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01-05-2018, 07:23 AM | #1 |
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| Coughing Hi my 17 year old dog has started coughing. We are on our 3rd day. The first 2 nights it happened in the middle of the night for about 2 hours then she stopped and never made another peep until the following night again for about 2 hours. Yesterday it happened once in the middle of the day. We went to the vet exam and xrays The vet felt it was collapsed trachea. Gave her an antibiotic shot and hycodan to give her when she is coughing. I gave it to her this morning and it didn't help at all. I've had 2 other dogs of collapsed trachea and this seems different than how theirs was which i know can happen from dog to dog. I read a bunch online last night and it sounds like most dogs have when they get excited as my other 2 did. I think that it's odd that she's having it when she's at her calmest like sleeping. She is also having a white foamy substance come out each cough which my other 2 never did. I'm just curious as to what anybody else's thoughts may be from watching the video or their experience with their dogs that may be similar. https://youtu.be/B1J9utNfoNI
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01-05-2018, 07:35 AM | #2 |
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| Coughing Sorry your baby is having this issue. I wonder if it could be gastric reflux when the tummy is empty? I say this as you said she had white foam coming out of her mouth. Perhaps you could discuss this with the vet who may prescribe Pepcid? |
01-05-2018, 08:44 AM | #3 |
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| Collapsed trachea often is worse at night when they are sleeping. I believe it is due to positioning and pressure on the trachea. Every single CT pup I have had was different in terms of symptoms and meds that worked or did not work. You say there was an xray done .... so I am assuming the heart looked ok? White foam can indicate CHF....or a terrible condition: torn chordae tendonae. If he is having a lot of these symptoms, I would go back to the vet OR seek a second opinion. You should call your vet anyway if the Hycodan isn't giving relief because the more they cough, the more irriation and you want to try to tamp that down.
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01-05-2018, 08:46 AM | #4 |
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| Leni, if you want, I can give you a list of things that have worked for me in the past with different pups. I tend to think that this may be more heart related, but if it IS CT, I have extensive experience with various meds. I have to get off the computer now to take a couple of my pups to the vet, but will be back later on....
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01-05-2018, 12:07 PM | #5 |
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| Linda thank you for your response. You were actually the first person I thought of that could help us. I knew you would have experience. I'll Google the 2 other things you mentioned. We had 2 in the middle of the night, 1 very early AM while she was sleeping and one in the middle of the day right after a nap. So all have started in sleep. They last less than 2 hours and she doesn't make a peep, cough or wheeze outside the episode which I find odd. They said her heart looks and sounded good. Her bloodwork was done 2 months before this and was great...haven't redone it since the cough though. Other than that she is eating and seems fine. Its killing me to see Daisy struggle at this age 💔
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01-05-2018, 12:14 PM | #6 |
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| I am so very sorry. Living with our aging yorkies is such a bittersweet time. Sending prayers for comfort and healing. You are right, LJ is a good resource. |
01-05-2018, 12:15 PM | #7 |
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| You know what....I didn't see your video until now!! It does not sound like CHF or a ruptured Chordae Tendonae to me and if they said her heart is good, then it isn't either of them. Not sure why the mucous....but, she still could have CT which I am more inclined to think it is after seeing the video. A little bit later on, I am going to put together a list of some things I have tried medication wise that you can ask your vet about.
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01-05-2018, 12:19 PM | #8 |
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| Good to know the collapsed trachea is worse when sleeping. I didn't know that and that's one of the reasons I felt this may be a misdiagnosis. My other dogs with CT only had issues when very active or excited. I just read about the torn chordae tendonae and they did listen for murmur and said her heart sounded good. From what I read on Google it seems unlikely :/ She has never coughed before this started a couple days ago so I wonder if it shows up on xray in the very early stages? The vet also had two other vets check the xray to confirm the CT so it makes me think it wasn't a clear yes to her.
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01-05-2018, 12:20 PM | #9 |
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| If you want to know for SURE that it is CT, ask them to refer you for a flouroscopy. Sometimes a regular chest xray will show it, but sometimes not. A flouroscopy is an xray that shows the trachea on inspiration and expiration. At least then you would have a definitive answer. I believe it is relatively inexpensive (it has been a long time since I had one done and I don't remember)....not a lot more than a regular xray.... but you could call and ask. What is Fluoroscopy?
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01-05-2018, 12:21 PM | #10 |
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| Thank you Linda 💕 I have pictures of the foam but for some reason i cant figure out how to post them. It white and is a pretty good amount each cough.
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https://www.vetinfo.com/dog-coughing-up-white-foam.html Has she been to a groomer or boarding facility? Any place where she could have been exposed to kennel cough? Now that I am seeing that, that cough actually does sound kind of like kennel cough!
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Thank you...It really is very bittersweet 💕
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01-05-2018, 05:01 PM | #13 |
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| One interesting medication is Lomotil. I know it sounds weird, but it does work in some. If your vet hasn't heard of using it, he can find the information in Kirk's Veterinary Manual. I don't know which edition though and I know it is not in all of them. I have a copy of the information from that manual online here: Index of /lomotil I have used Torbutrol and also have alternated it with Hycodan for really bad periods. Prednisone can be used but of course you want to avoid it as much as possible...or at least dose it every other day so the adrenals still function. One of my pups was on Temeril P for years for his allergies. When the newer meds came out we took him off of it and he started having problems with his collapsed trachea ... I had not known he had CT and apparently the small amount of pred in the Temeril P had kept him under control. So, that is another med that can work. Also, for really severe nighttime episodes with one of my pups, I used to have syringes on hand that were pre loaded by my vet with torbutrol and ace pro. Yes, it drugged him up...but his coughing was so bad it was necessary. The ace calmed him and the torb helped the cough. It was great for saving me trips to the EC in the middle of the night. Discuss it with your vet. Probably the best route is to maybe see if the Lomotil will help. That really is a bit of a long shot...but I have seen it help two pups...mine and one other. Then, I think the Torb would be the best next option. It is a bit stronger than the Hycodan I think. Of course, keep weight down, stress down and keep in a dry cool environment. I have actually taken pups out to my car and put the a/c on high and put them in front of the vent for relief. Hope something here can help.
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01-05-2018, 05:03 PM | #14 |
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| I have heard of people using aminophylline...I have tried it and never had any success with it at all. I don't really understand how it would work if you can't get air past the trachea...
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01-05-2018, 05:16 PM | #15 |
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| Ok thank you so much. So you had success with the hycodan? It didn't phase her cough! Do you think it strange she has never once had an issue and now it's a couple times a day? Seems with my dog Maggie that it had progressed over time it didn't just show up instantly. The foam thing is weird too I can't find anything online about CT dogs coughing foam.
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