Bad bad marking issue

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Sway Says

I love it. I’m going to be an evil puppy miller yet, huh?

I never said "To house train your dog he must sleep in his pee."



And I didn’t say that either. I know that I said you should clean it up when you return.

I never said the dog should perpetually stay in his pee. But if he does pee and you’re not there, he’ll suffer the consequences. Evans says that if the dog tries to lift his leg to squirt out of the crate he won’t be able to. Of course the dog will quickly figure out that if he tries this he’ll be laying in his pee. Even more reason to hold it.

What I am saying is that you should crate train your dog.

And you don't need to convince me of anything. I feel that we could both agree that the dog could use a crate.

You're worried about semantics. But I'm not going to apologize for what I said.

The fact is if your dog pees in his crate and you are not there then that dog will have to be in that pee till you get there. Period. That's logical. And I said again that a dog will most likely not do this because this is an unpleasant experience.

As far as teaching something—there are lessons to be learned from this. Overall you are trying to get the dog to hold his urine and by doing that the dog will understand that he actually CAN hold his pee. There’s no need for him to pee every thirty minutes. Also by crate training you can get your dog on a schedule so that you both can predict when it’s time to pee. That’s two.

As far as you not liking what I said or how I said it, that’s cool the advice wasn’t for you. But will crating work? No doubt.

You said many things I agree with, perhaps I misunderstood your replies, but if I misunderstood them, it's possible others could misunderstand them. You said:

What's the lesson? He needs to learn that if he urinates in it he will have to marinate in it. Your dog doesn't like to lay in his pee any more than you do.

You didn't add, he'll lie in his own pee till I get home, so I thought you meant, you'd would see to it that he lies in his own pee. We have many different views of training on this forum, and I rarely say one view is right or wrong because I believe there are many ways to train a dog. However, when I see a post that recommends doing something that is abusive, I have to strongly object. You may have not meant it in this way, but this is the way it sounded to me. Remember, we have people reading the forum that will try your advice, and I didn't want anyone to use this method of punishment. I'm not arguing crate training or not crate training, but crate training must be done in a certain way, and if a person is going to be gone longer than the time suited for the puppy's age, it is recommended that an x pen and pee pads be used.

[Natalie Marie]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I would like to stay out of the debate going on below as I do not agree with all of the strategies and suggestions that were given as training tools for housebreaking.

First off, you need to control the marking behavior by purchasing Bellybands for your little guy. I would like to discourage you from using a doggie diapers as they are more for incontinence and females in heat.

What a bellyband does is stop the ability to mark by catching the urine before it hits the mark but it does not stop the marking behavior. Are you sure that he is marking and not having a house training issue? These are two totally different and need to be addressed differently.

Since you live in an apartment, I am guessing that this is a house training issue and that he is not going outside enough. You also need to remove his ability to sneak off and pee and you can do this a few different ways. Tethering him to your waist is a perfect solution to not allow him to get out of your site. When he is not tethered to you then you he needs to be put into his crate. As hard as this might sound, you need to take him out once every hour and as soon as he pees, praise, treat and back into the house. Put the belly band back on him and keep him tethered to your waist or into an xpen or crate. The crate needs to be small enough so that he does not have room to potty inside the crate. If he does have a potty accident in the crate, clean it up and DO NOT SCOLD HIM. Each time that he does potty outside you can let him have a little freedom but until you can totally trust him you need to keep him either tethered or banded. When you take him out you need to make sure that he does his business and immediately afterward bring him back into the house. He does not need to sniff around and look at the birdies. Potty inside, tether or crate, with a belly band.

Is he a puppymill puppy? If he is you need to handle him differently than if you have had him from a baby. Puppymill dogs are use to living in their own filth and many cannot be crated because of the past trauma of the mill.

Well.... the diaper strategy has already failed!!! He ripped the thing off right away. Haha. I will have to try the belly band. Pierre is not a puppy mill pup and I really don't think it is a bladder problem. Since I got Pierre... I have been staying with my Mom and Grandma and my Grandma is home everyday to let him out. So I know he is out all the time. It really is a marking thing. He has even marked our golden retriever!!! Definitely moving into a new place will make it easier. I had not known that you needed to clean using certain products... definitely good to know!

And ladies... I am sorry that this became a touchy subject. I appreciate everyone's advice and efforts!

BTW... where should I get these belly bands from and how much do they run? Will he try to rip this off like the diaper??

