Huge Bruise Or Huge Rash?

[princetonbaby]

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by princetonbaby

Hi all, (this is long, again, sorry! lol)

I will be updating with pics that I took just now a little later today but I think I have revised my hypothesis as to what happened, with a little added info.

We think it might have been the 1 year old (he will be 1 this month) he is in his throwing everything and hitting things stage and he does hit pretty hard. The other kids said he hit the dog with a toy. Whether or not this is true I will never know for sure.

However, the bruising is about the size of a quarter now and right on the center of his breast bone. It is really bizarre to me because it was HUGE. It even made me wonder if the vet was wrong about it being a bruise at all??

I was so freaked out, obviously, as you can see from the pics, but now you can barely tell it's there and this was how it was most of yesterday too. I've personally never seen a bruise clear up that quickly... I still have a tender spot on my leg where I ran into a guard rail at a movie theater months ago and had a deep large bruise for several weeks.

Princeton went there on Friday evening, and I picked up on Sunday evening and noticed the bruising on Monday. It is now Friday again. Now when I wrote my post I REALLY couldn't tell if it was a bruise or a rash, the pictures make it appear darker and more purple, but it was a really angry red color in person which is why I thought rash.

Now, there is a tiny purplish-red area around the center of his breast bone/top of his chest, but it's not very large or very dark at all.

I'm properly confused. Was the LARGE area a reaction to being hit in a centralized area? Was it a reaction to something else entirely? Was it a rash!? It really was nearly the shape of his harness, which is where that potential idea of what happened came from. He hasn't worn that harness at all since (but he'd been using that one for quite a while with no problems)

Sorry these updates are so wordy! I wish I could just ask my boy what happened!! So I'm sorta thinking out loud as I post. I was really upset and really scared at first. I'm definitely relieved that he is fine and that the massive size has gone down, but I am honestly bewildered. I dont see marks on his neck anymore, or near his armpit or the majority of that side of his chest, just mainly center on the bony area where the ribs come together.

I will have to say I didn't too much care for the vet, he gave him a good once over to make sure he was bending and moving okay and in no pain and no signs of infection/illness but he said bruise very quickly. It was not the vet we normally see and the appointment was quick. Granted for a bruise there isn't much you can do and Duke (I call Princeton this sometimes, don't know where it came from, Lol -- neither name has anything to do with either school!) wasn't in pain so he didn't need pain management. But the vet seemed pretty dismissive into really investigating it and was more worried about what he could have me spend more money on instead ("wanna schedule surgery today?!" even though I expressed fear and hesitation about having him neutered and wanted to discuss everything in depth he just wanted me to get my credit card out. It was dismissive and rude and definitely didn't set me at ease.)

I am going to see if I can get him in with his groomer today or tomorrow, but I got his chest wet again to get a better look and there just isn't much there. It's really odd you guys.

Him being smacked with a toy against that bony part where his ribs come together seems feasible and perhaps the redness was just a reaction? I dont know if he was smacked Friday or Saturday or Sunday. If that's even what happened.

The worst part of this is not knowing what exactly is going on and if it wasn't the kids at all then what was it? I am happy he is okay but I don't ever want to see that sort of coloring on him ever again, that's for sure.

Unfortunately he does have to have bloods drawn in a couple weeks for routine care (heartworm check) and I really hope he doesn't bruise up from it!!

When my dog has bruised it looked like that and healed pretty fast. I just can’t imagine how hard he must have been hit.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by princetonbaby

The fact this his skin his back to its normal color in every area aside from a small tiny spot tells me this likely wasn't a bruise. So, not to be dismissive of the concern of this community, but if it wasn't a bruise I am not going to assign that kind of blame to my sibling or my nieces and nephews and I actually DO want to know what exactly happened.

This is a weird stance to take, because if it was a RASH and NOT a bruise then it is important to know that the vet didn't know what he was talking about and THAT MATTERS

and to know that my puppy could be allergic to something or have been having a bad reaction to a bug bite. Remember in my initial post I mentioned seeing an area that looked like flea dirt and a bump in the same general area and the vet didn't investigate this at all. All of these factors are important. Pics on how his chest looks basically normal now are in the next post.

Bruises do not completely clear up in 3 days. Bruises tend to be tender. This looked like an angry red rash to the naked eye and I will not "forget" the vet or "forget" about trying to figure out what happened because it could happen again.

That’s not true. Mine bruises almost always when they take blood and it’s always gone after a few days never tender and looks just like what you showed.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by princetonbaby

You seem to be the only one upset while everyone else is offering concern and suggestions. You think someone beat my baby or something and I simply don't. Trust me if I did I would probably be in cuffs right now, thanks.

