute puppies all the time. Can you handle that? You would have to tell some owners no if their females are off standard (if you are breeding to standard).
You would have to house and care for the female for a week so you may be liable for anything that goes wrong.
Would you be available if the bitch's owner needs help (constant calls if they're inexperienced)?

So, I'm not trying to totally discourage you from breeding but please just make sure it is what you want first. I would discourage anyone from breeding a CKC dog though... I just don't see how they're strict enough with registries.
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I wouldn't breed a CKC registered Yorkie. I would stick with AKC.
You would have to put a lot of money into testing before breeding.
What if the puppies aren't selling? Can you keep them if the bitch's owner can't?
Very few reputable breeders would use someone else's stud. You will be dealing with inexperienced Yorkie owners who just want some cute puppies all the time. Can you handle that? You would have to tell some owners no if their females are off standard (if you are breeding to standard).
You would have to house and care for the female for a week so you may be liable for anything that goes wrong.
Would you be available if the bitch's owner needs help (constant calls if they're inexperienced)?

So, I'm not trying to totally discourage you from breeding but please just make sure it is what you want first. I would discourage anyone from breeding a CKC dog though... I just don't see how they're strict enough with registries.
I believe the OP is in Canada so their CKC is the Canadian Kennel Club, not the Continental Kennel Club we have here in the US. The Canadian Kennel club is a legitimate, well respected registry like our AKC.

Of course, most AKC dogs are pet quality, too, and shouldn't be bred.
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I wouldn't breed a CKC registered Yorkie. I would stick with AKC.
You would have to put a lot of money into testing before breeding.
What if the puppies aren't selling? Can you keep them if the bitch's owner can't?
Very few reputable breeders would use someone else's stud. You will be dealing with inexperienced Yorkie owners who just want some cute puppies all the time. Can you handle that? You would have to tell some owners no if their females are off standard (if you are breeding to standard).
You would have to house and care for the female for a week so you may be liable for anything that goes wrong.
Would you be available if the bitch's owner needs help (constant calls if they're inexperienced)?

So, I'm not trying to totally discourage you from breeding but please just make sure it is what you want first. I would discourage anyone from breeding a CKC dog though... I just don't see how they're strict enough with registries.
YOu are thinking of the CKC Continental Kennel Club in the US which is a bogus club and will register anything.
However, the original poster is in Canada. OUr Canadian Kennel Club is called the CKC for obvious reasons. And yes, our CKC tried suing the Continental Kennel Club but judge said as the Continental Kennel Club is in the US, it wasn't a problem for our Canadian one. Stupid judge.
The Canadian Kennel Club is the bona fide registry for Canada. You can register a Canadian Kennel Club dog with the AKC if you wish. Some of mine are and I had to submit copies of my Canadian Kennel Club registration along with copies of the Official CKC pedigree.
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so i have heard all the reasons why i should not breed him. and i can't afford to neuter him and i really do not feel comfortable with having him put under during the sugery. any more advice would be appreciated!
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