Help.. the breeding process!!! - YorkieTalk.com Forums

christyaran · 11-01-2007, 02:10 PM

The days have finally come that my baby boy... Scoobie is becoming a man. We recently moved to a new house where LOL... 2 female yorkies one right next to each other fell out of the sky & are looking for males... well lucky me huh? Scoobie.. has 2 girlfriends, one that is in heat NOW & another that should be in heat in a month or 2. Here's the thing... Scoobie has been trying to get on top of her for about a week, we noticed that she wouldnt let him, then finally starting friday she let him, but were talking about a 1st timer here, he had NO clue what to do & our worry is that hes too small for her. well.. we would see them there but we couldnt tell if they were together or not. Finally it happened, on Tuesday. I had her here at my house & I hear a yelp. When i go to see whats going on i see her rolling around on the floor & crying & he doesnt get away. When i try to get him off her I see they are stuck. Im sure you breeders know what i mean. I was like OMG, what do i do now? I was told to pour warm water on them, but that didnt help. So i called the vet & he said just leave them alone & they will unattached in 15-20 mins, the ONLY thing that had me worried was they looked like what they called a dog with 2 heads & she was dragging him around & his thing was flipped the other way if he was looking away from her. So of course they finally let go about 20 mins later. They didnt touch each other again. He didnt want to have anything to do with her. She went home. Yesterday same thing but she didnt cry & they were unattached in maybe less than 15 mins. But still we had a dog with 2 heads. I am wondering.. will this get better? Wil she learn how to unattached sooner? Is he ejeculating inside of her? Whats up? I wanna make sure my lil man is getting pregnant, is there anything i can do to help. I have tried to get near them before but they run away from me. Scoobie doesnt allow anyone to touch her when hes trying to do his thing. PLEASE HELP!!!!! Thanks. O BTW---- If she is pregnant! When is the right time to take her to the vet to do an Xray to find out how many puppies shes having. & is it really an Xray? or is it an ultrasound?!?! Thanks for any & all help!

Ellie May · 11-01-2007, 02:16 PM

Whoa, that is not good. The female and male need to be held so the male doesn't get dragged. He could have been seriously hurt. How old was the female? Had they both been checked for STDs, liver shunt, ear and eye problems, luxating patella? Are their lines clear of it?

chachi · 11-01-2007, 02:17 PM

From everything Ive read its not safe to allow her to drag him around like that. That could injure him. Your supposed to assist them and hold them together. Good luck

hha · 11-01-2007, 02:27 PM

I always go to my old vets website to find answers to a lot of questions..the breeding process is on here
http://animalpetdoctor.homestead.com/Reproduction.html

christyaran · 11-01-2007, 03:31 PM

wow!!! thanks for the help.. i will definitely watch out this evening. I will try to assist them. On tuesday when i tried she would just flip over & cry & cry. I thought i was hurting her, but i will see what i do tonite. Does this mean he ejaculated inside of her??? any of that stuff? How many times is it safe to put them together? & BTW- YES his lil things is bruised. Like the skin, you can tell he has a little red line. But thanks alot!

MyFairLacy · 11-01-2007, 03:33 PM

You should have done all this research before you even considered breeding him. I can't believe that someone who doesn't even know how the breeding process works is breeding their dog. A dog's penis has a bulbous glandis that will swell inside the vagina, and the female's vaginal muscles hold that bulb tightly into place so that the ejaculate stays inside. They will normally stay tied for 10-45 minutes...or longer sometimes. There is NOTHING you can do to untie them until the female's muscles relax and allow the penis to pull out. You can SERIOUSLY hurt the female by forcing them apart and can definitely injure the male too. Also, breeders should be with the female and male when they breed, holding them so that the female doesn't drag the male around....he is helpless while tied to her. Can you imagine how badly that could hurt him with her rolling around and pulling him around? There is a LOT one needs to know before they consider breeding...I really hope you'll wait to breed your boy again until you do all your research. He needs to be evaluated to make sure he meets the Yorkie standard and is suitable for breeding, be tested for all genetic issues, and be cleared of STDs...same for the female.

christyaran · 11-01-2007, 03:33 PM

I will repost this in the breeder section. Thank you!!!!!

