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jfeefamily · 10-18-2009, 10:14 AM

Ok folks...is it possible to get a dog who is untrainable?
We have tried EVERYTHING, and are ready to put the pup on craigslist. Yes, that is harsh, and I may hear some feedback from ya'll for it - but it's bad.
This dog can make it throughout the day in his crate when we are not home (safest place for the little guy when we are away.) no accidents. We feed him twice a day per a trainer (yes I paid for a trainer!!! and consulted with a show dog trainer as well), he gets no food after 5pm, and goes out several times up until 12 midnight. I set my alarm for 6am, but if I hear him earlier, I run him outside. He cries ALLLLL NIGHT LONG continuously. He doesn't cry to tell you he has to go, he cries after he has already gone. He soils his crate EVERY NIGHT - even if we take him out at 2am....he still soils the crate. When we leave him the kitchen - it's a mine field. He is 9 months old. His breeder kept him til he was just about 5 months. Told us he was trained....later we found out he was trained to go potty in an exerpen with other puppies being born. After discovering this....we put him in the crate for what we call ...Doggie boot camp to attempt to break the breeders bad habits it taught the dog.
We have tried more than I want to type. My husband and I love this dogs personality - he's great when we go camping. Happy little car rider too! But at home....we want to give him away! It's a nightmare. Yesterday, I let him out at 5am (he already peed everywhere in his crate - I took him off the deck, and when he came back up he kindly pooped on my door mat) I cleaned up the mess, and put him back in the crate so I could go back to sleep. I feed him at 7am. He cried and cried relentlessly until 7am. We had three doors closed and a TV on...and I could still hear him. This is a daily occurance either in the am or late at night.
He is not learning....doggie boot camp has been 45 days now and we have NEVER seen a dog that messes in his crate this way. Most of my friends and family who have dogs have never experienced this either.
We are desparate and on our last nerve. I really want "Shamus" to stay a part of our family but....I don't know what else to do. At this point, I need shock therapy to get the whinning out of my head. At night I think I hear it when he's not doing it! Ugh!

livingdustmops · 10-18-2009, 10:21 AM

How old is this dog?

Please do not list him on craigslist...

Ellie May · 10-18-2009, 10:28 AM

I understand your frustration (believe me, my 8 year old still has her moments), but three major issues with Yorkies are barking/whining, dislike of being alone, and hard to potty train. When he was "trained" in the xpen, did he use pee pads?

Yorkiedaze · 10-18-2009, 10:42 AM

I really believe your dog is a nervous wreck. No dog should be crated day and night. I don't want to make you upset with me, but you should really re-home this baby so he can live a normal life, otherwise call in Cesar Milan. This baby needs a couple long walks a day and if you can't do that then put him on a treadmill. You or someone else is going to have to start all over in training him and also if you can't keep him out of the crate into a secure room with no carpet, then things are not going to change for you or him. As it's going now, your only creating a very neurotic dog. I wish I could really help you with him, but we live too far apart. Maybe someone else on here can help.

deeogie · 10-18-2009, 10:48 AM

This situation has to make me wonder if he can help it....he is otherwise happy....maybe he can't hold it.... Sooo sad though! I think it's wortha try with Ceasar Milan......

Good Luck with your baby....
Lucky's mommy

jfeefamily · 10-18-2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May

I understand your frustration (believe me, my 8 year old still has her moments), but three major issues with Yorkies are barking/whining, dislike of being alone, and hard to potty train. When he was "trained" in the xpen, did he use pee pads?

No pee pads. I have them...I have tried them. Suggestions?

jfeefamily · 10-18-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by livingdustmops

How old is this dog?

Please do not list him on craigslist...

He is 9 months old.
Suggestions to help the situation?

jfeefamily · 10-18-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze

I really believe your dog is a nervous wreck. No dog should be crated day and night. I don't want to make you upset with me, but you should really re-home this baby so he can live a normal life, otherwise call in Cesar Milan. This baby needs a couple long walks a day and if you can't do that then put him on a treadmill. You or someone else is going to have to start all over in training him and also if you can't keep him out of the crate into a secure room with no carpet, then things are not going to change for you or him. As it's going now, your only creating a very neurotic dog. I wish I could really help you with him, but we live too far apart. Maybe someone else on here can help.

