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barfooj · 10-19-2014, 05:53 AM

Hi, I am a new member of this site and am wanting some advice from other Yorkie owners. My Maxi is 8 years old (male) and started to have recurrent bladder infections around November 2013. He was treated with antibiotics that worked but within 3 weeks of finishing antibiotics, the symptoms e.g. bed wetting, dripping urine and difficulties when urinating, started again. We extended length of antibiotics but nothing worked. We had to have scans etc and the vet said it was a tumour and they would have to look at his bladder to take a biopsy. We were devastated and only agreed as the vet said that without treatment he would only have 3 months left. After the operation and being neutered, after a month, the incontinence and infection stopped, however the biopsy took several weeks to come back as the vet stated they disagreed with results so they sent it back for a further look. The diagnosis was polypoid cystitis not cancer. We were very relieved but very angry with the vet. The vet said the bladder is very badly infected and the 'tumour' they saw was ' infected skin'! Anyway, they wanted to refer to a specialist for further investigations but we asked to keep him on long term antibiotics as he was well and back to normal. They stopped antibiotics after 6 weeks but within days he wet his bed and was drinking excessively and urinating 'rivers'. Vets took bloods and urine samples but nothing showed up. They agreed to keep him on antibiotics for a further 3 months. They have no idea what is causing the excessive drinking and have checked for diabetes. Now he is back on antibiotics, the drinking has halved but we have to watch what he drinks as he will drink as much as we give him. My questions are, has anyone experienced this before and also what is the usual amount that a Yorkie should drink?

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ranger5598 · 10-19-2014, 08:16 AM

Ok i have a massive amount of expierence in UTI,s, constant antibiotic use will only make the infection more tolerant and soon immune to them. The he will be given last chance antibiotics, these are meds that are semi - harshly toxic, but again if they work, he will have to remain antibiotic free for a long while. Till his immune system can repair itself, during this time if an infection occurs its a crapshoot on whether he will survive. Most PPL forget UTI's can and do kill. Two things that are done in both humans and farm Animals is to make the urine as acidic as possible, hence cranberry juice etc. The other is to accelerate their system by giving liquids that cause accelerated urination. In humans coffee or beer but there our much better options and most health food stores can guide u, maybe ask ur vet, plz do not use the items listed they were for human understanding, not puppies...i can do some research and ask family members who work in the medical field also. Let me know.....shawn

PS..i hope maxi feels better soon.

barfooj · 10-19-2014, 10:16 AM

Thanks for that! I suppose it makes sense that long term antibiotics will eventually make him immune. I will check with the vet and see if there is any other homeopathic remedies they suggest. It is difficult to think that he is unwell as he looks so healthy. The symptoms only recur when he is off antibiotics. The vet mentioned 'an underlying cancer that causes problems but does not develop quickly'. Not sure what to think about that as the biopsy didn't suggest this! We don't want to put him through another operation as we aren't sure what they can do, as his whole bladder is affected by the polypoid cystitis and obviously they can't take it out! I would appreciate it if you could find any further information.

ranger5598 · 10-19-2014, 11:27 AM

In my experience, and i deal with infectious disease specialists quite frequently, and this is a complete opinion, but i physically witnessed a man get told his family needed to make arrangements, he had been put on vankamyecin, amikacin (*spelling, both last resort hail mary antibiotics,) in a panic his family ordered Oil of Oregano pills from asia. In 3 days he was completely turned around, while the docs cant prescribe such stuff, the korean infection doc is the one who made mention of it to the family, he had MRSA, multi drug resistant asoudamonous, and 2 seperate kinds of staff infection between his wound and urinary tract. I recommended it to my pop 2 years ago when as a firefighter he came into contact with mrsa and a wound opened on his shoulder, both times full recovery, and once on a horse for infection from rain rot. Im not sure on dogs, but i do know in china etc they use this on animals regularly, and id also take Maxi to a 2nd vet, make sure, i know a vet tried to convince the lady whose horse had rain rot and infection it needed put down, 2 weeks later new hair growth and a happy baby (her 11 yr old daughter, twas her yearling horse!!) and owner. 20 bucks and the horse was saved, the vet charged almost 400, wanted 1850 for putting the animal down and disposal... my daughter is going to be a geneticist and also minor in becoming a vet also. Plus im extremely well educated in the biology field, tho it was many years ago when bio-engineering was a new field, but id definately look up Oil of Oregano, ppl are weird about a spagetti herb being considered medicine, but its still used in many cultures in some cases with more success than modern medicine. Im waiting on a call from an associate who i hope can give me more intel and directions for you to explore. Let me know if i can help.....shawn

gemy · 10-19-2014, 11:50 AM

Second opinion is definitely warranted, and that by an internal medicine specialist.