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Natalie Marie

Well.... the diaper strategy has already failed!!! He ripped the thing off right away. Haha. I will have to try the belly band. Pierre is not a puppy mill pup and I really don't think it is a bladder problem. Since I got Pierre... I have been staying with my Mom and Grandma and my Grandma is home everyday to let him out. So I know he is out all the time. It really is a marking thing. He has even marked our golden retriever!!! Definitely moving into a new place will make it easier. I had not known that you needed to clean using certain products... definitely good to know!

And ladies... I am sorry that this became a touchy subject. I appreciate everyone's advice and efforts!

BTW... where should I get these belly bands from and how much do they run? Will he try to rip this off like the diaper??

I didn't think a diaper would work but the belly band work really well for markers. There are a lot of people that make and sell them on here but I'm a little bias when it comes to buying and would suggest that you purchase from YHR. Your purchase will benefit the YHR pups and you will have a fashionable pup to boot.

If you have more questions just PM me and I will help you whatever way that I can. But you need to buy several because you will need to change them if he pees on them. I use them when I bring a new pup home since they have a tendency to mark then.

He shouldn't be able to rip it off because they have a velcro closure that is pretty tight. Diapers are made of paper and belly bands are fabric.

Belly Bands :: Yorkie Haven Rescue Boutique

[Sway Says]

You didn't add, he'll lie in his own pee till I get home, so I thought you meant, you'd would see to it that he lies in his own pee. We have many different views of training on this forum, and I rarely say one view is right or wrong because I believe there are many ways to train a dog. However, when I see a post that recommends doing something that is abusive, I have to strongly object. You may have not meant it in this way, but this is the way it sounded to me. Remember, we have people reading the forum that will try your advice, and I didn't want anyone to use this method of punishment. I'm not arguing crate training or not crate training, but crate training must be done in a certain way, and if a person is going to be gone longer than the time suited for the puppy's age, it is recommended that an x pen and pee pads be used.

Just a misunderstanding.... It's all good.

[4doggiemama]

Marinate in his own pee?????? Good Grief!!!!

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by 4doggiemama

Marinate in his own pee?????? Good Grief!!!!

It's all good we have been talking and she is on the right track

[Natalie Marie]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

It's all good we have been talking and she is on the right track

Haha... yes I am!! Belly bands and enzyme cleaner here I come!!!

Little Pierre is asleep in my lap this very moment!!! He always lays in my lap in the morning when I work. He is so adorable. Just thought I would share my joy this morning!!!!

Have a fabulous day everyone!!

[snickers65]

Thanks for all your advice and good information. I am planning to use the Belly Bands,too.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by Natalie Marie

Well.... the diaper strategy has already failed!!! He ripped the thing off right away. Haha. I will have to try the belly band. Pierre is not a puppy mill pup and I really don't think it is a bladder problem. Since I got Pierre... I have been staying with my Mom and Grandma and my Grandma is home everyday to let him out. So I know he is out all the time. It really is a marking thing. He has even marked our golden retriever!!! Definitely moving into a new place will make it easier. I had not known that you needed to clean using certain products... definitely good to know!

And ladies... I am sorry that this became a touchy subject. I appreciate everyone's advice and efforts!

BTW... where should I get these belly bands from and how much do they run? Will he try to rip this off like the diaper??

I hate to tell you, but moving to a new place will probably makes things worse. His desire to mark his new territory will be even stronger.

When are you moving? Hopefully not until his hormones settle down and you have some time to work on his indoor manners.

Dogs who are neutered later like Pierre and have already started marking can be very challenging to break of the habit.

[Natalie Marie]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

I hate to tell you, but moving to a new place will probably makes things worse. His desire to mark his new territory will be even stronger.

When are you moving? Hopefully not until his hormones settle down and you have some time to work on his indoor manners.

Dogs who are neutered later like Pierre and have already started marking can be very challenging to break of the habit.

Uh ohh... that scares me!! I am planning to move beginning to mid August. Will that be enough time for his hormones to settle a bit?

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by Natalie Marie

Uh ohh... that scares me!! I am planning to move beginning to mid August. Will that be enough time for his hormones to settle a bit?

The problem is that his marking behavior had time to really get established before you had him neutered. It's always best to get them neutered as soon as your vet feels it is safe, before they ever start to mark.

Hormones settling down may not break the habit. You will really have to be very diligent about retraining him. Don't allow him any freedom in your house and keep him tied to your waist at all times. Treat it like a house training issue.

A new house will mean new territory to claim as his own so his urge to mark will be very strong. Dogs that never mark at home often mark in new surroundings.

It is possible he may have to wear belly bands if you can't break the habit.