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Old 08-06-2015, 06:46 AM   #1
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As I posted yesterday, I was very nervous about taking Elliot to the vet's to be spayed today. I didn't sleep last night because I was so nervous.

I just left the vet's office. Elliot is not going to be spayed today. While doing the pre-check, the vet found that Elliot has an arrhythmia. He took Elliot to another vet at the office to get a second opinion and the second vet concurred. My vet thought that it would be prudent to not put Elliot under anesthesia today and spay her until after she is seen by a cardiologist and some testing was done. It had never been heard before at any of her other visits.

I am so very upset about my baby. Sitting here at the office in tears. I am glad that the arrhythmia was heard before surgery in case there was a chance that my Elliot might die during surgery. The office called the vet hospital for an appointment with a cardiologist and there is a wait list of 40 people! They suggested I call Cornell University for an appointment with a cardiologist there which I did. They are currently booked through November. I will wait until then.

The good thing is that Elliot at the moment doesn't have any other symptoms that would make it an emergent matter. I am to keep an eye on her for other developing symptoms. She was happy to be able to go home to eat

I searched the Yorkie forum for other threads on arrhythmia and found Lynzy420's thread about her puppy. I also googled it when I got to work. I am hoping that Elliot's arrhythmia turns out to be benign but my vet was really concerned after hearing and listening to her heart. He has been a vet a long time and said he was very reluctant to put her under anesthesia without her being seen by a cardiologist and tested. It made me very nervous and anxious. Just wondering if anyone else has any suggestions or comments on arrhythmia.
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Thank goodness this was discovered before surgery, so sorry your pup has been diagnosed with arrhythmia, cardiologist is the best thing to do. Sorry I have no advise, no experience on this issue.
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As I posted yesterday, I was very nervous about taking Elliot to the vet's to be spayed today. I didn't sleep last night because I was so nervous.

I just left the vet's office. Elliot is not going to be spayed today. While doing the pre-check, the vet found that Elliot has an arrhythmia. He took Elliot to another vet at the office to get a second opinion and the second vet concurred. My vet thought that it would be prudent to not put Elliot under anesthesia today and spay her until after she is seen by a cardiologist and some testing was done. It had never been heard before at any of her other visits.

I am so very upset about my baby. Sitting here at the office in tears. I am glad that the arrhythmia was heard before surgery in case there was a chance that my Elliot might die during surgery. The office called the vet hospital for an appointment with a cardiologist and there is a wait list of 40 people! They suggested I call Cornell University for an appointment with a cardiologist there which I did. They are currently booked through November. I will wait until then.

The good thing is that Elliot at the moment doesn't have any other symptoms that would make it an emergent matter. I am to keep an eye on her for other developing symptoms. She was happy to be able to go home to eat

I searched the Yorkie forum for other threads on arrhythmia and found Lynzy420's thread about her puppy. I also googled it when I got to work. I am hoping that Elliot's arrhythmia turns out to be benign but my vet was really concerned after hearing and listening to her heart. He has been a vet a long time and said he was very reluctant to put her under anesthesia without her being seen by a cardiologist and tested. It made me very nervous and anxious. Just wondering if anyone else has any suggestions or comments on arrhythmia.


Well it is good that it was found but Elliott is what 6mths old or more> Why wasn't it caught on one of his physicals? ie previous vet examinations? My gal at 7+ wks old had a soft murmur (which is not an arrhythmia - but still an issue with the heart. She is okay now as young pups often grow out of a soft slight murmur when they are quite young.


If you can, put yourself on a wait list - to take what-ever cancellation might arise earlier than November. Is Elliot a male or female pup? If female she might go into heat and you need to know the signs n symptoms of this and be very alert for them these upcoming months.


I would treat her in the interim quite normally but just careful of intense exercise (especially in hot weather). It is always a good idea to know dog cpr and ar. I think we have a thread on here with links to information on those topics. The vet also should have told you what signs n symptoms are of concern with respect to a worsening heart condition.