And that to get a confirmation of an official diagnosis.

Having said that, and once you have the diagnosis, alternative remedies might prove more effective in the long run for a chronic non surgical condition that proves resistant to traditional Western medicine. How-ever the link below does talk about corrective surgery for cystitis polypoid.

problem.Polypoid Cystitis in Dogs | eHow

Please let us know how you and your dog are doing, and seriously consider getting a second opinion from a specialist.

barfooj · 10-19-2014, 01:03 PM

Thanks Shawn for your recommendation of oil of oregano, will definitely look into this further. Thanks Gemy for the article, I think that we will have him referred to the specialist and then consider what happens next. We were trying to avoid further surgery as it is heartbreaking when you can't tell them what is happening!

barfooj · 10-19-2014, 01:17 PM

Thanks Shawn for your recommendation of oil of oregano, will definitely look into this further. Thanks Gemy for the article, I think that we will have him referred to the specialist and then consider what happens next. We were trying to avoid further surgery as it is heartbreaking when you can't tell them what is happening!

ranger5598 · 10-22-2014, 02:44 AM

G'Mornin barfooj, i wanted to check on maxi..is he feeling any better??

Doodlebug · 10-22-2014, 04:05 AM

I hope your Maxi is better soon.

barfooj · 10-22-2014, 09:26 AM

Hi Shawn, Maxi is currently very well

and is trying to get me to stroke him as I write this! We have asked the vet to refer us to specialist and see what they say. Oil of Oregano has been ordered. The vet would not recommend it but agreed that he could become immune to antibiotics.

Thanks Doodlebug

107barney · 10-22-2014, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barfooj

Hi, I am a new member of this site and am wanting some advice from other Yorkie owners. My Maxi is 8 years old (male) and started to have recurrent bladder infections around November 2013. He was treated with antibiotics that worked but within 3 weeks of finishing antibiotics, the symptoms e.g. bed wetting, dripping urine and difficulties when urinating, started again. We extended length of antibiotics but nothing worked. We had to have scans etc and the vet said it was a tumour and they would have to look at his bladder to take a biopsy. We were devastated and only agreed as the vet said that without treatment he would only have 3 months left. After the operation and being neutered, after a month, the incontinence and infection stopped, however the biopsy took several weeks to come back as the vet stated they disagreed with results so they sent it back for a further look. The diagnosis was polypoid cystitis not cancer. We were very relieved but very angry with the vet. The vet said the bladder is very badly infected and the 'tumour' they saw was ' infected skin'! Anyway, they wanted to refer to a specialist for further investigations but we asked to keep him on long term antibiotics as he was well and back to normal. They stopped antibiotics after 6 weeks but within days he wet his bed and was drinking excessively and urinating 'rivers'. Vets took bloods and urine samples but nothing showed up. They agreed to keep him on antibiotics for a further 3 months. They have no idea what is causing the excessive drinking and have checked for diabetes. Now he is back on antibiotics, the drinking has halved but we have to watch what he drinks as he will drink as much as we give him. My questions are, has anyone experienced this before and also what is the usual amount that a Yorkie should drink?

l

This is definitely a case for an internal medicine specialist. You can look at the ACVIM directory online and find an ACVIM (internal medicine) diplomat in your area. Best wishes.

JuliannaB · 10-22-2014, 01:44 PM

I don't have any experience in dogs with excessive thirst, but do with my son. He was constantly drinking water; even from puddles outside!!

I was horrified and looked for an answer to his problem. To make a long story short, he was diagnosed with NDI, Nephrogenic Diabetes Insipidus, at the age of 2. He dehydrates 4X faster than the average human! It occurs in only 1 in 250,000 human babies! He was such a sight to see whenever we had him in the hospital and doctors would come to see him for real. It is genetic mutation, as a geneticist found out through his dna. Turns out it happened at conception. I am aware that dogs do get this as well. Not sure if this at all helps you with your furrbaby, but thought to post it anyways. There are a lot of people in the USA that have this. There is a website for it - look up NDI and you should find it. Just fyi - it is not life threatening to my son, so his life goes on. He just drinks A LOT of water and should pay close attention to his sodium intake. He is 21 so, as most youngesters, thinks he knows better and doesn't do this. His body has adapted to the large amounts of water he drinks daily and he has a large bladder. If I should have a fire in my house, he will be the first I'll call to help put it out. HAHA!! All joking aside, sending positive thoughts your way in getting to the bottom of what's happening to your Max.

