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matese · 08-30-2014, 08:57 AM

We went to the vet yesterday for Cody’s allergies, and a slight cough he’s had on and off for a week or 2. I was concerned the cough may be start of CT. GOOD NEWS not CT. Trying to avoid “back Lash” so I have to be detailed. Cody had been scratching for months, as many of you I assume know I adopted back in Nov. Cody came to me with several medical issues, unbeknown to my vet. (I adopted Cody through my vet) I saw his scratching the day I went to see him, he had just gotten shaved, I blew off the scratching due to the hair cut, thinking shaved hair could be on his skin causing the scratching. Taking Cody home the first day he had diarrhea with blood and mucus, I took him back to vet the next day, The vet started treating him for Colitis as this is what I thought it was and did not bring in a stool sample. I also told my vet about the scratching, She advised as to not stress out this dog that was just rescued she will address each issue separately, starting with the most severe, the diarrhea, with blood & mucus. After several different meds & treatment and tech big time screw up of stool samples I was bringing in, it was discovered by using a scope Cody had a stricture. My vet used the inflated balloon which worked for one day, so surgery had to be performed. This was in April. Cody has had BEAUTIFUL poop lol. I wanted this poor lil boy to re-coop from all the months he suffered before coming to me, and the time he was with me and had this problem. The scratching continued. In May I called my vet to see can we start doing something about this, she said it could be food allergies, feed him limited ingredients food with either Bison or venison. So he has been on that for 3 months, and still scratching. Reason for vet visit yesterday. 7 days before the visit Cody refused the food he LOVED, the dry food, he LOVES the crunchy kibbles, will not eat if moist. He wouldn’t eat for one entire day, I was feeding limited ing. with venison, I thought he was tired of the venison so I went out and got him the Bison, still not eating. When my dogs refuse to eat I will always buy boneless chicken cutlets, boil them up and feed to them, if they refuse to eat chic then I know they are sick. Cody ate the chic. I didn’t offer the kibbles. When I saw he ate the chic I knew he wasn’t sick. The next feeding (he eats twice a day) I mixed the chic with the dry food, he picked out the chic and left the kibbles. Cody is not a picky eater, he will eat whatever you give him, there had to be a reason he wasn’t eating the kibble that he LOVES so much. I added chic broth to the kibble, added more shredded chic, OMG, he was like a vacuum it was gone in a blink of the eye. So for the rest of the week that is how I feed him, kibble soaked in broth mixed with shredded kibble. I thought there must be a tooth / teeth issue that he couldn’t eat hard kibble only moist. I told all this to the vet yesterday. So this is the results of the vet visit. For the itching he was given an injection of Apoquel, this I was told stops itching for 3 days giving enough time for the other meds to kick in.The meds I was given was (the bill reads Dexamethasone), the vile is labeled Apoquel? And a vile of Cetirizine. My vet said he has nasal drip irritating his throat, dry food is scratching his throat that is why he is eating the moist kibble, the Cetirizine is to treat the nasal drip and controls itching. The coughing is from the allergies, to me it looked like she put her arm under his chest, pushed up and at the same time kinda squeezed pinched his throat and he did that cough, she did this 2 or 3 times, then said cough is allergy related. Since the injection and so far meds were given one last night and one this morning no scratching. The Cetirzine is short term. From what I have read on YT environmental allergies meds have to be taken for life. I guess I have to wait until all meds are finished, close to finish or scratching begins to ask my vet he Cody is to stay on Dexamethasone / Apoquel. I checked out the meds on the internet, I need a couple of asprins. So mush information and I learned nothing about the meds other than Dexamethasone has a lot of side effects these are the ones I see affecting Cody. Increase in food and water intake has been drinking a lot… and Increased urination he has been Peeing a lot. Any thoughts on the meds he was given. Sorry for long thread I just wanted to cover all bases.