MyFairLacy · 11-01-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by christyaran

wow!!! thanks for the help.. i will definitely watch out this evening. I will try to assist them. On tuesday when i tried she would just flip over & cry & cry. I thought i was hurting her, but i will see what i do tonite. Does this mean he ejaculated inside of her??? any of that stuff? How many times is it safe to put them together? & BTW- YES his lil things is bruised. Like the skin, you can tell he has a little red line. But thanks alot!

She's most likely pregnant if they tied twice. I would NOT breed them again if he's injured.

011011 · 11-01-2007, 03:34 PM

I think maybe you should of read up on breeding before all of this!

BamaFan121s · 11-01-2007, 03:38 PM

As someone already pointed out, you should NEVER allow the two to breed unattended. The female trying to separate from the male could result in serious injury for both of them.

No offense, but the questions you are asking are very basic aspects of breeding that you should research and know the answers to waaaayyy BEFORE you start trying to breed. I have to wonder if you are having these issues now, what kind of issues are going to come up with your females pregnancy that you will not know how to handle that could put her life at risk?

Breeding responsibly is something that takes LOTS of research FIRST. It is not a learn-as-you-go process. My honest suggestion would be to stop trying to breed them altogether for now and study up before you attempt it again.

You've come to the right place to get lots of good information and help, if you are willing to take the time to soak it all in and learn. Doing so will be a huge benefit to both you and your dogs.

christyaran · 11-01-2007, 03:49 PM

Thank you. To tell you the truth I didnt know how difficult it was to breed like this. I didnt know that they get stuck in that manner. He has been checked for his genetic stuff & hes fine. STD's never check & i wouldnt think hed need to this is his first time. Hes an inside dog & goes to the vet regularly. I am researching all this tonight... i tried logging into the site 2 nights ago but wasnt able to get in for who knows what reason. But thats why im on now & asking everything. I will make sure to know alot more before he breeds the next time. This is my 1st time & all i want is for him to have his one experience once or twice & thats it. But thanks all for all the advice & for beating me up too! I will look at everything now before she does have her pregnancy. The female isnt mine & Im using him as stud service. But the owner & I are looking into alot of things. Thanks

BamaFan121s · 11-01-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by christyaran

This is my 1st time & all i want is for him to have his one experience once or twice & thats it.

What exactly do you think he is going to gain from having this "experience?"

If anything, you are risking his personality changing completely (aggressiveness, marking) because of him being allowed to have this 'experience.'

You say you didn't think he needed to be tested because he's an inside dog? What about the female? Was she tested?

I will pray for the sake of this female who is not yours that she did NOT concieve although from what it sounds like, chances are not in her favor. If you and her owner truly want to do want to start doing what is in HER best interest, then you will have her spayed to end this possible pregnancy before she ends up suffering because of a lack of judgment. This could be something that could EASILY cost her her life.

TLC · 11-01-2007, 05:22 PM

Oh boy. I am not a breeder, but you and your neighbor sound very inexperienced. I think you both should have 'really' thought this through first and made sure all tests were done on BOTH dogs to make sure they are not carring any genetics defects, etc...Most 'responsible breeders' spend lots and lots of years researching before going forward.

I have 2 Yorkies BOTH with Luxating Patella and Liver Issues (MVD) - they also have 'other' mild physical genetic defects. ALL BECAUSE OF POOR BREEDING PRACTICES.

I hope you don't add to this mix as well

Also, from what I have 'heard' - you little boy is now going to turn into a bad boy. He may start to be aggressive, he may start to mark your entire house nonstop, for the rest of his life and he may continue to hump (toys, beds, pillows) - He may start to do very unappealing behaviors - And all because you 'wanted him to have this experience' - I hope you are going to love him to same 'after' he may start to change.

hha · 11-01-2007, 05:23 PM

Please go to the website I posted and read it!

