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forgetful · 10-10-2006, 03:02 PM

Harley, almost died. I took him in after a whole night of vomiting and bloody diahrea, I was worried sick. He was dehydrated and wouldnt eat, I rushed him to the vet as soon as they opened yesterday, and they put him right on the IVs and antibiotics. Cost 289.00, I dont care if it was a million, I just wanted my baby well, He is a year and a half now, but, still feels like my baby, They said he had clostridia, has anyone ever heard of this, He never leaves my site, and we have no other animals , and not ever any in the yard. I cant believe he got so sick, it was terrible , About 2 weeks ago I took my 21yr old daughter to look at a puppy , and when we got there it was terrible living conditions, there were about 15 pomarians running around in the house, omg, and it was filthy, My vet said I could of brought this bacteria home to my dog on my shoes and clothes, Have you ever heard of this before. I would like to strangle that lady and turn her in for filth. My baby almost died from this crap. Has anyone else had this happen to the dog. I want to know about the poop that he pooped outside , Is it dangerous for him to be out side around his own, because he was so sick? He wont even go near his own poop. he hates it , and runs from it every time he goes. I just hope there isnt anymore bacteria from him being so sick , Can he reinfect hiself with this crap? Thanks this is Harleys mama

psvidesigner · 10-10-2006, 03:18 PM

What a close call. I am glad you were able to get your little one stabilized and on the road to recovery!

I don't get my little girl until the end of October and I worry about her already...
So please don't forget the lady who sounds like she is breeding and in filthy stabilize

d. Please call someone so she can be checked.

Patti · 10-10-2006, 03:24 PM

That's terrible. Glad he is on the mend. It seems like every time i decide to be less protective and take Cali out she gets ill. I guess you just can't protect them from everything. I can't imagine the condition those poor poms are in.

keri1973 · 10-10-2006, 03:42 PM

wow what a horrible situation. i am glad he is going to be ok.. i would report her definately!

ilovelouie · 10-10-2006, 03:45 PM

Glad your baby is doing better. I dont really know about the poop thing but ya know it really $#%^% me off how people can let these little ones live in filth!!!!

GracieLou · 10-10-2006, 04:34 PM

That is horrible! Glad that everything turned out okay!! Good Luck

RoxyJosMom · 10-10-2006, 07:39 PM

You must have been terrified! Poor little Harley. I'm so glad he's feel better. Sometimes I wish we could put our little ones in a bubble just to keep them safe.

yorkieusa · 10-10-2006, 08:15 PM

That is the same bacteria as what causes HGE. You can read this thread just posted in the last few days:

My baby Ava is sick

Hemorrhagic Gastroenteritis (HGE)

Q: Dr. Mike, Our 2 year old male silky terrier has been diagnosed with HGE. Over an 18 hour period, beginning at 2am, he first vomited frequently in the night, then had bloody stools over the daytime period. He seemed increasingly subdued and would not eat. We took him to the emergency vet at about 6pm. After a blood test showed a 65% level of pcv, he was put on fluids and antibiotics IV.

Can you tell us more about where this comes from, what the problem is, what the treatments are, and how we might prevent it in the future. Thanks sincerely.

A: Hemorrhagic gastroenteritis (HGE) usually causes a very sudden onset of vomiting, bloody diarrhea, dehydration and depression. Dogs affected by this condition get very sick, very fast.

To the best of my knowledge, the exact cause of this disease is unknown. It appears that Clostridium species bacteria may be part of the cause. The disease is more frequent in small breed dogs but can occur in any dog. I am not sure what the general impression is among veterinarians, but dogs that have this problem seem to have a high risk of getting it again in our practice.

Most dogs respond very well to treatment with fluids to restore hydration. In some cases it is necessary to give plasma to correct loss of protein and antibiotics to combat the suspected Clostridium infection. In a few dogs, it is necessary to give fast acting cortisones to counter shock, which is a problem due to the very rapid onset of dehydration in dogs with HGE.