JuliannaB · 10-22-2014, 01:46 PM

The crooked smiley face was to be in the body of the text, not the title. Apologies.

10-19-2014, 05:53 AM	#1
barfooj YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: middlesbrough Posts: 5	Help with urine infection please! Hi, I am a new member of this site and am wanting some advice from other Yorkie owners. My Maxi is 8 years old (male) and started to have recurrent bladder infections around November 2013. He was treated with antibiotics that worked but within 3 weeks of finishing antibiotics, the symptoms e.g. bed wetting, dripping urine and difficulties when urinating, started again. We extended length of antibiotics but nothing worked. We had to have scans etc and the vet said it was a tumour and they would have to look at his bladder to take a biopsy. We were devastated and only agreed as the vet said that without treatment he would only have 3 months left. After the operation and being neutered, after a month, the incontinence and infection stopped, however the biopsy took several weeks to come back as the vet stated they disagreed with results so they sent it back for a further look. The diagnosis was polypoid cystitis not cancer. We were very relieved but very angry with the vet. The vet said the bladder is very badly infected and the 'tumour' they saw was ' infected skin'! Anyway, they wanted to refer to a specialist for further investigations but we asked to keep him on long term antibiotics as he was well and back to normal. They stopped antibiotics after 6 weeks but within days he wet his bed and was drinking excessively and urinating 'rivers'. Vets took bloods and urine samples but nothing showed up. They agreed to keep him on antibiotics for a further 3 months. They have no idea what is causing the excessive drinking and have checked for diabetes. Now he is back on antibiotics, the drinking has halved but we have to watch what he drinks as he will drink as much as we give him. My questions are, has anyone experienced this before and also what is the usual amount that a Yorkie should drink? l

10-19-2014, 11:50 AM	#5
gemy YT 2000 Club Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Huntsville,Ont,Canaada Posts: 12,335 Blog Entries: 2	Second opinion is definitely warranted, and that by an internal medicine specialist. And that to get a confirmation of an official diagnosis. Having said that, and once you have the diagnosis, alternative remedies might prove more effective in the long run for a chronic non surgical condition that proves resistant to traditional Western medicine. How-ever the link below does talk about corrective surgery for cystitis polypoid. problem.Polypoid Cystitis in Dogs \| eHow Please let us know how you and your dog are doing, and seriously consider getting a second opinion from a specialist. __________________ Razzle and Dara. Our clan. RIP Karma Dec 24th 2004-July 14 2013 RIP Zoey Jun9 th 2008-May 12 2012. RIP Magic,Mar 26 2006July 1st 2018

10-22-2014, 04:05 AM	#9
Doodlebug ♥Love My Puppies!♥ Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: US Posts: 5,786	I hope your Maxi is better soon. __________________ RIP My Sweet Darling Angel Daisy 08/09/03 - 10/02/15, RIP My Sweet Baby Boy Teddy Bear 02/01/04 - 02/11/16 Photos HERE

10-22-2014, 01:46 PM	#13
JuliannaB YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: canada Posts: 782	Ooops! The crooked smiley face was to be in the body of the text, not the title. Apologies.

10-19-2014, 08:16 AM	#2
ranger5598 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: pomaria, SC Posts: 49	Ok i have a massive amount of expierence in UTI,s, constant antibiotic use will only make the infection more tolerant and soon immune to them. The he will be given last chance antibiotics, these are meds that are semi - harshly toxic, but again if they work, he will have to remain antibiotic free for a long while. Till his immune system can repair itself, during this time if an infection occurs its a crapshoot on whether he will survive. Most PPL forget UTI's can and do kill. Two things that are done in both humans and farm Animals is to make the urine as acidic as possible, hence cranberry juice etc. The other is to accelerate their system by giving liquids that cause accelerated urination. In humans coffee or beer but there our much better options and most health food stores can guide u, maybe ask ur vet, plz do not use the items listed they were for human understanding, not puppies...i can do some research and ask family members who work in the medical field also. Let me know.....shawn PS..i hope maxi feels better soon.

