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AbsolutJ · 02-08-2006, 01:11 PM

Well i have had winnie since December 31...and she still does not know what a wee-wee pad is used for...the worst part is she is rubbing off on Harry.

Harry was PERFECT about going on the wee wee pad....then we got winnie and he started marking everything in the house....

Now they both go anywhere....

I am at my witts end..any and all advice welcome..

we cant walk them as we arent supposed to have dogs...so wee wee pads are the ONLY thing for us...

we TRIED to confine her to one area....and that simply just wont work...she yelps, cries and screams...yes screams(or atl least that's what it sounds like)...
I tried getting a trainer to come to the house...but that just wasnt working...

I dont want to have to send her out to get trained....1 the cost..and 2 I dont know what they can will do to her..

HELP!!!

Erin · 02-08-2006, 01:36 PM

I don't know much about the pads, we trained for outside from the beginning. BUT I do know that if they smell anything on the floor or carpet they WILL go in that spot again. So, before you can expect any success you must have your floors or carpets cleaned well (possibly professionally) We have a steam cleaner and always cleaned up after Loki's accidents using a good enzymatic cleaner both by hand and then with the steam cleaner. Immediately. He rarely went in the same place twice, which means we were doing something right.

You have to ignore the cries, screams, whatever. If you let them out you are reinforcing their crying. Wait until they are quiet to let them out. Have you tried crates?? Crate training works!

Finally, is he neutered? He is probably marking over her spots. If he is already neutered then you need to train Winnie before and Harry will stop marking. I don't believe marking is a house training issue, but can someone confirm that? Loki doesn't mark or pee in the house so I don't know.

Pads are hard. It teaches the dogs that it's OK to go in the house. Inside/outside is a stronger distinction for a dog than kitchen/living room. Why is it OK to pee in one corner but not another? They don't understand. Inside/outside they understand and can carry over to another house. You have quite the challenge ahead of you. Good luck and I hope it goes well.

Patti · 02-08-2006, 04:15 PM

My Aunt and Uncle are named Winnie and Harry! I used the Jump Start pads from Petsmart and Cali trained to them almost immediately! I don't know if I was just lucky or if it's the pads. They are guaranteed to work. I never pad trained a dog before and it was so easy with these pads. They are more expensive but worth it. Good Luck!

gutu28 · 02-09-2006, 10:19 AM

Im getting my little yorkie in a couple of weeks, and like you, Im not allowed to have pets, either. Im kind of nervous since Yorkies are such little yappers. Are there any ways that you have gotten around that so you dont get caught?

Athina · 02-09-2006, 11:12 AM

I'm a University student and live in student houseing which says i'm not aloud pets but my roomate has a cat and I have two Yorkies.
The thing you have to remember is that they are dogs and they will bark and play loud. I have taught me girls not to bark inside but they are really protective of me so when they hear someone outside my room at night they some times let out a bark (which is understandable because they are DOGS).
My yorkies are also completely trained to go outside. I did have a problem with Bella (my youngest) when she was being pee pad trained. Ruby always went outside and never on pads and I think Bella just wanted to go outside too. Bella would always have accidents but as soon as i threw the pee pads away and started taking her outside with Ruby she hasn't had one mistake inside plus i walk them twice a day.
Dogs are ment to go to the washroom outdoors. And I really think it's unfair to never walk your dog or take it outside. If your that worried about your landlord hearing/seeing your dog, you should move because it's not fair to your Yorkie to be cooped up inside 24/7 and made to be quiet. A Yorkie needs to be able to be a dog.

ytsirk27 · 02-09-2006, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Erin

I don't know much about the pads, we trained for outside from the beginning. BUT I do know that if they smell anything on the floor or carpet they WILL go in that spot again. So, before you can expect any success you must have your floors or carpets cleaned well (possibly professionally) We have a steam cleaner and always cleaned up after Loki's accidents using a good enzymatic cleaner both by hand and then with the steam cleaner. Immediately. He rarely went in the same place twice, which means we were doing something right.

You have to ignore the cries, screams, whatever. If you let them out you are reinforcing their crying. Wait until they are quiet to let them out. Have you tried crates?? Crate training works!

