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jacksonsmum · 10-26-2009, 04:58 AM

Jackson is over two years old. He started to poop in his carrier bed a few weeks ago. He has never done this before. He is not sick according to the vet.

He is very jealous of Tommy the new pup and hates him. He glares at us when we give the pup any kind of attention. He will be on the chair and suddenly growl and jump down and run and jump on the pup and put him down on his back. He does not hurt him though so we dont interfere.Tommy is over three months and a good size.Tommy does not poop in his bed.

Jackson go's out the same time 9:00pm to do his business and wants to go to his bed so we let him.We get him up at 5:30 am and he has already messed in his bed.

I made his space smaller and he stopped for a few days. i then gave him a little bit more space and he started to mess in his bed again.This tells me he is able to hold it.The poops are normal.

We are retired and spend a lot of time with these dogs every day.They are hardly left alone and go for two walks a day. It is not like Jackson does not get any attention. I will take him out alone with me to give him the extra attention cause of the pup.

I still have the allergies to the pup and am getting tired and fed up . At this point i feel like just rehoming the two of them. My hubby will agree with that. He cares for them but he could live without them. It would be a lot harder on me.

JJinjersey · 10-26-2009, 05:07 AM

Don't give up on Jackson or Tommy we know it's just for attention...I guess you gotta give him a little extra love...hope everything works out. Sorry to here what your going thru with the boys

JeanieK · 10-26-2009, 06:37 AM

I do not believe that a dog has the ability to reason that pooping in his crate will make you give him attention. They do not think about what happened today or what will happen tomorrow.

It could be that his eating schedule has changed with the puppy there. or he is eating the opuppies food and gettuing a tummdy ache. Or that when you take them out before bed he is focused on what the puppy is doing so he is not pooping.

Maybe you should let them out individually. And go back to the smaller crate.

But all dog experts will tell you that they do not poop or pee for spite or for attention or to punish you.

I have one that has pooped in her crate the last two nights, and I did not just get as new dog, so I am trying to uncover the cause, but I am sure it has nothing to do with me. And that she hates it as much as I do

ChantalB · 10-26-2009, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK

I do not believe that a dog has the ability to reason that pooping in his crate will make you give him attention. They do not think about what happened today or what will happen tomorrow.

It could be that his eating schedule has changed with the puppy there. or he is eating the opuppies food and gettuing a tummdy ache. Or that when you take them out before bed he is focused on what the puppy is doing so he is not pooping.

Maybe you should let them out individually. And go back to the smaller crate.

But all dog experts will tell you that they do not poop or pee for spite or for attention or to punish you.

I have one that has pooped in her crate the last two nights, and I did not just get as new dog, so I am trying to uncover the cause, but I am sure it has nothing to do with me. And that she hates it as much as I do

Excellent post and great advices.

jacksonsmum · 10-27-2009, 05:20 AM

Thanks for your replys

. We get down about it and so want to give them up but of course we cant do that. I think everyone on here gets to that point when they are having ongoing poop and pee problems.

Last night we kept Jackson up longer and he had his pee and came in. We then thought we should put him out again and he had a poop. His bed was clean this morning thank goodness.

I had a poodle years ago. If I would not let her come into our bedroom she would run down stairs and dump my plants and poop on the rug so I am still not totally sure if they are trying to get back at you or not. They would have to be very smart to do that for sure.

delicatepuzzle · 10-27-2009, 06:50 AM

My older one poops in his bed when he's mad at me. He also pees on me when I get a new pet for the house (I rescued a few kittens and two tiny yorkies).

JeanieK · 10-27-2009, 07:24 AM

Dogs do not poop in their beds when they are mad at you. That would mean they would have the ability to think about tomorrow and they don't.

They react to the moment. any dog trainer or book on dog training will tell you that. Dogs are not spiteful, resentful or vengeful.

Dogs will love you unconditionally. You could beat them and break their bones and they will still love you and crave your affection.

Why would someone even want a dog if they believe the dog is going to be vengeful everytime they don't get their own way. We hsve people in ourlives that can fill that role, we get dogs because they love us and forgive us no matter what we do.

JeanieK · 10-27-2009, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by delicatepuzzle

My older one poops in his bed when he's mad at me. He also pees on me when I get a new pet for the house (I rescued a few kittens and two tiny yorkies).

If your dog is peeing on you, he sees you as being inferior to him and not the pack leader. A dog would never pee on the pack leader.

To be a good pack leader, you must be calm and stable. If you are emotional and angry they see you as unstable. So it is you that needs to change, before the dolg will change.

He pees on you, when you bring another animal in the house, to claim you as his property. He should view you as the pack leader, and not as property.

jacksonsmum · 10-28-2009, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK

Dogs do not poop in their beds when they are mad at you. That would mean they would have the ability to think about tomorrow and they don't.