It is generally necessary to totally restrict oral food and water for one or two days when treating this problem. This makes hospitalization necessary for several days for most dogs with HGE.

The odds are very good that your dog will be OK. Follow your vet's advice carefully after discharge from the hospital.

Mike Richards, DVM

HGE in Schnauzer

Q: Dear Dr. Mike, My vet today diagnosed my 3-1/2 yr. old Miniature Schnauzer with Hemorrhagic Gastroenteritis. This is her second attack in just 2-1/2 months. The first happened over a weekend and I took her to an emergency clinic where they said she had Gastroenteritis. The second attack was much more severe and my regular vet saw her. My question is will her life span be shortened by this and are there any preventions I can take with her to help her from having another attack so soon. I would also appreciate any information you could share with me on HGE. Thank you, Frances

A: Frances- It is pretty likely that your schnauzer will have repeat attacks of HGE. While most of the time these attacks do not occur quite as closely as the two you have seen, it can happen. We had a dachshund patient who had three or four attacks in one year and has not had one that I can remember since.

Mike Richards, DVM

http://www.vetinfo.com/dhge.html

Connie · 10-10-2006, 09:31 PM

What a scare and thank goodness you took him to the vet right away! I hope he is doing better today and that he doesn't ever get that back again. Maddie and I send get well wishes and lots of kisses to Harley!

Danielle_82 · 10-10-2006, 09:45 PM

Im glad your little Harley is ok. My little Pete had the same bacteria about 6 months ago. All day he was vomiting and had the runs I finally rushed him to the emergency vet in the afternoon when his poo turned black with blood. He needed the same treatment, some iv fluids because he was so dehydrated and antibiotics which almost immediately made him better. My vet told me that this type of bacteria is naturally found in dogs and can just sometimes grow out of hand. Which is strange cause thats not what it sounds like your vet said. I was under the impression Pete already had the bacteria and he may have had some runny poo from something he ate to begin with (which is what the bacteria loves
) when Pete had the bad poo the bacteria released a toxin to promote more diarhea so it could grow more colonys, thus getting out of control. The blood in the stool is caused by the toxin the bacteria releases, it can cause small tears somewhere in the colon which then bleeds. My vet didnt say Pete had gotten the bacteria anywhere she made it sound like something all dogs naturally have so now Im confused, Im going to do some searching and get back to you.

Danielle_82 · 10-10-2006, 10:11 PM

ok i think i found something
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=2239
it says clostridia can be cultured from 80% of all dogs and should only be treated if it is symptomatic.

Danielle_82 · 10-10-2006, 10:21 PM

Oh i almost forgot, I also read somewhere that Clostridia is still present in feces that is still diarhea but not in normal stool. So if Harleys poo is back to normal it should be ok.

I promise I wont post 100 posts on this subject

forgetful · 10-11-2006, 06:09 AM

That sounds more reasonable about the bacteria being in the dog already. He was sick all of a sudden and went down hill fast, He is like a different dog now, just like nothing happened. I hope this doesnt happen again because I cant afford that doctor bill right now, 300 a wack , man. Thanks for the advise, keep me informed.

JCarlson2004 · 10-11-2006, 06:36 AM

I'm so sorry to hear this. Thank god you caught it in time and Harley is going to be ok.

Piccolo's mom · 10-11-2006, 06:41 AM

I am so glad he's betterbut I'd stil report the woman.

10-10-2006, 03:02 PM	#1
forgetful Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: michigan Posts: 68	Close Call................. Harley, almost died. I took him in after a whole night of vomiting and bloody diahrea, I was worried sick. He was dehydrated and wouldnt eat, I rushed him to the vet as soon as they opened yesterday, and they put him right on the IVs and antibiotics. Cost 289.00, I dont care if it was a million, I just wanted my baby well, He is a year and a half now, but, still feels like my baby, They said he had clostridia, has anyone ever heard of this, He never leaves my site, and we have no other animals , and not ever any in the yard. I cant believe he got so sick, it was terrible , About 2 weeks ago I took my 21yr old daughter to look at a puppy , and when we got there it was terrible living conditions, there were about 15 pomarians running around in the house, omg, and it was filthy, My vet said I could of brought this bacteria home to my dog on my shoes and clothes, Have you ever heard of this before. I would like to strangle that lady and turn her in for filth. My baby almost died from this crap. Has anyone else had this happen to the dog. I want to know about the poop that he pooped outside , Is it dangerous for him to be out side around his own, because he was so sick? He wont even go near his own poop. he hates it , and runs from it every time he goes. I just hope there isnt anymore bacteria from him being so sick , Can he reinfect hiself with this crap? Thanks this is Harleys mama

