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03-29-2016, 09:41 PM | #1 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Deltona, Fl. USA
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| My Yorkie has bacteria infection that won't go away. SIBO Hi, I have lurked for the last couple months trying to find someone who might be have had a similar experience, thought I would finally just join and post. My yorkie Jake is 4 years old, I rescued him from a shelter 4 months ago. About a month after I got him, he started having a cough. At first I thought it was kennel cough or tracheal, then he has bloody diarrhea and I took him to the vet. They gave him fluids and blood work and sent me home with Flagyl and FortiFlora and Science Diet ID and half a Pepsid at night. He seemed to immediately get better, the cough went away and his poop firmed up. Great right, well about 2 weeks after his last Flagyl, he started having symptoms again. Back to the vet, went and got him a sonogram. Everything came back normal. More Flagyl, same deal and he got better. Once again after he gets off Flagyl, he starts having loose stools, blood, gagging cough, stomach gurgling noises. I contacted his shelter to ask them about what he was being fed, because I initially blamed the Blue Buffalo I gave him, so they told me they gave him a grain free food from Wallmart and that his previous family gave him Iams, so I went and bought Iams and at first his poop firmed up a little from the Science Diet, so I though that might be it, but then the mucus and blood came. Called my Vet, she was out of town, so an older vet that is there read Jake's file and said its not the food, that he has a lot of bacteria in his small intestines. She acted like it was fairly common and put him on Flagyl again, said this would probably be the final round he needs to solve the problem. So I guess my question is, anyone have a clue what's going on here? I want to get him on Nature's Balance, which is what my Maltese eats, but I'm back on the Science Diet rn cos I read chicken was inflammatory and the Iams had chicken in it. Also I'm just worried about all this Flagyl killing the good flora in his gut. Of coarse I realize he needs it to kill the bad Bacteria but I don't know what gave or what is giving him bad bacteria? Any suggestions? |
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03-30-2016, 12:43 AM | #2 |
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| I'm sorry your little one is going through this. I don't have any answers, but hopefully someone with more knowledge can help you. Glad to see you are working with a vet.
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03-30-2016, 04:34 AM | #3 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | I would put him on some sort of grain free kibble, perhaps for sensitive stomachs. Has IBD/IBS been discussed at all?
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03-30-2016, 01:12 PM | #4 |
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03-30-2016, 01:18 PM | #5 | |
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I was giving him Iams naturals chicken and peas, and his previous shelter gave him grain free. Yet the last Vet I talked to, said it wasn't the food. I don't want to have to put him on prednisone either, but I guess I won't have a choice if the antibiotics don't work. (Btw, on my first post, I mean Natural Balance not Nature's) | |
03-30-2016, 03:53 PM | #6 |
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| My first thought was IBS/IBD as well. Some vets will treat 'as if' with a trial of meds, and not all dogs get a colonoscopy but still get treated. Metronidazole is one common treatment for IBS/IBD, and it sounds like that's working for your dog. I've heard of dogs staying on low dose metro long term to treat the disease. My dog first went on a chicken and sweet potato diet after he was diagnosed but it did not work well at all for him. He can't handle chicken. We decided to try a novel protein that he had not had before and tried a few before we found that lamb worked well for him. Its not typically a diet that works, but my little guy is thriving on Primal frozen lamb patties. More than a bite of anything else is likely to cause his tummy to flare up, but as long as we stick to the lamb he's fine. When he does occasionally flare we use budesonide. Metronidazole didn't work for him. Diana |
03-30-2016, 04:13 PM | #7 | |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Deltona, Fl. USA
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Thanks, I was planning on getting the Lamb & brown rice Natural Balance and the Venison and Sweet Potato. I figured one might work. Did you transition him with the Primal while he was on medication? I'm wondering if I should start mixing in the new kibble with his Science Diet while he's on the Metro or wait till he's off. In so scared that if I wait, the food change will just throw him into another flare. | |
03-31-2016, 03:33 AM | #8 | |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Deltona, Fl. USA
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Thanks for your reply btw. I was planning to get him lamb & rice Natural Balance kibble along with the Venison & sweet potato. Hoping that one of those will work. Can I ask if you transitioned his food when he was on medication? I'm wondering if I should do that, transition him to kibble from the Science Diet wet food while he's on the Flagyl or should I wait? I'm worried if I wait and then he ends up going back into a flair, I'll be right back to where I started. | |
03-31-2016, 05:54 AM | #9 | |