chestermama · 08-31-2014, 02:52 AM

Im not sure what they are for sure, but chester has had prednisone before and it will make them urinate a lot, it is an antiinflammatory

mindy10 · 08-31-2014, 04:08 AM

I guess every vet is different because your vet pressed the neck and he coughed and said allergies. I have heard that online that it is allergies when vets do that but my vet and other vets on this forum have done the same test and said it is from collapse trachea if they can elicit a cough by touching the neck. So I am confused which one is it? My dog is very itching to and he has problems with acid reflex. If I don't feed him fast enough he will vomit yellow bile. So I sometimes wonder if that is irriating his throat and causing a quick cough.

kreuer · 08-31-2014, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mindy10

I guess every vet is different because your vet pressed the neck and he coughed and said allergies. I have heard that online that it is allergies when vets do that but my vet and other vets on this forum have done the same test and said it is from collapse trachea if they can elicit a cough by touching the neck. So I am confused which one is it? My dog is very itching to and he has problems with acid reflex. If I don't feed him fast enough he will vomit yellow bile. So I sometimes wonder if that is irriating his throat and causing a quick cough.

I think it depends on how the dog coughs, because I know rubbing the throat can also get a dog with KC to cough. I found a video of a vet showing what coughing from allergies sounds like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_2qA_pnLEM

mindy10 · 08-31-2014, 04:58 AM

LOl we are so much alike I found that video too!! That is how Sammie coughed when the vet pushed his neck and she still said CT

kreuer · 08-31-2014, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mindy10

LOl we are so much alike I found that video too!! That is how Sammie coughed when the vet pushed his neck and she still said CT

lol, yes we are. When Lexi coughs her mouth looks closed, but I can still feel air coming out of her mouth, not open like the dog in the video. I always heard you don't see allergies in young puppies. Lexi itches some too, but the vet didn't seem to think it could be allergies since she is so young.

mindy10 · 08-31-2014, 07:31 AM

I have had some vets tell me yes to young for allergies and other no not to young. That is why I like Yorkie Talk because I thinks that is how you can get the best information for experience of other dogs. I wish more people that read the posts would comment. You get 89 people look at it but only 3 comment. I think its helpful if people comment so we can all learn

Buster Brown · 09-06-2014, 05:38 PM

I posted this in another thread but I wanted to add it to yours as well as Buster is going through similar symptoms. We just got back from the Vets today. Buster started backing away from his wet food and treats and although he would eat his kibble he was not enthusiastic. That for Buster is a big deal, he loves food. He also has been biting his rear, underarms, and paws, rubbing his face and dragging his stomach. I also noticed he had a stuffy nose and more occurences of reverse sneezing and a slight darkening to his belly skin. The Vet diagnosed him with flea dermatitis and allergies. He also has swollen lymph glands. She said he was backing away from his food because he was nauseous and gave him a shot of Convenia and Cerenia pills for the nasea. She has prescribed Prednisone for the swollen lymph glands. She said the swelling was causing the the stuffy nose and the increase in reverse sneezing. I am doing the Comprehensive Plus Allergy panel (110 allergies) and a special Diet food allergy panel with 11 ingredients found in premium and holistic diets. That way I will know what is causing him issues rather than trying to figure it out by diet because he just has been miserable. I have reservations about the flea & heartworm treatment she recommended and that I bought as it is Triflexis and from what I am reading I don't think that is what I want to use. I do have to find something as he is really allergic to flea bites and I think I might be washing off the Frontline Plus I was using. I too worried that it was CT or aspiration pneumonia but it seems to be more due to allergies.

matese · 09-06-2014, 06:35 PM

Thank you Carolyn, that was very considerate of you to add your thread to mine, it's just another thing I will look for. Cody had nasal drip that was irritating his throat causing him pain when he ate his dry kibble. He was given Apoquel for the nasal drip, which has helped as he's been eating his kibble for appox 6 days, but still on that med. I know nothing about human allergies let alone dog's. With all the dogs I have had none of them ever had allergies. I have much to learn. Thank you again.