10-10-2006, 03:18 PM	#2
psvidesigner YT Addict Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 286	how scary... What a close call. I am glad you were able to get your little one stabilized and on the road to recovery! I don't get my little girl until the end of October and I worry about her already... So please don't forget the lady who sounds like she is breeding and in filthy stabilize d. Please call someone so she can be checked.

10-10-2006, 03:24 PM	#3
Patti Donating YT 10000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 18,351	That's terrible. Glad he is on the mend. It seems like every time i decide to be less protective and take Cali out she gets ill. I guess you just can't protect them from everything. I can't imagine the condition those poor poms are in. __________________ Cali Pixie Roxie : Maya's Mom RIP my sweet Dixie girl 1/17/08 http://callipuppyscastle.bravehost.com/index.html

10-10-2006, 03:42 PM	#4
keri1973 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 629	wow what a horrible situation. i am glad he is going to be ok.. i would report her definately! __________________ Kayli Camden Minnie , Milo , Harley and Shooter

10-10-2006, 03:45 PM	#5
ilovelouie YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: mass Posts: 1,754	Glad your baby is doing better. I dont really know about the poop thing but ya know it really $#%^% me off how people can let these little ones live in filth!!!! __________________ Our Photo Album is HERE http://www.dogster.com/?185528 http://www.dogster.com/?246319

10-10-2006, 04:34 PM	#6
GracieLou The grace of god Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: LA Posts: 1,945	That is horrible! Glad that everything turned out okay!! Good Luck __________________ Gracie Lou

10-10-2006, 07:39 PM	#7
RoxyJosMom Love The Verminator! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: PA Posts: 4,082	You must have been terrified! Poor little Harley. I'm so glad he's feel better. Sometimes I wish we could put our little ones in a bubble just to keep them safe. __________________ Roxy loves Alphy Remi loves Millie Mom to RoxyJo & Remington , Fozzy Bear & Chloe , Cosmo T. & Juju B. Bird, Hank & Nosee

10-10-2006, 08:15 PM	#8
yorkieusa Crazy about Kacee! Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 8,832	That is the same bacteria as what causes HGE. You can read this thread just posted in the last few days: My baby Ava is sick Hemorrhagic Gastroenteritis (HGE) Q: Dr. Mike, Our 2 year old male silky terrier has been diagnosed with HGE. Over an 18 hour period, beginning at 2am, he first vomited frequently in the night, then had bloody stools over the daytime period. He seemed increasingly subdued and would not eat. We took him to the emergency vet at about 6pm. After a blood test showed a 65% level of pcv, he was put on fluids and antibiotics IV. Can you tell us more about where this comes from, what the problem is, what the treatments are, and how we might prevent it in the future. Thanks sincerely. A: Hemorrhagic gastroenteritis (HGE) usually causes a very sudden onset of vomiting, bloody diarrhea, dehydration and depression. Dogs affected by this condition get very sick, very fast. To the best of my knowledge, the exact cause of this disease is unknown. It appears that Clostridium species bacteria may be part of the cause. The disease is more frequent in small breed dogs but can occur in any dog. I am not sure what the general impression is among veterinarians, but dogs that have this problem seem to have a high risk of getting it again in our practice. Most dogs respond very well to treatment with fluids to restore hydration. In some cases it is necessary to give plasma to correct loss of protein and antibiotics to combat the suspected Clostridium infection. In a few dogs, it is necessary to give fast acting cortisones to counter shock, which is a problem due to the very rapid onset of dehydration in dogs with HGE. It is generally necessary to totally restrict oral food and water for one or two days when treating this problem. This makes hospitalization necessary for several days for most dogs with HGE. The odds are very good that your dog will be OK. Follow your vet's advice carefully after discharge from the hospital. Mike Richards, DVM HGE in Schnauzer Q: Dear Dr. Mike, My vet today diagnosed my 3-1/2 yr. old Miniature Schnauzer with Hemorrhagic Gastroenteritis. This is her second attack in just 2-1/2 months. The first happened over a weekend and I took her to an emergency clinic where they said she had Gastroenteritis. The second attack was much more severe and my regular vet saw her. My question is will her life span be shortened by this and are there any preventions I can take with her to help her from having another attack so soon. I would also appreciate any information you could share with me on HGE. Thank you, Frances A: Frances- It is pretty likely that your schnauzer will have repeat attacks of HGE. While most of the time these attacks do not occur quite as closely as the two you have seen, it can happen. We had a dachshund patient who had three or four attacks in one year and has not had one that I can remember since. Mike Richards, DVM http://www.vetinfo.com/dhge.html __________________ Karen Kacee Muffin 1991-2005 Rest in Peace My Little Angel