My thoughts n prayers go out to you and Elliott that this is something benign and reversible.
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What kind of arrhythmia was mentioned...they should have been able to tell you this...? Many juveniles outgrow any puppy arrhythmia, and/or it turns out to be nothing. So hang in there, and try not to worry too much.
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I'm very sorry for your little girl's scary diagnosis, but as other's have said, it may correct itself. I realize it's a bit far, but my dear friend's King Cavalier Charles Spaniel was treated by Dr. Wey in Latham for a very serious heart condition. Abby was in congestive heart failure, and she lived almost two years rather than the couple months she was given. That breed is plagued with heart issues. if waiting would be really difficult for you, it might be worth a drive for peace of mind. I will pray for both of you.

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Well it is good that it was found but Elliott is what 6mths old or more> Why wasn't it caught on one of his physicals? ie previous vet examinations? My gal at 7+ wks old had a soft murmur (which is not an arrhythmia - but still an issue with the heart. She is okay now as young pups often grow out of a soft slight murmur when they are quite young.


If you can, put yourself on a wait list - to take what-ever cancellation might arise earlier than November. Is Elliot a male or female pup? If female she might go into heat and you need to know the signs n symptoms of this and be very alert for them these upcoming months.


I would treat her in the interim quite normally but just careful of intense exercise (especially in hot weather). It is always a good idea to know dog cpr and ar. I think we have a thread on here with links to information on those topics. The vet also should have told you what signs n symptoms are of concern with respect to a worsening heart condition.


My thoughts n prayers go out to you and Elliott that this is something benign and reversible.

Elliot is a female who is 8 months old. I wanted to get her spayed because I am sure she will be going into heat shortly. I don't know why it was never caught on one of her other vet visits. She has been to 2 different vet practices and has seen 4 different vets in the past 8 months. In fact, the second vet to listen to her heart today has seen her before and he said that when he previously saw her that he hadn't detected any irregular heartbeats but definitely did so today. I think the vet said that it was an extra heartbeat that skipped every couple of heartbeats. By this point in the office, I was very upset. I will call the vet's office back to see if he did put in the chart what type he thought it was. In the research I did when I got into my office, none of the ones I saw online, i.e. sinus, puppy, etc., were mentioned by the vet. The vet did tell me to watch out for excessive panting, coughing, lethargy.

I had the office put me on the wait list at the veterinary hospital and also took the appointment in November at Cornell University.

I am so upset over my baby. I was so nervous over her getting spayed today that I almost feel like I brought this on her even though I know that isn't possible. I love my other dog and puppy very much but Elliot holds a special place in my heart because the minute I saw her, her eyes called out to me.
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I'm very sorry for your little girl's scary diagnosis, but as other's have said, it may correct itself. I realize it's a bit far, but my dear friend's King Cavalier Charles Spaniel was treated by Dr. Wey in Latham for a very serious heart condition. Abby was in congestive heart failure, and she lived almost two years rather than the couple months she was given. That breed is plagued with heart issues. if waiting would be really difficult for you, it might be worth a drive for peace of mind. I will pray for both of you.

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Thank you for the name of this doctor. Latham is about 3 hours from me so it is about twice the drive that Cornell is but if she could be seen and tested before November it would make me feel better. I will look him up on the internet and call their office.
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I am so glad these vets did not operate on precious elliot. You had a feeling it was not good to spay and oh what could have happened. Seek the help and then you can rest assured elliot is in good health. Prayer for that health problem to be taken care og.
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I know this must be a scary time for you but I just wanted to say that arrhythmias can be caused by many simple things such as hormones, diet, electrolytes, etc all of which are easily corrected. My moms dog had a arrhythmia that was discovered at her 1 year check up at the vet and it was discovered to be simply from poor nutrition (moms first little dog and was feeding a poor quality food). Maybe you could request a few simple blood tests from your vet.....just a thought.
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Thanks goodness your vet caught this! kudos to him/her!
Some people live with arrhythmias their whole lives without much problem, so I would suppose pups can too. No question I would head for a board certified cardiologist!!!!!!!!
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Please try to remain calm....arrhythemias in young dogs are not uncommon....almost a "normal abnormality".....skipped beats are not an unmitigated death sentence....it scares the daylights out of you, but it may actually be nothing out of the parameter of norm! It scares you to death, but just have a professional/specialist assess the condition and then if it needs further addressing, regroup your thoughts, take a deep breath and step forward in that direction!