We go for walks 30 minute walks with my kids. He plays in the back yard with my daughter when weather allows. He is not in the crate 24/7, but we are trying to train him not to pee indoors. Even with going out every hour on the hour - and him being tethered to my belt loop whereever I go...he still cries when I crate him at bed time. IN MY BEDROOM next to me in the bed! I can't watch him while I sleep and he is 3.5 pounds. I don't want him to kill himself in wires or soemthing. It's ridiculous to think a puppy is safe roaming free in a house. I don't leave my 9 month child roaming free and I am sure neither do you!

jfeefamily · 10-18-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by deeogie

This situation has to make me wonder if he can help it....he is otherwise happy....maybe he can't hold it.... Sooo sad though! I think it's wortha try with Ceasar Milan......

Good Luck with your baby....
Lucky's mommy

Who is Ceasar Milan? How do I contact? I'm beginning to think this dog has a medical problem or something. I don't know.

JeanieK · 10-18-2009, 11:22 AM

I would suggest to NOT crate him during the day, to use an Xpen, put in a bed, a pee pad and his food and toys. I even use 1x12 boards to divide the potty area from the rest of the pen.

When you get home take him for a long walk. Do not keep him crated when you are home, confine him to the kitchen, when you are not playing with him or holding him.

Make sure he gets plenty of play time, and time to wind down after play, before bed time.

At bed time put him out for 5 to 10 minutes, then put him in his crate, somewhere OTHER than your bedroom.

I use towels in the crates so if they soil the crate, it is easy to just toss in the washer.

I have a 3 pounder and she was a year old before she could go all night without soiling the bed.

I do not think it is a good idea to get up and take them out in the night. they will get so they do it just cause they want to get up.

The crate I use is big enough to have a small pee area in the front and a towel in the back.

I would run a fan to drown out the noise and not the TV, because the TV might be keeping him awake. He might think you are not in bed and he is missing something.

Good luck

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dianethomas · 10-18-2009, 11:54 AM

Sounds like JeanieK covered everything.
She knows her stuff.
Your baby can sense that you are not pleased with him and it may make him nervous.

Yorkiedaze · 10-18-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jfeefamily

We go for walks 30 minute walks with my kids. He plays in the back yard with my daughter when weather allows. He is not in the crate 24/7, but we are trying to train him not to pee indoors. Even with going out every hour on the hour - and him being tethered to my belt loop whereever I go...he still cries when I crate him at bed time. IN MY BEDROOM next to me in the bed! I can't watch him while I sleep and he is 3.5 pounds. I don't want him to kill himself in wires or soemthing. It's ridiculous to think a puppy is safe roaming free in a house. I don't leave my 9 month child roaming free and I am sure neither do you!

I don't mean roaming the house, I said a secure area. We kept the girls in the kitchen dining area and closed off to the rest of the house till they were house trained, and even now if we go somewhere that we can't take them, they go into those two rooms. That's where their large covered bed, toys, chews, water and pads are as well. Even at night. We don't sleep with them. I really do feel you should either call in Cesar Milan or re-home him.

deneene · 10-18-2009, 12:59 PM

dont put him on craigs list i will take him, pm me if you want to get rid of him, i live in nc to.

YorkieShadow · 10-18-2009, 01:55 PM

So where is he crated? you said both
We had three doors closed and a TV on.and I could still hear him.
We have him crated in the bedroom next to our bed.sounds to me like hes in the crate to much.
being hes smaller he cant hold it as long as the bigger ones. if hes pottying out side so often and eats 2 times a day , I don't see where he would have that much in him to soil his crate every day & night. was he ever In a crate before you got him? if not that might be the problem.
he could be doing this because of being left a lone in his crate. many have anxiety.
at night I would get a bigger crate and put a pee pad in it.
I would not post him on craigs list, if its not working out find him a good home. but not over the Internet, make sure its with someone you know or someone close enough that you can check them out.

livingdustmops · 10-18-2009, 02:12 PM

My goodness..Cesar Milan...this is a young puppy that lives in a crate all day, has a few hours in the night with the family and then is crated in another room again for the night. He is lonely and scared. These are very social creatures, some more than others. Just what do you think CM will do for a dog that is not housetrained and doesn't want to be alone at night. This family is already trying tough love (having him sleep in his crate) and it is not working.