Buster Brown · 09-06-2014, 08:47 PM

Joan it looks like you and I are on a similar learning curve. I hope we both find solutions for our poor dogs. Best wishes.

matese · 09-07-2014, 04:39 AM

I'll tell you this much, it's a good thing I had gery hair when I got lil boy, with all that I have been through with this lil guy, if it wasn't grey before it would be now from all this worrying lol. Everything Cody has, that is how he came to me. Poor lil thing was sick a long time with prev. owner, so this is not going to be a quick fix. Reverse sneezing, 7 dogs over the past 40 years, I never heard of reverse sneezing, I don't even know what that sounds like lol, Stumbling upon YT was the best thing, I have learned so many things that can befall these small breed babies, so my eyes and ears are in tuned. All my past dogs never had what Cody has had or is going through now. Yes it seems you and I are on the same learning curve, that I am hoping will end soon. Again Carolyn, thank you.

chachi · 09-07-2014, 05:27 AM

All meds can have side effects. You have to weigh out are they side effects I can live with or not to see if you want to give that med

ladyjane · 09-07-2014, 06:29 AM

As I have said many times, CT is not as common as many people on this forum seem to think lately.

If any of you ever have a dog with CT you will more than likely have no doubt what you are dealing with. I only had one pup with a severe collapse that did not exhibit classic symptoms and I have had a few who did. I pray you never have a pup with it. It is a very sad condition in most cases.

If a dog is coughing, he/she needs to do to the vet. As for how vets diagnose, it simply is not as simple as it sounds; and, yes, if a vet manipulates the trachea they can often get that telling response that it is CT/ but to be perfectly frank it takes a history and multiple exams for a conclusive diagnosis. Vets do it just as *one* diagnostic tool.

I have tried over and over lately to put people's fears to rest on this forum; and, hopefully some are helped by it. It bothers me immensely that so many people are thinking their dogs have this because, as I said before, it simply is not that common; and I go by that old saying "be careful what you ask for". We often have a tendency to think the worst; and it is a vet's job to look at all possibilities, starting with the most obvious which, in a cough, would not be CT.

This thread title really concerned me when I saw it....it looked like Cody had been diagnosed with CT. Thankfully that is not so!

I did not read the entire post but read enough to see that it is not CT. Yay!

matese · 09-07-2014, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladyjane

As I have said many times, CT is not as common as many people on this forum seem to think lately.

If any of you ever have a dog with CT you will more than likely have no doubt what you are dealing with. I only had one pup with a severe collapse that did not exhibit classic symptoms and I have had a few who did. I pray you never have a pup with it. It is a very sad condition in most cases.

If a dog is coughing, he/she needs to do to the vet. As for how vets diagnose, it simply is not as simple as it sounds; and, yes, if a vet manipulates the trachea they can often get that telling response that it is CT/ but to be perfectly frank it takes a history and multiple exams for a conclusive diagnosis. Vets do it just as *one* diagnostic tool.

I have tried over and over lately to put people's fears to rest on this forum; and, hopefully some are helped by it. It bothers me immensely that so many people are thinking their dogs have this because, as I said before, it simply is not that common; and I go by that old saying "be careful what you ask for". We often have a tendency to think the worst; and it is a vet's job to look at all possibilities, starting with the most obvious which, in a cough, would not be CT.

This thread title really concerned me when I saw it....it looked like Cody had been diagnosed with CT. Thankfully that is not so!

I did not read the entire post but read enough to see that it is not CT. Yay!