Finally, is he neutered? He is probably marking over her spots. If he is already neutered then you need to train Winnie before and Harry will stop marking. I don't believe marking is a house training issue, but can someone confirm that? Loki doesn't mark or pee in the house so I don't know.

Pads are hard. It teaches the dogs that it's OK to go in the house. Inside/outside is a stronger distinction for a dog than kitchen/living room. Why is it OK to pee in one corner but not another? They don't understand. Inside/outside they understand and can carry over to another house. You have quite the challenge ahead of you. Good luck and I hope it goes well.

What kind of cleaner did you use in your carpet cleaner? I have that pro heat carpet cleaner and I use the bissel pet and order shampoo but after i clean..Mason goes right over and pees......that and he Peed TWICE in front of me today!!!

Erin · 02-09-2006, 11:34 AM

Why was the trainer coming to your house not working? Can you possibly sign up for obedience class instead? Trainers know things the rest of us don't! :-)

Erin · 02-09-2006, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ytsirk27

What kind of cleaner did you use in your carpet cleaner? I have that pro heat carpet cleaner and I use the bissel pet and order shampoo but after i clean..Mason goes right over and pees......that and he Peed TWICE in front of me today!!!

We use Simple Solution first (it's better than Nature's Miracle) and rub that in and let is soak. Then we use the resolve carpet cleaner pet formula with Simple Solution in the steamer.

ytsirk27 · 02-09-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Erin

We use Simple Solution first (it's better than Nature's Miracle) and rub that in and let is soak. Then we use the resolve carpet cleaner pet formula with Simple Solution in the steamer.

Where you get simple solution? Can you get it at walmart because thats the only store i got!

Erin · 02-09-2006, 11:49 AM

I buy it at Petsmart. I'm sure you can get it other places too. If not try Urine Off or Nature's Miracle.

gutu28 · 02-09-2006, 12:01 PM

I'm also a university student but I live in apartments off campus that doesn't allow pets. The only thing Im worried about is the barking. How did you teach them not to bark as much when they're inside? Granted, like you said..they are DOGS so its going to happen. And dont you worry..I definitely plan on taking her out plenty for walks and such..the noise is just my number one concern.

Tiger's Mom · 02-09-2006, 12:09 PM

My Tiger knows only to go onto a pad. I got him the day after thanksgiving (when he was 8 weeks old) so I was unable to start training him to go outdoors. Since the breeder started training him on the pads, that has worked wonders for me ever since. Of course, occassionally he would miss the pad but it is always within close proximity so I know the intention is always there. When spring comes and the weather is a bit warmer in the early mornings, I plan to start taking him outdoors but will maintain the pad indoors for when I am unable to take them out. Perhaps you should crate train them (as suggested by another member). I am doing so right now with my Tiger. He has been really good and is holding up to 6 1/2 hours these days. He has had no accident since we started this a few weeks ago. Of course I was just lucky perhaps to have a dog that is so great as he has not had one accident since I started crate training him or while in bed (he sleeps with me every night since he was 10 weeks old). Anyway, if you crate train them, then they will learn to hold it, and then as soon as you release them, they will automatically head for wherever they need to relieve themselves - in your case the peepee pad. Just make sure you direct them there and supervise them accordingly. This way you are always there to check to make sure they do it where you want them to - so no accidents. Unless you are there to supervise, you will put them back in the crate again until you are ready to release them. Of course, this training takes some time. You cannot expect to have your furbabies hold it for 8 or so hours unless they have been trained . . .so this must be done gradually, starting with a couple of course, and increasing it by 1/2 an hour to an hour every week. . . . hope this suggestion works for you!

builder48 · 02-09-2006, 12:24 PM

This is my first post ever and I'm afraid some who read this may be a kittle put out, but here goes. My wife and "Shuga" (our two year old little girl) Yorkie and I are a family. We are simi-retired and we are LANDLORDS. I am distressed that anyone would disregard the agreement they made with their landlord regarding "no pets". All of you should be ASHAMED of yourselves you are not being honest. You are not being fair to your animal by seeking ways to curb their natural expression (barking). I will state one final fact, we as landlords spent around $2200.00 in 2005 on pet clean up after dishonest tenants moved or were discovered.

ytsirk27 · 02-09-2006, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by builder48