They react to the moment. any dog trainer or book on dog training will tell you that. Dogs are not spiteful, resentful or vengeful.

Dogs will love you unconditionally. You could beat them and break their bones and they will still love you and crave your affection.

Why would someone even want a dog if they believe the dog is going to be vengeful everytime they don't get their own way. We hsve people in ourlives that can fill that role, we get dogs because they love us and forgive us no matter what we do.

I am just wondering that if a dog has the ability to "forgive" you then would they not have the ability to be mad at you .

Not trying to pick on anybody but I just find the whole topic interesting .

Ladylavender · 10-28-2009, 05:10 AM

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He is very jealous of Tommy the new pup and hates him. He glares at us when we give the pup any kind of attention. He will be on the chair and suddenly growl and jump down and run and jump on the pup and put him down on his back. He does not hurt him though so we dont interfere.Tommy is over three months and a good size.Tommy does not poop in his bed.

In addition, a dog does not "get jealous". Dogs are very territorial and can be very diligent about Resource Guarding. All the behavior that you have mentioned above is not about jealousy. It is about guarding their resource, whether it be you or the chair or the furniture and to establish it's role as the alpha. This is natural behavior and has everything to do with establishing a hiearchy (sp?) in the pack. Please do not confuse it with jealousy. Otherwise you will not be able to properly handle it if it gets out of control. Because you really should be establishing the roles of each member of the pack, not your other dog.

And to answer the other question, a dog forgives because he forgets. A dog lives in the moment. What ever you are dishing out in the moment is what a dog accepts.

JeanieK · 10-28-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jacksonsmum

I am just wondering that if a dog has the ability to "forgive" you then would they not have the ability to be mad at you .

Not trying to pick on anybody but I just find the whole topic interesting .

With dogs it is not a conscious forgiving, they simply to not get mad at you. I knew when I wrote that, that it was going to be questioned.

For a dog to poop in it's bed to get even, would mean that it actually had to reason that pooping in his bed was going to somehow punish you, and know that you would be angry with him and they would be in even more trouble, but yet it would be worth it, to sleep in poop all night, and having you be mad at him just to get back at you.

Now that would be one scary dog.

jacksonsmum · 10-31-2009, 04:06 AM

Hi and thanks for your replys. I could not reply back right away as I had an email change etc etc.

Anyway I understand what you mean. I guess we start to think they are like little people with fur coats running around and not dogs. We think they are jealous or mad etc. I guess if they really did have those feelings we might not even want them around. They would be too human like

raindrop · 11-02-2009, 02:05 PM

do you wake up in the night at the time that he is pooing in the crate and immediately give attention of some sort (eg by telling him off or getting him out to clean up etc)?. If so i think that could positively reinforce it and teach him to do it for attention. And it might be worth trying ignoring it or moving his crate to another room.

otherwise - dogs wouldnt make the connection between pooing now and getting attention at a later time and its probably something else

jacksonsmum · 11-03-2009, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by raindrop

do you wake up in the night at the time that he is pooing in the crate and immediately give attention of some sort (eg by telling him off or getting him out to clean up etc)?. If so i think that could positively reinforce it and teach him to do it for attention. And it might be worth trying ignoring it or moving his crate to another room.

otherwise - dogs wouldnt make the connection between pooing now and getting attention at a later time and its probably something else

Hi no I dont get up when they are doing it. I wake up to the poop in the morning.They dont sleep in our room as I have allergies to the pup.We have since given them less space to sleep in and so they dont do it anymore.

kmm_fantacy · 11-05-2009, 08:33 AM

OK maybe im totally crazy and for yorkies its different but i have owned other dogs... I personly dont think that dogs dont have emotions or feelings... if a dog has an owner that beets him or something in the past does the dog not still get afraid whe you raise your hand.... does a dog not remember what time you get home... remember training like tricks... remembers people or dogs that they have met before... I fully believe dogs have emotions... dogs get depressed, they get happy and playful, they get scarred, and angry... if you scold your dog does it not go pout and feel sorry for its self... I dont nessisaryly think that dogs forget... maybe they do sometimes just like we can forget things... I think that they do forgive us... for love yes... for us being the pack leaders... probably the most...

Im a crazy animal lover I guess and believe that just about all animals have feelings... in some form or another....

10-26-2009, 04:58 AM	#1
jacksonsmum Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ontario/Canada Posts: 206	Pooping in bed for attention? Jackson is over two years old. He started to poop in his carrier bed a few weeks ago. He has never done this before. He is not sick according to the vet. He is very jealous of Tommy the new pup and hates him. He glares at us when we give the pup any kind of attention. He will be on the chair and suddenly growl and jump down and run and jump on the pup and put him down on his back. He does not hurt him though so we dont interfere.Tommy is over three months and a good size.Tommy does not poop in his bed. Jackson go's out the same time 9:00pm to do his business and wants to go to his bed so we let him.We get him up at 5:30 am and he has already messed in his bed. I made his space smaller and he stopped for a few days. i then gave him a little bit more space and he started to mess in his bed again.This tells me he is able to hold it.The poops are normal. We are retired and spend a lot of time with these dogs every day.They are hardly left alone and go for two walks a day. It is not like Jackson does not get any attention. I will take him out alone with me to give him the extra attention cause of the pup. I still have the allergies to the pup and am getting tired and fed up . At this point i feel like just rehoming the two of them. My hubby will agree with that. He cares for them but he could live without them. It would be a lot harder on me.