I am not blaming the OP but this little one needs more than they can give at this time. Many, many Yorkies are not housetrained at 9 months or if ever entirely and with his size it will be difficult.

I know the OP must be frustrated..it is not working out...and I would rather they think seriously about finding a new home for this dog then letting the feelings overcome them for this dog.

To the OP if I can help you please PM me. All I ask is that you not put him on Craigs List because people will fool you and if you love him there are better avenues.

10-18-2009, 10:14 AM	#1
jfeefamily Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cameron, NC USA Posts: 15	It's REALLLY BAD Ok folks...is it possible to get a dog who is untrainable? We have tried EVERYTHING, and are ready to put the pup on craigslist. Yes, that is harsh, and I may hear some feedback from ya'll for it - but it's bad. This dog can make it throughout the day in his crate when we are not home (safest place for the little guy when we are away.) no accidents. We feed him twice a day per a trainer (yes I paid for a trainer!!! and consulted with a show dog trainer as well), he gets no food after 5pm, and goes out several times up until 12 midnight. I set my alarm for 6am, but if I hear him earlier, I run him outside. He cries ALLLLL NIGHT LONG continuously. He doesn't cry to tell you he has to go, he cries after he has already gone. He soils his crate EVERY NIGHT - even if we take him out at 2am....he still soils the crate. When we leave him the kitchen - it's a mine field. He is 9 months old. His breeder kept him til he was just about 5 months. Told us he was trained....later we found out he was trained to go potty in an exerpen with other puppies being born. After discovering this....we put him in the crate for what we call ...Doggie boot camp to attempt to break the breeders bad habits it taught the dog. We have tried more than I want to type. My husband and I love this dogs personality - he's great when we go camping. Happy little car rider too! But at home....we want to give him away! It's a nightmare. Yesterday, I let him out at 5am (he already peed everywhere in his crate - I took him off the deck, and when he came back up he kindly pooped on my door mat) I cleaned up the mess, and put him back in the crate so I could go back to sleep. I feed him at 7am. He cried and cried relentlessly until 7am. We had three doors closed and a TV on...and I could still hear him. This is a daily occurance either in the am or late at night. He is not learning....doggie boot camp has been 45 days now and we have NEVER seen a dog that messes in his crate this way. Most of my friends and family who have dogs have never experienced this either. We are desparate and on our last nerve. I really want "Shamus" to stay a part of our family but....I don't know what else to do. At this point, I need shock therapy to get the whinning out of my head. At night I think I hear it when he's not doing it! Ugh!

10-18-2009, 10:21 AM	#2
livingdustmops Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,310	How old is this dog? Please do not list him on craigslist... __________________ Cindy & The Rescue Gang Why do you think they call them Yorkshire Terrors!

10-18-2009, 10:28 AM	#3
Ellie May Princess Dusty Paws Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Great Lakes State Posts: 10,448	I understand your frustration (believe me, my 8 year old still has her moments), but three major issues with Yorkies are barking/whining, dislike of being alone, and hard to potty train. When he was "trained" in the xpen, did he use pee pads? __________________ Crystal and Ellie May A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel. Proverbs 12:10

10-18-2009, 10:42 AM	#4
Yorkiedaze My hairy-legged girls Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: lompoc, ca. Posts: 8,322	I really believe your dog is a nervous wreck. No dog should be crated day and night. I don't want to make you upset with me, but you should really re-home this baby so he can live a normal life, otherwise call in Cesar Milan. This baby needs a couple long walks a day and if you can't do that then put him on a treadmill. You or someone else is going to have to start all over in training him and also if you can't keep him out of the crate into a secure room with no carpet, then things are not going to change for you or him. As it's going now, your only creating a very neurotic dog. I wish I could really help you with him, but we live too far apart. Maybe someone else on here can help. __________________ ZADA AZRAEL RAZAEL