This is my first post ever and I'm afraid some who read this may be a kittle put out, but here goes. My wife and "Shuga" (our two year old little girl) Yorkie and I are a family. We are simi-retired and we are LANDLORDS. I am distressed that anyone would disregard the agreement they made with their landlord regarding "no pets". All of you should be ASHAMED of yourselves you are not being honest. You are not being fair to your animal by seeking ways to curb their natural expression (barking). I will state one final fact, we as landlords spent around $2200.00 in 2005 on pet clean up after dishonest tenants moved or were discovered.

um...im not trying to step on any toes but since this is your first post you may want to start off slow and pace yourself at yelling at people!! JMO.

sylvan · 02-09-2006, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by builder48

This is my first post ever and I'm afraid some who read this may be a kittle put out, but here goes. My wife and "Shuga" (our two year old little girl) Yorkie and I are a family. We are simi-retired and we are LANDLORDS. I am distressed that anyone would disregard the agreement they made with their landlord regarding "no pets". All of you should be ASHAMED of yourselves you are not being honest. You are not being fair to your animal by seeking ways to curb their natural expression (barking). I will state one final fact, we as landlords spent around $2200.00 in 2005 on pet clean up after dishonest tenants moved or were discovered.

Having been a landlord that was left a house full of fleas...I think this is a valid opinion.

02-08-2006, 01:11 PM	#1
AbsolutJ Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 27	I think winnie is UNtrainable Well i have had winnie since December 31...and she still does not know what a wee-wee pad is used for...the worst part is she is rubbing off on Harry. Harry was PERFECT about going on the wee wee pad....then we got winnie and he started marking everything in the house.... Now they both go anywhere.... I am at my witts end..any and all advice welcome.. we cant walk them as we arent supposed to have dogs...so wee wee pads are the ONLY thing for us... we TRIED to confine her to one area....and that simply just wont work...she yelps, cries and screams...yes screams(or atl least that's what it sounds like)... I tried getting a trainer to come to the house...but that just wasnt working... I dont want to have to send her out to get trained....1 the cost..and 2 I dont know what they can will do to her.. HELP!!! __________________ To the world you may be one person.... But to one person you may be the World!!

02-08-2006, 04:15 PM	#3
Patti Donating YT 10000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 23,791	My Aunt and Uncle are named Winnie and Harry! I used the Jump Start pads from Petsmart and Cali trained to them almost immediately! I don't know if I was just lucky or if it's the pads. They are guaranteed to work. I never pad trained a dog before and it was so easy with these pads. They are more expensive but worth it. Good Luck! __________________ Cali Pixie Roxie : RIP Maya RIP my sweet Dixie girl 1/17/08 http://callipuppyscastle.bravehost.com/index.html

02-09-2006, 11:12 AM	#5
Athina YT Addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 467	I'm a University student and live in student houseing which says i'm not aloud pets but my roomate has a cat and I have two Yorkies. The thing you have to remember is that they are dogs and they will bark and play loud. I have taught me girls not to bark inside but they are really protective of me so when they hear someone outside my room at night they some times let out a bark (which is understandable because they are DOGS). My yorkies are also completely trained to go outside. I did have a problem with Bella (my youngest) when she was being pee pad trained. Ruby always went outside and never on pads and I think Bella just wanted to go outside too. Bella would always have accidents but as soon as i threw the pee pads away and started taking her outside with Ruby she hasn't had one mistake inside plus i walk them twice a day. Dogs are ment to go to the washroom outdoors. And I really think it's unfair to never walk your dog or take it outside. If your that worried about your landlord hearing/seeing your dog, you should move because it's not fair to your Yorkie to be cooped up inside 24/7 and made to be quiet. A Yorkie needs to be able to be a dog. __________________ Athina, Ruby, Bella