Next.....contact the breeder you got your baby from. Reputable breeders will step up and cover this within the realm of (minimum) a year health guarantee.....if there is a condition that warrants concern, the breeder should be covering the costs of diagnosing and treating the issue....and/or refunding partial cost of the pup.....unless you would want to return the pup for a full refund, which most people dont! Regardless, if this is a heart condition, the breeder needs to know about it....she needs to review what she did, week by week, of the moms pregnancy, if meds were given, anything that could have affected the developing pup....and she needs to be watching the breeding pair.....separately, they may be fine breeders, but when bred to each other, one of those billions of genes from each of those breeders, combined and "poof", got a problem! Breeder needs to know about this in case it turns out to be something that needs addressing!

Please keep us informed of what happens!

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November!? That's a far way off. I would tell you to go up to Boston...we see cardiology at Angell but it's a four hour drive for you and may be too far. They have a new location now in Waltham, MA in addition to their Boston hospital. They also have 3 FT cardiologists in the main hospital and one in Waltham. If Boston is doable, I think you should call and explain the situation to the client liaison and they may be able to get you in sooner. At least you could have the work up done and they could handle her spay even if she is high risk. Good luck.
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November!? That's a far way off. I would tell you to go up to Boston...we see cardiology at Angell but it's a four hour drive for you and may be too far. They have a new location now in Waltham, MA in addition to their Boston hospital. They also have 3 FT cardiologists in the main hospital and one in Waltham. If Boston is doable, I think you should call and explain the situation to the client liaison and they may be able to get you in sooner. At least you could have the work up done and they could handle her spay even if she is high risk. Good luck.
Thanks for the suggestion but Boston is 5 hours from me and that is too far for me to drive. I thought waiting until November was a long time also but then I stopped to think that most people, including myself, have to usually wait three months to see a specialist here in Syracuse. What I didn't understand is why there are not any cardiologists for dogs here in Syracuse. We aren't that small of a city. I have one more place I am going to call today to see if they have any suggestions.
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Please try to remain calm....arrhythemias in young dogs are not uncommon....almost a "normal abnormality".....skipped beats are not an unmitigated death sentence....it scares the daylights out of you, but it may actually be nothing out of the parameter of norm! It scares you to death, but just have a professional/specialist assess the condition and then if it needs further addressing, regroup your thoughts, take a deep breath and step forward in that direction!

Next.....contact the breeder you got your baby from. Reputable breeders will step up and cover this within the realm of (minimum) a year health guarantee.....if there is a condition that warrants concern, the breeder should be covering the costs of diagnosing and treating the issue....and/or refunding partial cost of the pup.....unless you would want to return the pup for a full refund, which most people dont! Regardless, if this is a heart condition, the breeder needs to know about it....she needs to review what she did, week by week, of the moms pregnancy, if meds were given, anything that could have affected the developing pup....and she needs to be watching the breeding pair.....separately, they may be fine breeders, but when bred to each other, one of those billions of genes from each of those breeders, combined and "poof", got a problem! Breeder needs to know about this in case it turns out to be something that needs addressing!

Please keep us informed of what happens!
I am going to look at my health warranty tonight and contact the breeder. I asked the vet if they thought Elliot had been born with it and they said they couldn't say that because it hadn't been heard at any of her other appointments. They also said that arrhythmias can be caused by various things.
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arrhythmia's many times are benign..professionals are trained to triage more serious types. The appointment given fits the situation. If any symptoms develop there will be more urgency..just keep in touch with them. They know its scary and they wouldn't put off something that 'needs' to be seen right away. This is totally precautionary.
BTW: arrhythmia's can come and go intermittently so your vet did not "miss" anything in earlier visits
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