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We also had him on metronidazole for a few weeks with no improvement. He vomited everything he ate and he wouldn't eat much. He also had constant diarrhea and was losing weight. Our vet decided to give him a shot of dexamethasone and within two hours he wanted to eat. The shot lasted five days, then we were back to square one with him refusing to eat. Two days later, she gave him another shot, and he immediately started eating again. Five more days, and he stopped eating again. During this time, he had a lot of lab work done and finally a biopsy. About that time, the biopsy results came back and our vet decided to try Budesonide. We had to order that from the compounding pharmacy, so he got one more shot (three altogether) of dexamethasone, and we started Budesonide before the last shot wore off, and we saw immediate improvement. About that time, we also started transitioning him to lamb. His diarrhea never resolved until he was eating lamb and on budesonide, but then it was almost instant. We had him on budesonide about three months altogether and very slowly weaned him off of it. That was in October, and he has done really well since then, with only one little flare which resolved quickly with one week of Budesonide. I am a fanatic about his diet. He ONLY gets primal frozen lamb patties and a measured amount twice daily. I also buy fresh lamb and dehydrate it myself for his treats. And he gets one small Tropiclean dental cleaning chew at bedtime every night. Nothing else. And literally a bite of anything else will start the diarrhea back up again. Recently I tried the Primal dehydrated lamb that you add water to and even that gave him diarrhea. That was the one flare up he had since stabilizing in October. Hope this helps. Diana | |
04-01-2016, 04:33 AM | #10 | |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Deltona, Fl. USA
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Wow poor baby, Glad you finally found what works for him. I'm still hopeful that this round of Flagy and the change of food will work but if it doesn't I will bring up the Budesonide to my vet. Everything is going fine right now, he has 7 days more of antibiotics, this morning I gave him his Setinal with the coating rubbed off per my Vet's instructions, last time he had diarrhea after he took his Setinal but he wasn't on the Flagyl then, so now we wait and pray. Thank you for all your advice Diana. | |
04-28-2016, 05:32 PM | #11 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Deltona, Fl. USA
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| I just want to update here in case anyone ever goes through this, maybe they will google and find themselves here. That's how I found this forum. Maybe they can learn from my experience. This morning I gave Jake a packet of Fortiflora on his Royal Canin for breakfast. He had a bad day, 3 poop accidents in the house and after dinner tonight he went outside and had loose poops with a few drops of blood at the end. He also had the coughing hacking up acid reflux, I took a quarter of Pepsid and put it in a science diet little meatball and he is quiet now resting. I'm calling my vet in the morning, something is not right and they are missing something. The Royal Canin, I feel, is not working for him. Tomorrow morning I will give him Science Diet ID to calm his tummy, and go from there. I will update tomorrow when I find out what my vet says. |
04-29-2016, 03:27 AM | #12 | |
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If there is reflux, I'd be giving the pepcid every day - and very possibly 2x per day, like I have to w/ our chi. And sometimes you do have to up the dose for some babies.
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04-29-2016, 12:46 PM | #13 |
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| How was SIBO diagnosed? What tests were done?
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04-29-2016, 05:36 PM | #14 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Deltona, Fl. USA
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| So today he went to the vet and we are trying sulfasalazine 3x a day along with the Flagyl still 2x a day. This morning I gave him a quarter Pepsid in a Royal Canin little meatball and he wouldn't stop retching so I gave him a little Hills ID in his bowl and that settled him down, he was fine after that. So when I went to my vet, I told him how I felt about the RC. I really feel he is allergic to something in it, maybe I'm wrong but he had a lot of accident on it. My vet read the back of both ingredients and essentially said they are the same but that Hills ID had a slightly higher fat content. I think that RC had more ingredients, there's plenty of probiotics in it, and if I put the Fortiflora in it there was a fight possible going on between that and the Flagyl. My vet said we are going to go slow and in steps. First we try the sulfa drug, if there's no improvement in 2 weeks, he's going to suggest home cooking beans and rice made into a mash for 2 weeks, if he's not getting better, he's going to send him to Associates which is bad news cos that means he might have something terminal. But he said not to even think about that now, to let's try the sulfa and ID food with the Flagyl. Jake had his first sulfasalazine pill tonight with dinner and had no side effects or allergic reactions thank God, then when I took him out he pooped a pretty formed brown poop with a little blood trace in it. I was so happy just to see a formed poop of normal brown color, I was ecstatic! Then just now I was playing with him and my Maltipoo and he ran onto the puppy pads and had soft poop again, I took him out and he had a few drops of diarrhea. That was probably my fault for playing too much and he drank lots of water so now we are just relaxing. I have to just keep being hopeful, I truly believe this is an allergy caused colitis that was triggered by the stress of the shelter & coming to a new home. When I first got him, my maltipoo went after him. I was totally shocked but it resolved itself in a week and now my maltipoo is very gentle with him, but the first week was traumatic and could have caused him to flare. |
04-29-2016, 05:43 PM | #15 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Deltona, Fl. USA
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| A complete blood panel was done, also he had an ultrasound of the abdomen and he even had a stress test. He was given a stress test due to the fact that he had a low heart rate for what the vet said was a usual stressful event(being at the vets) but it came back normal. Then today, he checked his heart and it was low again, which is worrying me, but I have to put it out of my head because my vet didn't seem to think it was scary enough to send him to Associates so I guess he's just chill when he goes to the vet. I don't want to take myself there or anywhere that is doomsday scenario right now. He's only 4 and I love him so much. |
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