02-09-2006, 12:09 PM	#12
Tiger's Mom Donating YT 8000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 9,272	My Tiger knows only to go onto a pad. I got him the day after thanksgiving (when he was 8 weeks old) so I was unable to start training him to go outdoors. Since the breeder started training him on the pads, that has worked wonders for me ever since. Of course, occassionally he would miss the pad but it is always within close proximity so I know the intention is always there. When spring comes and the weather is a bit warmer in the early mornings, I plan to start taking him outdoors but will maintain the pad indoors for when I am unable to take them out. Perhaps you should crate train them (as suggested by another member). I am doing so right now with my Tiger. He has been really good and is holding up to 6 1/2 hours these days. He has had no accident since we started this a few weeks ago. Of course I was just lucky perhaps to have a dog that is so great as he has not had one accident since I started crate training him or while in bed (he sleeps with me every night since he was 10 weeks old). Anyway, if you crate train them, then they will learn to hold it, and then as soon as you release them, they will automatically head for wherever they need to relieve themselves - in your case the peepee pad. Just make sure you direct them there and supervise them accordingly. This way you are always there to check to make sure they do it where you want them to - so no accidents. Unless you are there to supervise, you will put them back in the crate again until you are ready to release them. Of course, this training takes some time. You cannot expect to have your furbabies hold it for 8 or so hours unless they have been trained . . .so this must be done gradually, starting with a couple of course, and increasing it by 1/2 an hour to an hour every week. . . . hope this suggestion works for you! __________________ Tiger and Annika - official members of THE CRAZY CLUB & PINK CLUB www.mygofetch.com

02-09-2006, 12:24 PM	#13
builder48 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Shallotte,N.C. Posts: 24	Look at yourself in the mirror. This is my first post ever and I'm afraid some who read this may be a kittle put out, but here goes. My wife and "Shuga" (our two year old little girl) Yorkie and I are a family. We are simi-retired and we are LANDLORDS. I am distressed that anyone would disregard the agreement they made with their landlord regarding "no pets". All of you should be ASHAMED of yourselves you are not being honest. You are not being fair to your animal by seeking ways to curb their natural expression (barking). I will state one final fact, we as landlords spent around $2200.00 in 2005 on pet clean up after dishonest tenants moved or were discovered.

02-08-2006, 01:36 PM	#2
Erin Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago Suburbs Posts: 3,227	I don't know much about the pads, we trained for outside from the beginning. BUT I do know that if they smell anything on the floor or carpet they WILL go in that spot again. So, before you can expect any success you must have your floors or carpets cleaned well (possibly professionally) We have a steam cleaner and always cleaned up after Loki's accidents using a good enzymatic cleaner both by hand and then with the steam cleaner. Immediately. He rarely went in the same place twice, which means we were doing something right. You have to ignore the cries, screams, whatever. If you let them out you are reinforcing their crying. Wait until they are quiet to let them out. Have you tried crates?? Crate training works! Finally, is he neutered? He is probably marking over her spots. If he is already neutered then you need to train Winnie before and Harry will stop marking. I don't believe marking is a house training issue, but can someone confirm that? Loki doesn't mark or pee in the house so I don't know. Pads are hard. It teaches the dogs that it's OK to go in the house. Inside/outside is a stronger distinction for a dog than kitchen/living room. Why is it OK to pee in one corner but not another? They don't understand. Inside/outside they understand and can carry over to another house. You have quite the challenge ahead of you. Good luck and I hope it goes well.

02-09-2006, 10:19 AM	#4
gutu28 Lovin' the Cali kisses! Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Lawrenceville, Georgia Posts: 2,990	Im getting my little yorkie in a couple of weeks, and like you, Im not allowed to have pets, either. Im kind of nervous since Yorkies are such little yappers. Are there any ways that you have gotten around that so you dont get caught?

02-09-2006, 11:34 AM	#7
Erin Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago Suburbs Posts: 3,227	Why was the trainer coming to your house not working? Can you possibly sign up for obedience class instead? Trainers know things the rest of us don't! :-)

02-09-2006, 11:49 AM	#10
Erin Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago Suburbs Posts: 3,227	I buy it at Petsmart. I'm sure you can get it other places too. If not try Urine Off or Nature's Miracle.

02-09-2006, 12:01 PM	#11
gutu28 Lovin' the Cali kisses! Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Lawrenceville, Georgia Posts: 2,990	I'm also a university student but I live in apartments off campus that doesn't allow pets. The only thing Im worried about is the barking. How did you teach them not to bark as much when they're inside? Granted, like you said..they are DOGS so its going to happen. And dont you worry..I definitely plan on taking her out plenty for walks and such..the noise is just my number one concern.