Yay is right, I thank you again for your input,your first post was very informative for ME, thanks to you I know what type of testing would need to be done to get a positive diagnostic on CT. I hope anyone that would read my thread gets out of your input that I did. I would like to again thank you for this re-enforcement.

mindy10 · 09-07-2014, 06:46 AM

Ladyjane I did have a dog with CT. At the begnining. 1 year old she would sometimes do the quick fast cough after drinking and sometimes well out running she would do it too. For years she only would do that quick fast cough on and off. Then at 8 she started to faint. The vets told me seizures but I beleive it was from CT becasue she would have problems breathing after the fainting. Then at 12 the honking cough they did a xray and said englarged heart pressing on the trachea. So thats why I feel my puppy might have early signs of CT becasue he does the exact same thing my other dog did. I think a lot more dogs have it then people thing. A lot of dogs cough and owners just ignore it thinking it just is allergies or normal but everyone that I talk to that has a dog that coughs early on ends up having CT later in life. What I mean by that is they have significant signs. Honking cough. problems breathing. Not all dogs will die from CT complications. Some dogs live forever with it and die of something different.

08-30-2014, 08:57 AM	#1
matese Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: E.Stroudsburg, Pa. Posts: 67,956	Cody and CT We went to the vet yesterday for Cody’s allergies, and a slight cough he’s had on and off for a week or 2. I was concerned the cough may be start of CT. GOOD NEWS not CT. Trying to avoid “back Lash” so I have to be detailed. Cody had been scratching for months, as many of you I assume know I adopted back in Nov. Cody came to me with several medical issues, unbeknown to my vet. (I adopted Cody through my vet) I saw his scratching the day I went to see him, he had just gotten shaved, I blew off the scratching due to the hair cut, thinking shaved hair could be on his skin causing the scratching. Taking Cody home the first day he had diarrhea with blood and mucus, I took him back to vet the next day, The vet started treating him for Colitis as this is what I thought it was and did not bring in a stool sample. I also told my vet about the scratching, She advised as to not stress out this dog that was just rescued she will address each issue separately, starting with the most severe, the diarrhea, with blood & mucus. After several different meds & treatment and tech big time screw up of stool samples I was bringing in, it was discovered by using a scope Cody had a stricture. My vet used the inflated balloon which worked for one day, so surgery had to be performed. This was in April. Cody has had BEAUTIFUL poop lol. I wanted this poor lil boy to re-coop from all the months he suffered before coming to me, and the time he was with me and had this problem. The scratching continued. In May I called my vet to see can we start doing something about this, she said it could be food allergies, feed him limited ingredients food with either Bison or venison. So he has been on that for 3 months, and still scratching. Reason for vet visit yesterday. 7 days before the visit Cody refused the food he LOVED, the dry food, he LOVES the crunchy kibbles, will not eat if moist. He wouldn’t eat for one entire day, I was feeding limited ing. with venison, I thought he was tired of the venison so I went out and got him the Bison, still not eating. When my dogs refuse to eat I will always buy boneless chicken cutlets, boil them up and feed to them, if they refuse to eat chic then I know they are sick. Cody ate the chic. I didn’t offer the kibbles. When I saw he ate the chic I knew he wasn’t sick. The next feeding (he eats twice a day) I mixed the chic with the dry food, he picked out the chic and left the kibbles. Cody is not a picky eater, he will eat whatever you give him, there had to be a reason he wasn’t eating the kibble that he LOVES so much. I added chic broth to the kibble, added more shredded chic, OMG, he was like a vacuum it was gone in a blink of the eye. So for the rest of the week that is how I feed him, kibble soaked in broth mixed with shredded kibble. I thought there must be a tooth / teeth issue that he couldn’t eat hard kibble only moist. I told all this to the vet yesterday. So this is the results of the vet visit. For the itching he was given an injection of Apoquel, this I was told stops itching for 3 days giving enough time for the other meds to kick in.The meds I was given was (the bill reads Dexamethasone), the vile is labeled Apoquel? And a vile of Cetirizine. My vet said he has nasal drip irritating his throat, dry food is scratching his throat that is why he is eating the moist kibble, the Cetirizine is to treat the nasal drip and controls itching. The coughing is from the allergies, to me it looked like she put her arm under his chest, pushed up and at the same time kinda squeezed pinched his throat and he did that cough, she did this 2 or 3 times, then said cough is allergy related. Since the injection and so far meds were given one last night and one this morning no scratching. The Cetirzine is short term. From what I have read on YT environmental allergies meds have to be taken for life. I guess I have to wait until all meds are finished, close to finish or scratching begins to ask my vet he Cody is to stay on Dexamethasone / Apoquel. I checked out the meds on the internet, I need a couple of asprins. So mush information and I learned nothing about the meds other than Dexamethasone has a lot of side effects these are the ones I see affecting Cody. Increase in food and water intake has been drinking a lot… and Increased urination he has been Peeing a lot. Any thoughts on the meds he was given. Sorry for long thread I just wanted to cover all bases. __________________ Joan, mom to Cody RIP Matese Schnae Kajon Kia forever in my A House Is Not A Home Without A Dog