10-18-2009, 11:22 AM	#10
JeanieK Donating YT 6000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa Posts: 9,250	I would suggest to NOT crate him during the day, to use an Xpen, put in a bed, a pee pad and his food and toys. I even use 1x12 boards to divide the potty area from the rest of the pen. When you get home take him for a long walk. Do not keep him crated when you are home, confine him to the kitchen, when you are not playing with him or holding him. Make sure he gets plenty of play time, and time to wind down after play, before bed time. At bed time put him out for 5 to 10 minutes, then put him in his crate, somewhere OTHER than your bedroom. I use towels in the crates so if they soil the crate, it is easy to just toss in the washer. I have a 3 pounder and she was a year old before she could go all night without soiling the bed. I do not think it is a good idea to get up and take them out in the night. they will get so they do it just cause they want to get up. The crate I use is big enough to have a small pee area in the front and a towel in the back. I would run a fan to drown out the noise and not the TV, because the TV might be keeping him awake. He might think you are not in bed and he is missing something. Good luck Cesar Milan is the Dog Whisperer Welcome to cesarmilaninc.com - Search Results for "cesarmilaninc.com" __________________ Ollie Chachi Hallie Harlie & Me CircleKRanchYorkies.com]

10-18-2009, 10:48 AM	#5
deeogie Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Brampton Posts: 114	This situation has to make me wonder if he can help it....he is otherwise happy....maybe he can't hold it.... Sooo sad though! I think it's wortha try with Ceasar Milan...... Good Luck with your baby.... Lucky's mommy

10-18-2009, 11:54 AM	#11
dianethomas YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Millington, TN USA Posts: 291	Sounds like JeanieK covered everything. She knows her stuff. Your baby can sense that you are not pleased with him and it may make him nervous. __________________ Cricket and Zaccheus' human

10-18-2009, 12:59 PM	#13
deneene Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Garner Posts: 48	potty training dont put him on craigs list i will take him, pm me if you want to get rid of him, i live in nc to. __________________ Deneene, Lee & Bela Rose wilkerson

10-18-2009, 01:55 PM	#14
YorkieShadow Donating YT 9000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: USA Posts: 9,460	So where is he crated? you said both We had three doors closed and a TV on.and I could still hear him. We have him crated in the bedroom next to our bed.sounds to me like hes in the crate to much. being hes smaller he cant hold it as long as the bigger ones. if hes pottying out side so often and eats 2 times a day , I don't see where he would have that much in him to soil his crate every day & night. was he ever In a crate before you got him? if not that might be the problem. he could be doing this because of being left a lone in his crate. many have anxiety. at night I would get a bigger crate and put a pee pad in it. I would not post him on craigs list, if its not working out find him a good home. but not over the Internet, make sure its with someone you know or someone close enough that you can check them out.

10-18-2009, 02:12 PM	#15
livingdustmops Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,310	My goodness..Cesar Milan...this is a young puppy that lives in a crate all day, has a few hours in the night with the family and then is crated in another room again for the night. He is lonely and scared. These are very social creatures, some more than others. Just what do you think CM will do for a dog that is not housetrained and doesn't want to be alone at night. This family is already trying tough love (having him sleep in his crate) and it is not working. I am not blaming the OP but this little one needs more than they can give at this time. Many, many Yorkies are not housetrained at 9 months or if ever entirely and with his size it will be difficult. I know the OP must be frustrated..it is not working out...and I would rather they think seriously about finding a new home for this dog then letting the feelings overcome them for this dog. To the OP if I can help you please PM me. All I ask is that you not put him on Craigs List because people will fool you and if you love him there are better avenues. __________________ Cindy & The Rescue Gang Why do you think they call them Yorkshire Terrors!