10-26-2009, 05:07 AM	#2
JJinjersey YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bronx, NY Posts: 272 Blog Entries: 3	Don't give up on Jackson or Tommy we know it's just for attention...I guess you gotta give him a little extra love...hope everything works out. Sorry to here what your going thru with the boys __________________ Bryan's Mommy

10-26-2009, 06:37 AM	#3
JeanieK Donating YT 6000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa Posts: 9,244	I do not believe that a dog has the ability to reason that pooping in his crate will make you give him attention. They do not think about what happened today or what will happen tomorrow. It could be that his eating schedule has changed with the puppy there. or he is eating the opuppies food and gettuing a tummdy ache. Or that when you take them out before bed he is focused on what the puppy is doing so he is not pooping. Maybe you should let them out individually. And go back to the smaller crate. But all dog experts will tell you that they do not poop or pee for spite or for attention or to punish you. I have one that has pooped in her crate the last two nights, and I did not just get as new dog, so I am trying to uncover the cause, but I am sure it has nothing to do with me. And that she hates it as much as I do __________________ Ollie Chachi Hallie Harlie & Me CircleKRanchYorkies.com]

10-27-2009, 07:24 AM	#7
JeanieK Donating YT 6000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa Posts: 9,244	Dogs do not poop in their beds when they are mad at you. That would mean they would have the ability to think about tomorrow and they don't. They react to the moment. any dog trainer or book on dog training will tell you that. Dogs are not spiteful, resentful or vengeful. Dogs will love you unconditionally. You could beat them and break their bones and they will still love you and crave your affection. Why would someone even want a dog if they believe the dog is going to be vengeful everytime they don't get their own way. We hsve people in ourlives that can fill that role, we get dogs because they love us and forgive us no matter what we do. __________________ Ollie Chachi Hallie Harlie & Me CircleKRanchYorkies.com]

10-27-2009, 05:20 AM	#5
jacksonsmum Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ontario/Canada Posts: 206	Thanks for your replys . We get down about it and so want to give them up but of course we cant do that. I think everyone on here gets to that point when they are having ongoing poop and pee problems. Last night we kept Jackson up longer and he had his pee and came in. We then thought we should put him out again and he had a poop. His bed was clean this morning thank goodness. I had a poodle years ago. If I would not let her come into our bedroom she would run down stairs and dump my plants and poop on the rug so I am still not totally sure if they are trying to get back at you or not. They would have to be very smart to do that for sure.

10-27-2009, 06:50 AM	#6
delicatepuzzle YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Orlando, FL, USA Posts: 374	My older one poops in his bed when he's mad at me. He also pees on me when I get a new pet for the house (I rescued a few kittens and two tiny yorkies).

10-31-2009, 04:06 AM	#12
jacksonsmum Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ontario/Canada Posts: 206	Hi and thanks for your replys. I could not reply back right away as I had an email change etc etc. Anyway I understand what you mean. I guess we start to think they are like little people with fur coats running around and not dogs. We think they are jealous or mad etc. I guess if they really did have those feelings we might not even want them around. They would be too human like

11-02-2009, 02:05 PM	#13
raindrop Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: UK Posts: 18	do you wake up in the night at the time that he is pooing in the crate and immediately give attention of some sort (eg by telling him off or getting him out to clean up etc)?. If so i think that could positively reinforce it and teach him to do it for attention. And it might be worth trying ignoring it or moving his crate to another room. otherwise - dogs wouldnt make the connection between pooing now and getting attention at a later time and its probably something else

11-05-2009, 08:33 AM	#15
kmm_fantacy Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lincoln, CA, USA Posts: 13	OK maybe im totally crazy and for yorkies its different but i have owned other dogs... I personly dont think that dogs dont have emotions or feelings... if a dog has an owner that beets him or something in the past does the dog not still get afraid whe you raise your hand.... does a dog not remember what time you get home... remember training like tricks... remembers people or dogs that they have met before... I fully believe dogs have emotions... dogs get depressed, they get happy and playful, they get scarred, and angry... if you scold your dog does it not go pout and feel sorry for its self... I dont nessisaryly think that dogs forget... maybe they do sometimes just like we can forget things... I think that they do forgive us... for love yes... for us being the pack leaders... probably the most... Im a crazy animal lover I guess and believe that just about all animals have feelings... in some form or another....