09-06-2014, 05:38 PM	#8
Buster Brown Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Toluca Lake, CA Posts: 5,491	I posted this in another thread but I wanted to add it to yours as well as Buster is going through similar symptoms. We just got back from the Vets today. Buster started backing away from his wet food and treats and although he would eat his kibble he was not enthusiastic. That for Buster is a big deal, he loves food. He also has been biting his rear, underarms, and paws, rubbing his face and dragging his stomach. I also noticed he had a stuffy nose and more occurences of reverse sneezing and a slight darkening to his belly skin. The Vet diagnosed him with flea dermatitis and allergies. He also has swollen lymph glands. She said he was backing away from his food because he was nauseous and gave him a shot of Convenia and Cerenia pills for the nasea. She has prescribed Prednisone for the swollen lymph glands. She said the swelling was causing the the stuffy nose and the increase in reverse sneezing. I am doing the Comprehensive Plus Allergy panel (110 allergies) and a special Diet food allergy panel with 11 ingredients found in premium and holistic diets. That way I will know what is causing him issues rather than trying to figure it out by diet because he just has been miserable. I have reservations about the flea & heartworm treatment she recommended and that I bought as it is Triflexis and from what I am reading I don't think that is what I want to use. I do have to find something as he is really allergic to flea bites and I think I might be washing off the Frontline Plus I was using. I too worried that it was CT or aspiration pneumonia but it seems to be more due to allergies. __________________ CarolynBuster Brown "The happiest people don't have the best of everything, they just make the best of everything."

09-06-2014, 06:35 PM	#9
matese Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: E.Stroudsburg, Pa. Posts: 67,956	Thank you Carolyn, that was very considerate of you to add your thread to mine, it's just another thing I will look for. Cody had nasal drip that was irritating his throat causing him pain when he ate his dry kibble. He was given Apoquel for the nasal drip, which has helped as he's been eating his kibble for appox 6 days, but still on that med. I know nothing about human allergies let alone dog's. With all the dogs I have had none of them ever had allergies. I have much to learn. Thank you again. __________________ Joan, mom to Cody RIP Matese Schnae Kajon Kia forever in my A House Is Not A Home Without A Dog

09-06-2014, 08:47 PM	#10
Buster Brown Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Toluca Lake, CA Posts: 5,491	Joan it looks like you and I are on a similar learning curve. I hope we both find solutions for our poor dogs. Best wishes. __________________ CarolynBuster Brown "The happiest people don't have the best of everything, they just make the best of everything."

09-07-2014, 04:39 AM	#11
matese Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: E.Stroudsburg, Pa. Posts: 67,956	I'll tell you this much, it's a good thing I had gery hair when I got lil boy, with all that I have been through with this lil guy, if it wasn't grey before it would be now from all this worrying lol. Everything Cody has, that is how he came to me. Poor lil thing was sick a long time with prev. owner, so this is not going to be a quick fix. Reverse sneezing, 7 dogs over the past 40 years, I never heard of reverse sneezing, I don't even know what that sounds like lol, Stumbling upon YT was the best thing, I have learned so many things that can befall these small breed babies, so my eyes and ears are in tuned. All my past dogs never had what Cody has had or is going through now. Yes it seems you and I are on the same learning curve, that I am hoping will end soon. Again Carolyn, thank you. __________________ Joan, mom to Cody RIP Matese Schnae Kajon Kia forever in my A House Is Not A Home Without A Dog