LoveMyJake · 11-01-2007, 05:33 PM

I'm not a breeder, but I do know enough to know that they should never be allowed to breed without someone with them at all times. They can get seriously injured.

My advice is to read all you can before you try anything like this again. If the female is not pregnant, please don't try again until you have researched everything. There is so much involved. How much does the female weigh and how big is your male? That is very very important.

11-01-2007, 02:10 PM	#1
christyaran Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Miami Posts: 23	Help.. the breeding process!!! The days have finally come that my baby boy... Scoobie is becoming a man. We recently moved to a new house where LOL... 2 female yorkies one right next to each other fell out of the sky & are looking for males... well lucky me huh? Scoobie.. has 2 girlfriends, one that is in heat NOW & another that should be in heat in a month or 2. Here's the thing... Scoobie has been trying to get on top of her for about a week, we noticed that she wouldnt let him, then finally starting friday she let him, but were talking about a 1st timer here, he had NO clue what to do & our worry is that hes too small for her. well.. we would see them there but we couldnt tell if they were together or not. Finally it happened, on Tuesday. I had her here at my house & I hear a yelp. When i go to see whats going on i see her rolling around on the floor & crying & he doesnt get away. When i try to get him off her I see they are stuck. Im sure you breeders know what i mean. I was like OMG, what do i do now? I was told to pour warm water on them, but that didnt help. So i called the vet & he said just leave them alone & they will unattached in 15-20 mins, the ONLY thing that had me worried was they looked like what they called a dog with 2 heads & she was dragging him around & his thing was flipped the other way if he was looking away from her. So of course they finally let go about 20 mins later. They didnt touch each other again. He didnt want to have anything to do with her. She went home. Yesterday same thing but she didnt cry & they were unattached in maybe less than 15 mins. But still we had a dog with 2 heads. I am wondering.. will this get better? Wil she learn how to unattached sooner? Is he ejeculating inside of her? Whats up? I wanna make sure my lil man is getting pregnant, is there anything i can do to help. I have tried to get near them before but they run away from me. Scoobie doesnt allow anyone to touch her when hes trying to do his thing. PLEASE HELP!!!!! Thanks. O BTW---- If she is pregnant! When is the right time to take her to the vet to do an Xray to find out how many puppies shes having. & is it really an Xray? or is it an ultrasound?!?! Thanks for any & all help!

11-01-2007, 02:16 PM	#2
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	Whoa, that is not good. The female and male need to be held so the male doesn't get dragged. He could have been seriously hurt. How old was the female? Had they both been checked for STDs, liver shunt, ear and eye problems, luxating patella? Are their lines clear of it? __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

11-01-2007, 02:17 PM	#3
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	From everything Ive read its not safe to allow her to drag him around like that. That could injure him. Your supposed to assist them and hold them together. Good luck __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

11-01-2007, 03:33 PM	#6
MyFairLacy Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 11,003	You should have done all this research before you even considered breeding him. I can't believe that someone who doesn't even know how the breeding process works is breeding their dog. A dog's penis has a bulbous glandis that will swell inside the vagina, and the female's vaginal muscles hold that bulb tightly into place so that the ejaculate stays inside. They will normally stay tied for 10-45 minutes...or longer sometimes. There is NOTHING you can do to untie them until the female's muscles relax and allow the penis to pull out. You can SERIOUSLY hurt the female by forcing them apart and can definitely injure the male too. Also, breeders should be with the female and male when they breed, holding them so that the female doesn't drag the male around....he is helpless while tied to her. Can you imagine how badly that could hurt him with her rolling around and pulling him around? There is a LOT one needs to know before they consider breeding...I really hope you'll wait to breed your boy again until you do all your research. He needs to be evaluated to make sure he meets the Yorkie standard and is suitable for breeding, be tested for all genetic issues, and be cleared of STDs...same for the female. __________________ ~Magnifique Yorkies~ Purchasing from backyard breeders, pet shops, and puppymills perpetuates the suffering of other dogs. Educate yourself and buy from reputable breeders or rescue.