10-19-2014, 10:16 AM	#3
barfooj YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: middlesbrough Posts: 5	Thanks for that! I suppose it makes sense that long term antibiotics will eventually make him immune. I will check with the vet and see if there is any other homeopathic remedies they suggest. It is difficult to think that he is unwell as he looks so healthy. The symptoms only recur when he is off antibiotics. The vet mentioned 'an underlying cancer that causes problems but does not develop quickly'. Not sure what to think about that as the biopsy didn't suggest this! We don't want to put him through another operation as we aren't sure what they can do, as his whole bladder is affected by the polypoid cystitis and obviously they can't take it out! I would appreciate it if you could find any further information.

10-19-2014, 11:27 AM	#4
ranger5598 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: pomaria, SC Posts: 49	In my experience, and i deal with infectious disease specialists quite frequently, and this is a complete opinion, but i physically witnessed a man get told his family needed to make arrangements, he had been put on vankamyecin, amikacin (*spelling, both last resort hail mary antibiotics,) in a panic his family ordered Oil of Oregano pills from asia. In 3 days he was completely turned around, while the docs cant prescribe such stuff, the korean infection doc is the one who made mention of it to the family, he had MRSA, multi drug resistant asoudamonous, and 2 seperate kinds of staff infection between his wound and urinary tract. I recommended it to my pop 2 years ago when as a firefighter he came into contact with mrsa and a wound opened on his shoulder, both times full recovery, and once on a horse for infection from rain rot. Im not sure on dogs, but i do know in china etc they use this on animals regularly, and id also take Maxi to a 2nd vet, make sure, i know a vet tried to convince the lady whose horse had rain rot and infection it needed put down, 2 weeks later new hair growth and a happy baby (her 11 yr old daughter, twas her yearling horse!!) and owner. 20 bucks and the horse was saved, the vet charged almost 400, wanted 1850 for putting the animal down and disposal... my daughter is going to be a geneticist and also minor in becoming a vet also. Plus im extremely well educated in the biology field, tho it was many years ago when bio-engineering was a new field, but id definately look up Oil of Oregano, ppl are weird about a spagetti herb being considered medicine, but its still used in many cultures in some cases with more success than modern medicine. Im waiting on a call from an associate who i hope can give me more intel and directions for you to explore. Let me know if i can help.....shawn

10-19-2014, 01:03 PM	#6
barfooj YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: middlesbrough Posts: 5	Thanks Shawn for your recommendation of oil of oregano, will definitely look into this further. Thanks Gemy for the article, I think that we will have him referred to the specialist and then consider what happens next. We were trying to avoid further surgery as it is heartbreaking when you can't tell them what is happening!

10-19-2014, 01:17 PM	#7
barfooj YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: middlesbrough Posts: 5	Thanks Shawn for your recommendation of oil of oregano, will definitely look into this further. Thanks Gemy for the article, I think that we will have him referred to the specialist and then consider what happens next. We were trying to avoid further surgery as it is heartbreaking when you can't tell them what is happening!

10-22-2014, 02:44 AM	#8
ranger5598 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: pomaria, SC Posts: 49	G'Mornin barfooj, i wanted to check on maxi..is he feeling any better??

10-22-2014, 09:26 AM	#10
barfooj YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: middlesbrough Posts: 5	Hi Shawn, Maxi is currently very well and is trying to get me to stroke him as I write this! We have asked the vet to refer us to specialist and see what they say. Oil of Oregano has been ordered. The vet would not recommend it but agreed that he could become immune to antibiotics. Thanks Doodlebug

10-22-2014, 01:44 PM	#12
JuliannaB YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: canada Posts: 782	I don't have any experience in dogs with excessive thirst, but do with my son. He was constantly drinking water; even from puddles outside!! I was horrified and looked for an answer to his problem. To make a long story short, he was diagnosed with NDI, Nephrogenic Diabetes Insipidus, at the age of 2. He dehydrates 4X faster than the average human! It occurs in only 1 in 250,000 human babies! He was such a sight to see whenever we had him in the hospital and doctors would come to see him for real. It is genetic mutation, as a geneticist found out through his dna. Turns out it happened at conception. I am aware that dogs do get this as well. Not sure if this at all helps you with your furrbaby, but thought to post it anyways. There are a lot of people in the USA that have this. There is a website for it - look up NDI and you should find it. Just fyi - it is not life threatening to my son, so his life goes on. He just drinks A LOT of water and should pay close attention to his sodium intake. He is 21 so, as most youngesters, thinks he knows better and doesn't do this. His body has adapted to the large amounts of water he drinks daily and he has a large bladder. If I should have a fire in my house, he will be the first I'll call to help put it out. HAHA!! All joking aside, sending positive thoughts your way in getting to the bottom of what's happening to your Max.