08-31-2014, 02:52 AM	#2
chestermama YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: washington Posts: 3,383 Blog Entries: 1	Im not sure what they are for sure, but chester has had prednisone before and it will make them urinate a lot, it is an antiinflammatory

08-31-2014, 04:08 AM	#3
mindy10 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 581 Blog Entries: 1	I guess every vet is different because your vet pressed the neck and he coughed and said allergies. I have heard that online that it is allergies when vets do that but my vet and other vets on this forum have done the same test and said it is from collapse trachea if they can elicit a cough by touching the neck. So I am confused which one is it? My dog is very itching to and he has problems with acid reflex. If I don't feed him fast enough he will vomit yellow bile. So I sometimes wonder if that is irriating his throat and causing a quick cough.

08-31-2014, 04:58 AM	#5
mindy10 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 581 Blog Entries: 1	LOl we are so much alike I found that video too!! That is how Sammie coughed when the vet pushed his neck and she still said CT

08-31-2014, 07:31 AM	#7
mindy10 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 581 Blog Entries: 1	I have had some vets tell me yes to young for allergies and other no not to young. That is why I like Yorkie Talk because I thinks that is how you can get the best information for experience of other dogs. I wish more people that read the posts would comment. You get 89 people look at it but only 3 comment. I think its helpful if people comment so we can all learn

09-07-2014, 05:27 AM	#12
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	All meds can have side effects. You have to weigh out are they side effects I can live with or not to see if you want to give that med __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

09-07-2014, 06:29 AM	#13
ladyjane Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 27,451	As I have said many times, CT is not as common as many people on this forum seem to think lately. If any of you ever have a dog with CT you will more than likely have no doubt what you are dealing with. I only had one pup with a severe collapse that did not exhibit classic symptoms and I have had a few who did. I pray you never have a pup with it. It is a very sad condition in most cases. If a dog is coughing, he/she needs to do to the vet. As for how vets diagnose, it simply is not as simple as it sounds; and, yes, if a vet manipulates the trachea they can often get that telling response that it is CT/ but to be perfectly frank it takes a history and multiple exams for a conclusive diagnosis. Vets do it just as one diagnostic tool. I have tried over and over lately to put people's fears to rest on this forum; and, hopefully some are helped by it. It bothers me immensely that so many people are thinking their dogs have this because, as I said before, it simply is not that common; and I go by that old saying "be careful what you ask for". We often have a tendency to think the worst; and it is a vet's job to look at all possibilities, starting with the most obvious which, in a cough, would not be CT. This thread title really concerned me when I saw it....it looked like Cody had been diagnosed with CT. Thankfully that is not so! I did not read the entire post but read enough to see that it is not CT. Yay! __________________ CLOUD NINE BEDS--YORKIE HAVEN RESCUE MY ETSY SHOP

09-07-2014, 06:46 AM	#15
mindy10 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 581 Blog Entries: 1	Ladyjane I did have a dog with CT. At the begnining. 1 year old she would sometimes do the quick fast cough after drinking and sometimes well out running she would do it too. For years she only would do that quick fast cough on and off. Then at 8 she started to faint. The vets told me seizures but I beleive it was from CT becasue she would have problems breathing after the fainting. Then at 12 the honking cough they did a xray and said englarged heart pressing on the trachea. So thats why I feel my puppy might have early signs of CT becasue he does the exact same thing my other dog did. I think a lot more dogs have it then people thing. A lot of dogs cough and owners just ignore it thinking it just is allergies or normal but everyone that I talk to that has a dog that coughs early on ends up having CT later in life. What I mean by that is they have significant signs. Honking cough. problems breathing. Not all dogs will die from CT complications. Some dogs live forever with it and die of something different.