10-10-2006, 09:31 PM	#9
Connie Loved by Maddie & Libby Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North Dakota Posts: 7,009	What a scare and thank goodness you took him to the vet right away! I hope he is doing better today and that he doesn't ever get that back again. Maddie and I send get well wishes and lots of kisses to Harley! __________________ Connie's Custom Harness Dresses & Vests

10-10-2006, 09:45 PM	#10
Danielle_82 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 120	Im glad your little Harley is ok. My little Pete had the same bacteria about 6 months ago. All day he was vomiting and had the runs I finally rushed him to the emergency vet in the afternoon when his poo turned black with blood. He needed the same treatment, some iv fluids because he was so dehydrated and antibiotics which almost immediately made him better. My vet told me that this type of bacteria is naturally found in dogs and can just sometimes grow out of hand. Which is strange cause thats not what it sounds like your vet said. I was under the impression Pete already had the bacteria and he may have had some runny poo from something he ate to begin with (which is what the bacteria loves ) when Pete had the bad poo the bacteria released a toxin to promote more diarhea so it could grow more colonys, thus getting out of control. The blood in the stool is caused by the toxin the bacteria releases, it can cause small tears somewhere in the colon which then bleeds. My vet didnt say Pete had gotten the bacteria anywhere she made it sound like something all dogs naturally have so now Im confused, Im going to do some searching and get back to you.

10-10-2006, 10:11 PM	#11
Danielle_82 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 120	ok i think i found something http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=2239 it says clostridia can be cultured from 80% of all dogs and should only be treated if it is symptomatic.

10-10-2006, 10:21 PM	#12
Danielle_82 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 120	Oh i almost forgot, I also read somewhere that Clostridia is still present in feces that is still diarhea but not in normal stool. So if Harleys poo is back to normal it should be ok. I promise I wont post 100 posts on this subject

10-11-2006, 06:09 AM	#13
forgetful Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: michigan Posts: 68	That sounds more reasonable about the bacteria being in the dog already. He was sick all of a sudden and went down hill fast, He is like a different dog now, just like nothing happened. I hope this doesnt happen again because I cant afford that doctor bill right now, 300 a wack , man. Thanks for the advise, keep me informed.

10-11-2006, 06:36 AM	#14
JCarlson2004 Mommy To 3 Poochies Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York Posts: 8,189	I'm so sorry to hear this. Thank god you caught it in time and Harley is going to be ok. __________________ Mommy Loves Codie, Tia & Baby Cali RIP My Precious Katie - I Love You

10-11-2006, 06:41 AM	#15
Piccolo's mom Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada Posts: 771	I am so glad he's betterbut I'd stil report the woman. __________________ Barb & Piccolo If your dog barks and doesn't fit in a bread roll, don't eat it.