I take a 5 and a 3 year old saying that a 1 year old hit the puppy with a toy with a healthy dose of skepticism, I know how their little brains work and I know my nieces and nephews. These aren't kids who I see on holidays and birthdays. I see all 10 of my nieces and nephews several times a week, every week. The 1 year old is always flinging something - which we definitely have to be vigilant about until he learns "gentle" etc. The 10 year old didn't say this or see this happen so no, i do not know that SOMETHING happened because I am still concerned this could be a rash.

and deciding it is simply just one thing is irresponsible as a pet owner and as a human begin. Many things can be true and its my job to try to figure out what that could possibly be with investigating, monitoring and researching. So that we can avoid or be prepared if it happens again. Jumping to conclusions is not and never has been my style.

No she’s not I’m upset about it to. I know it’s bruise not a rash. I have a dog with bad allergies and we have been through rash after rash after rash. She has also had multiple bruises from blood work which we do multiple times a year and a bladder thing. That was a bruise and it scares me to think what caused it because a harness really can’t unless your picking the dog up and swinging him by the leash. We just don’t want you to put your poor pup in that situation again where he could get even more hurt.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by princetonbaby

yes because bruises magically go away in 2 days and aren't tender. You do science so well. angry lady. and IF it WASN'T A BRUISE and he has a reaction like this again, do I get to just sit idly by and "forget" it because what I see doesn't matter?

You sound insane. What if it was a food allergy (my sis in law said he got a hold of something the kids were eating)? What if it was a bug bite? None of that matters because you have single-handedly decided it is one thing.

You also don't have very good reading comprehension because words I choose like IF matter. It means more than one answer could be possible here and it's important to not jump to conclusions.

I would HATE to have YOU on a jury panel, lady. Please stop replying to my posts now.

Name calling is not ok. Linda has A LOT of experience with Yorkies especially ones that have been hurt. I agree with her 100%. Food allergies are rare and that’s not what it looks like when they have a reaction. My dog has allergies.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by princetonbaby

Also thanks for all the private notes <3 truly appreciate it.

I try not to project personal feelings of things I have seen in my life into my decision making of things that are happening in front of me. Its important that we are careful to make sound decisions, not just emotional ones. If I would have flown off the handle emotionally I could have caused a problem that needed not exist. I also wouldn't presume to be right about something that I am only reading about and not witnessing in real time. It's good to be a listener and to be kind to one another.

We come to this forum for community and understanding, not to be attacked.
Have a great weekend, all!

You do realize you attacked Linda she didn’t attack you. You are the one that called her names not the other way around. I get you don’t want to hear that more then likely your baby was hurt but all signs point to that. I’m sure it’s a hard realization but please don’t take it out on very knowledgeable people who have been there before.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by princetonbaby

Also thanks for all the private notes <3 truly appreciate it.

I try not to project personal feelings of things I have seen in my life into my decision making of things that are happening in front of me. Its important that we are careful to make sound decisions, not just emotional ones. If I would have flown off the handle emotionally I could have caused a problem that needed not exist. I also wouldn't presume to be right about something that I am only reading about and not witnessing in real time. It's good to be a listener and to be kind to one another.

We come to this forum for community and understanding, not to be attacked.

Have a great weekend, all!

There is only 1 post in this whole thread where there is an actual attack on another person - and it was written by YOU.

[Shicks]

Ok folks. I'm not a doctor or vet, but in my 62 years of raising kids & pets, the last picture with the smaller mark does look to me as if there was some blunt trauma. All the redness was from blood going to the injured site to heal.
Please be very careful with this baby. He's a sweet soul that can't take care of himself. Enough said!!

[Lolasmom1211]

Gosh, I've just read this whole thread and can't imagine how it went from one end of the spectrum to the other with absolutely no change in any of the facts! First of all, I don't think anyone can argue the fact that this was a bruise. Of course it was! To say that maybe it was caused by either one or the other of the kids "tugging" at the leash is horrifying to me, but then to hear the poor pup was also hit with a toy by an almost one-yr-old absolutely makes me ill. Stating this pup was 10 lbs rather than 5 lbs, makes it no better. 10 lbs is still a tiny little thing! What set of facts does one need to believe something traumatic did indeed happen to this poor little guy??? Also, if in fact, neither of those particular events did cause the bruising, are those not reasons enough to keep this poor pup protected from these kids anyway? My goodness, what would it take to make someone realize maybe leaving him with them was not such a great idea? If I knew kids were going to "tug" at my pups or hit them with toys, accidentally or not, I would feel a certain obligation and duty to my babies to protect them from such actions. Am I missing something here??? To the OP, I'm glad your little guy healed quickly, but that is certainly no reason to excuse the behavior or let it happen again.