11-01-2007, 05:22 PM	#13
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	Oh boy. I am not a breeder, but you and your neighbor sound very inexperienced. I think you both should have 'really' thought this through first and made sure all tests were done on BOTH dogs to make sure they are not carring any genetics defects, etc...Most 'responsible breeders' spend lots and lots of years researching before going forward. I have 2 Yorkies BOTH with Luxating Patella and Liver Issues (MVD) - they also have 'other' mild physical genetic defects. ALL BECAUSE OF POOR BREEDING PRACTICES. I hope you don't add to this mix as well Also, from what I have 'heard' - you little boy is now going to turn into a bad boy. He may start to be aggressive, he may start to mark your entire house nonstop, for the rest of his life and he may continue to hump (toys, beds, pillows) - He may start to do very unappealing behaviors - And all because you 'wanted him to have this experience' - I hope you are going to love him to same 'after' he may start to change. __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com

11-01-2007, 02:27 PM	#4
hha No Longer a Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Seneca, SC Posts: 2,837	I always go to my old vets website to find answers to a lot of questions..the breeding process is on here http://animalpetdoctor.homestead.com/Reproduction.html

11-01-2007, 03:31 PM	#5
christyaran Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Miami Posts: 23	wow!!! thanks for the help.. i will definitely watch out this evening. I will try to assist them. On tuesday when i tried she would just flip over & cry & cry. I thought i was hurting her, but i will see what i do tonite. Does this mean he ejaculated inside of her??? any of that stuff? How many times is it safe to put them together? & BTW- YES his lil things is bruised. Like the skin, you can tell he has a little red line. But thanks alot!

11-01-2007, 03:34 PM	#9
011011 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 1,432	I think maybe you should of read up on breeding before all of this!

11-01-2007, 03:38 PM	#10
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	As someone already pointed out, you should NEVER allow the two to breed unattended. The female trying to separate from the male could result in serious injury for both of them. No offense, but the questions you are asking are very basic aspects of breeding that you should research and know the answers to waaaayyy BEFORE you start trying to breed. I have to wonder if you are having these issues now, what kind of issues are going to come up with your females pregnancy that you will not know how to handle that could put her life at risk? Breeding responsibly is something that takes LOTS of research FIRST. It is not a learn-as-you-go process. My honest suggestion would be to stop trying to breed them altogether for now and study up before you attempt it again. You've come to the right place to get lots of good information and help, if you are willing to take the time to soak it all in and learn. Doing so will be a huge benefit to both you and your dogs.

11-01-2007, 03:49 PM	#11
christyaran Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Miami Posts: 23	Thank you. To tell you the truth I didnt know how difficult it was to breed like this. I didnt know that they get stuck in that manner. He has been checked for his genetic stuff & hes fine. STD's never check & i wouldnt think hed need to this is his first time. Hes an inside dog & goes to the vet regularly. I am researching all this tonight... i tried logging into the site 2 nights ago but wasnt able to get in for who knows what reason. But thats why im on now & asking everything. I will make sure to know alot more before he breeds the next time. This is my 1st time & all i want is for him to have his one experience once or twice & thats it. But thanks all for all the advice & for beating me up too! I will look at everything now before she does have her pregnancy. The female isnt mine & Im using him as stud service. But the owner & I are looking into alot of things. Thanks

11-01-2007, 05:23 PM	#14
hha No Longer a Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Seneca, SC Posts: 2,837	Please go to the website I posted and read it!

11-01-2007, 05:33 PM	#15
LoveMyJake I love Jackson too! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,905	I'm not a breeder, but I do know enough to know that they should never be allowed to breed without someone with them at all times. They can get seriously injured. My advice is to read all you can before you try anything like this again. If the female is not pregnant, please don't try again until you have researched everything. There is so much involved. How much does the female weigh and how big is your male? That is very very important. __________________ Selina, mommy to Jake and Jackson. RIP baby Lily Coming soon: Gracie Last edited by LoveMyJake; 11-01-2007 at 05:34 PM.